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Gun Control n Stuff - Only 2 Options Pick Carefully

If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
643
50%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
210
16%
I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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33%
 
Total votes : 1277

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Postby Saiwania » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:09 am

Bump stocks are banned now, we've gotten rid of it. People have 90 days from December 18th, 2018 to get rid of theirs, unless a court grants an injunction and this new legal change is stayed until a final ruling upholding it or declaring this null and void is made. The legislature of the US hasn't acted, this was the Trump administration green lighting a rule change to existing law by ATF.

It is now interpreted that bump stocks effectively allow for the conversion of a semiautomatic into a machinegun via allowing a user to artificially increase their rate of fire with the recoil action of the firearm as opposed to an actual manual squeezing of the trigger.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:55 am

Alorgaze wrote:Give a gun to every single citizen.

Sounds socialist but I'm listening.
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:52 am

Saiwania wrote:Bump stocks are banned now, we've gotten rid of it. People have 90 days from December 18th, 2018 to get rid of theirs, unless a court grants an injunction and this new legal change is stayed until a final ruling upholding it or declaring this null and void is made. The legislature of the US hasn't acted, this was the Trump administration green lighting a rule change to existing law by ATF.

It is now interpreted that bump stocks effectively allow for the conversion of a semiautomatic into a machinegun via allowing a user to artificially increase their rate of fire with the recoil action of the firearm as opposed to an actual manual squeezing of the trigger.

I say we strip the president of executive powers.
Anyway, there’s going to be a fight. And last I checked the ban doesn’t touch binary triggers or the sort.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:02 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Bump stocks are banned now, we've gotten rid of it. People have 90 days from December 18th, 2018 to get rid of theirs, unless a court grants an injunction and this new legal change is stayed until a final ruling upholding it or declaring this null and void is made. The legislature of the US hasn't acted, this was the Trump administration green lighting a rule change to existing law by ATF.

It is now interpreted that bump stocks effectively allow for the conversion of a semiautomatic into a machinegun via allowing a user to artificially increase their rate of fire with the recoil action of the firearm as opposed to an actual manual squeezing of the trigger.

I say we strip the president of executive powers.
Anyway, there’s going to be a fight. And last I checked the ban doesn’t touch binary triggers or the sort.

but in reality its Congress that passed the Bump stock ban the president only signed the bill. I say another revolution is in order.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:06 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I say we strip the president of executive powers.
Anyway, there’s going to be a fight. And last I checked the ban doesn’t touch binary triggers or the sort.

but in reality its Congress that passed the Bump stock ban the president only signed the bill. I say another revolution is in order.

There was no bill. It was an executive order.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:40 pm

Saiwania wrote:Bump stocks are banned now, we've gotten rid of it. People have 90 days from December 18th, 2018 to get rid of theirs, unless a court grants an injunction and this new legal change is stayed until a final ruling upholding it or declaring this null and void is made. The legislature of the US hasn't acted, this was the Trump administration green lighting a rule change to existing law by ATF.

It is now interpreted that bump stocks effectively allow for the conversion of a semiautomatic into a machinegun via allowing a user to artificially increase their rate of fire with the recoil action of the firearm as opposed to an actual manual squeezing of the trigger.


I doubt anyone really cares TBH
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:50 pm

Saiwania wrote:Bump stocks are banned now, we've gotten rid of it. People have 90 days from December 18th, 2018 to get rid of theirs, unless a court grants an injunction and this new legal change is stayed until a final ruling upholding it or declaring this null and void is made. The legislature of the US hasn't acted, this was the Trump administration green lighting a rule change to existing law by ATF.

It is now interpreted that bump stocks effectively allow for the conversion of a semiautomatic into a machinegun via allowing a user to artificially increase their rate of fire with the recoil action of the firearm as opposed to an actual manual squeezing of the trigger.


While I disagree with the re-classification, since I don't own a bump stock, it doesn't affect me. I doubt the issue will be settled for years though, as the lawsuits will have to grind on through the various courts. The lawyers will get rich, though.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:33 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Bump stocks are banned now, we've gotten rid of it. People have 90 days from December 18th, 2018 to get rid of theirs, unless a court grants an injunction and this new legal change is stayed until a final ruling upholding it or declaring this null and void is made. The legislature of the US hasn't acted, this was the Trump administration green lighting a rule change to existing law by ATF.

It is now interpreted that bump stocks effectively allow for the conversion of a semiautomatic into a machinegun via allowing a user to artificially increase their rate of fire with the recoil action of the firearm as opposed to an actual manual squeezing of the trigger.


While I disagree with the re-classification, since I don't own a bump stock, it doesn't affect me. I doubt the issue will be settled for years though, as the lawsuits will have to grind on through the various courts. The lawyers will get rich, though.

That's probably all that will come from this.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:48 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
While I disagree with the re-classification, since I don't own a bump stock, it doesn't affect me. I doubt the issue will be settled for years though, as the lawsuits will have to grind on through the various courts. The lawyers will get rich, though.

That's probably all that will come from this.

I wont be if Republicans lose in 2020. I also feel in the short term several people/organizations such as the NRA, GOA, and other 2nd amendment groups will file lawsuits to either hold the bill at bay or to overturn it on appeal.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:51 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:That's probably all that will come from this.

I wont be if Republicans lose in 2020. I also feel in the short term several people/organizations such as the NRA, GOA, and other 2nd amendment groups will file lawsuits to either hold the bill at bay or to overturn it on appeal.

I think the GOA already filed one...
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:00 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:I wont be if Republicans lose in 2020. I also feel in the short term several people/organizations such as the NRA, GOA, and other 2nd amendment groups will file lawsuits to either hold the bill at bay or to overturn it on appeal.

I think the GOA already filed one...


They have.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:34 pm

Daily reminder that magazine laws are dumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S7tFrQI2Bw
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:18 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:Daily reminder that magazine laws are dumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S7tFrQI2Bw


Daily reminder that the people making these laws don't understand their concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxtu228bYFw

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:29 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:Daily reminder that magazine laws are dumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S7tFrQI2Bw


Daily reminder that the people making these laws don't understand their concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxtu228bYFw


Never gets old.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:36 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:Daily reminder that magazine laws are dumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S7tFrQI2Bw


Daily reminder that the people making these laws don't understand their concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxtu228bYFw

BRB, gonna go curl up in the fetal position and sob for a bit...
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Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:24 pm


LOL. 10 instances of complete idiocy and all laughable moments because they are all fucking stupid beyond reproach, but yet scary enough that these waste of O2 have the power to inflict their unconstitutional vacuousness upon the citizens all in the name of safety that doesn't make anything safe.
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Let's be honest here, nobody wins so long as A: These people are in power and B: People are stupid enough to believe them.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:15 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:

LOL. 10 instances of complete idiocy and all laughable moments because they are all fucking stupid beyond reproach, but yet scary enough that these waste of O2 have the power to inflict their unconstitutional vacuousness upon the citizens all in the name of safety that doesn't make anything safe.


That or they’re just relying on the American population to be stupid.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Telconi » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:48 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:LOL. 10 instances of complete idiocy and all laughable moments because they are all fucking stupid beyond reproach, but yet scary enough that these waste of O2 have the power to inflict their unconstitutional vacuousness upon the citizens all in the name of safety that doesn't make anything safe.


That or they’re just relying on the American population to be stupid.


That's a pretty safe bet.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/commission-i ... ffs-office



They could have just given me $2 million and I'd have saved them some time.
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Tarsonis wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/us/commission-investigating-parkland-school-shooting-issues-initial-report-slams-administrators-sheriffs-office



They could have just given me $2 million and I'd have saved them some time.

Nothing like wasting taxpayer's 2 million dollars on a boondoggle just to spend on the word, "duh"
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:17 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/us/commission-investigating-parkland-school-shooting-issues-initial-report-slams-administrators-sheriffs-office



They could have just given me $2 million and I'd have saved them some time.

Nothing like wasting taxpayer's 2 million dollars on a boondoggle just to spend on the word, "duh"

but how else would they waste tax payer money? its not like we need any of it after all.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:04 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:


Let's be honest here, nobody wins so long as A: These people are in power and B: People are stupid enough to believe them.


I meant that I win the "idiot politician" quote contest.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:26 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Nothing like wasting taxpayer's 2 million dollars on a boondoggle just to spend on the word, "duh"

but how else would they waste tax payer money? its not like we need any of it after all.

Your tax dolluhs at werk

Doors left unlocked and unattended (zero perimeter security)
Classroom doors that cannot be locked as per lockdown proceedures
Campus security that can see and idntify a rifle-bag carried onto the premises but fail to initiate active shooter protocols until after the majority of shooting is over
No Active Shooter Protocols, at a public school, in 2018. Columbine was a good 21 years ago.

Several key individuals responsible for the safety of the students lied through their teeth after the fact to make themselves sound more heroic than survaillence footage indicated.
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