Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Grinning Dragon]

When I participate in buy backs, I'm one of the few who offer cash for a functional firearm and doing my part of saving those unwanted soon to be orphaned.

I've got the money now to troll a buyback and offer more than the grabbers, but I've heard that the police departments in CT that run the buybacks REALLY don't like the competition, and tend to run those competitors off.

Of course, they are afraid you are gonna get a working firearm, the rest that is left over is mostly junk or 2x4s with pipe strapped to it in some sort of slam gun.
Good thing we don't get harassed, that and the here and there off duty police officers doing the same thing and trying to get in on some good deals.

[The Two Jerseys]

So that gun buyback going on in Baltimore has a two "high capacity" mag limit per person...

Way to send mixed messages, guys!

How do these gun buybacks work, anyway? Do they give reasonable compensation?

To give you an idea, Baltimore is offering $500 for a fully automatic weapon.

The low end of the market is probably 10 times that amount.

I doubt they do tbh, it's showboating for the gun grabbers, so that Bumfuckistan Police Department can go on the news and say "There are now x number of babay killing salt weapons off the street because of our record buyback!"

I've often been curious to know how many of the functional firearms that were turned over, ended up in a few officers private collection.

In high school I went on a field trip to the State Police lab; I can basically guarantee that the ballistics techs are going to save the good stuff for their reference collection.

[Pax Nerdvana]

How do these gun buybacks work, anyway? Do they give reasonable compensation?

To give you an idea, Baltimore is offering $500 for a fully automatic weapon.

The low end of the market is probably 10 times that amount.

I've often been curious to know how many of the functional firearms that were turned over, ended up in a few officers private collection.

In high school I went on a field trip to the State Police lab; I can basically guarantee that the ballistics techs are going to save the good stuff for their reference collection.

At least some are getting saved. I hate people who destroy antiques.

[Licana]

memestocks are now machine guns

[Washington Resistance Army]

memestocks are now machine guns

GOA and SAF are already working on getting it struck down and they're going to because this blatantly flies in the face of the NFA.

[Grinning Dragon]

memestocks are now machine guns

Federal judge has declared NY's ban on nunchucks unconstitutional and violates the 2nd Amendment.
Which is kinda ironic since judges seem to uphold bans on mag limits and or cosmetic features on rifles/shotguns/pistols in NY, I agree with the nunchuck ruling, but find there is a double standard here in regards to arms.

[Puldania]

People like to parrot this talking point because it sounds compassionate and logical, but it's neither. It demonises and stigmatises those who are mentally ill and it is an insignificant factor in gun homicides.

People in general have a very poor understanding of the motivations of murderers.

The majority of homicides are impulsive, drunken endeavours motivated by loss of face, hatred, spite, or jealousy. They are also usually personal.

More often than not they aren't even committed by criminals, most murderers in the US have no previous felony convictions.

That is not fully correct. While ~40% of violent criminals in the US have a previous felony conviction, 57% have a prior felony arrest, 56% have a prior conviction, and 67% of murderers have an arrest record. It should also be noted that homicides are highly grouped, happening in a small number of counties with a number of other social issues.

I would certainly agree that homicides are generally personal, and happen in relatively short time frames and have little to do with mental health.

People seem to be under the impression that people without mental health issues don't benefit from having a regular therapist/counselor.

[Spirit of Hope]

memestocks are now machine guns

Federal judge has declared NY's ban on nunchucks unconstitutional and violates the 2nd Amendment.
Which is kinda ironic since judges seem to uphold bans on mag limits and or cosmetic features on rifles/shotguns/pistols in NY, I agree with the nunchuck ruling, but find there is a double standard here in regards to arms.

Just take the win and hope Justice Kavanaugh helps with the supreme court.

That is not fully correct. While ~40% of violent criminals in the US have a previous felony conviction, 57% have a prior felony arrest, 56% have a prior conviction, and 67% of murderers have an arrest record. It should also be noted that homicides are highly grouped, happening in a small number of counties with a number of other social issues.

I would certainly agree that homicides are generally personal, and happen in relatively short time frames and have little to do with mental health.

People seem to be under the impression that people without mental health issues don't benefit from having a regular therapist/counselor.

Certinly people without menatl illnesses can benefit from talking/seeing a therapist. However this was more in the vein that people with mental illnesses dont cause a sognificant portion of homicides. Homicides are pretty heavily tied to local social issues, primarily income inequality and associated issues. Prior criminal history is also a pretty strong indicator of who may commit a homicide.

[Chernoslavia]

That is not fully correct. While ~40% of violent criminals in the US have a previous felony conviction, 57% have a prior felony arrest, 56% have a prior conviction, and 67% of murderers have an arrest record. It should also be noted that homicides are highly grouped, happening in a small number of counties with a number of other social issues.

I would certainly agree that homicides are generally personal, and happen in relatively short time frames and have little to do with mental health.

People seem to be under the impression that people without mental health issues don't benefit from having a regular therapist/counselor.

Don't they diagnose you with something no matter what you tell them anyway?

[The Two Jerseys]

People seem to be under the impression that people without mental health issues don't benefit from having a regular therapist/counselor.

Don't they diagnose you with something no matter what you tell them anyway?

"I'm not saying it's daddy issues, but it's daddy issues."

[Grinning Dragon]

ATF Raids Office Depot
In other news ERPO/Red Flag laws are bullshit and unconstitutional and need to be struck down.
A relative, not involved in the potential shooting in any way, had their guns confiscated

[The Two Jerseys]

ATF Raids Office Depot
In other news ERPO/Red Flag laws are bullshit and unconstitutional and need to be struck down.
A relative, not involved in the potential shooting in any way, had their guns confiscated

Because letting the guy keep his guns and simply locking these kids up instead would just make too much goddamn sense...

[Gig em Aggies]

ATF Raids Office Depot
In other news ERPO/Red Flag laws are bullshit and unconstitutional and need to be struck down.
A relative, not involved in the potential shooting in any way, had their guns confiscated

Well I guess everyone of the roguhly 3.4 million and several million people who play paintball and airsoft are now fugitives. But I shouldn't talk I got a stash at home myself which has a 60mm mortar w/ 2 shells, a 6 shooter grenade launcher, M14, custom M4, Ak-47, Thompson Sub Machine gun, MP7, G6c, P90, XM8, etc I'm strapped so to say.

[Grinning Dragon]

ATF Raids Office Depot
In other news ERPO/Red Flag laws are bullshit and unconstitutional and need to be struck down.
A relative, not involved in the potential shooting in any way, had their guns confiscated

Because letting the guy keep his guns and simply locking these kids up instead would just make too much goddamn sense...

I agree. Common sense isn't a feature in local, state or federal govt. Nothing like being punished for the actions of others.

[Hammer Britannia]

ATF Raids Office Depot
In other news ERPO/Red Flag laws are bullshit and unconstitutional and need to be struck down.
A relative, not involved in the potential shooting in any way, had their guns confiscated

Because letting the guy keep his guns and simply locking these kids up instead would just make too much goddamn sense...

(One of) my great-great-great grandfather murdered a Turk out of nationalism using a gun.

Therefore, my guns should be taken away

[Gig em Aggies]

Because letting the guy keep his guns and simply locking these kids up instead would just make too much goddamn sense...

(One of) my great-great-great grandfather murdered a Turk out of nationalism using a gun.

Therefore, my guns should be taken away

I got a proposal for politicians who want to do away with the 2nd amendment. How about if you ban guns for civilians you also ban guns for law enforcement the military and the security details that surround these politicians almost 24/7 then they'll see how misguided they were in depriving the citizenry of their legal rights to protection.

[Telconi]

(One of) my great-great-great grandfather murdered a Turk out of nationalism using a gun.

Therefore, my guns should be taken away

I got a proposal for politicians who want to do away with the 2nd amendment. How about if you ban guns for civilians you also ban guns for law enforcement the military and the security details that surround these politicians almost 24/7 then they'll see how misguided they were in depriving the citizenry of their legal rights to protection.

But they're special.

[Gig em Aggies]

I got a proposal for politicians who want to do away with the 2nd amendment. How about if you ban guns for civilians you also ban guns for law enforcement the military and the security details that surround these politicians almost 24/7 then they'll see how misguided they were in depriving the citizenry of their legal rights to protection.

But they're special.

there about as special as a Harry and Loyd road trip to Colorado

[Grinning Dragon]

"...what the high-speed bullets of such ARs do to bone or organs of people when they are struck" This is just one reason right here on why doctors need to just shut the fuck up and do their job of patching people up and send them home, I'd say a majority of doctors are vastly ignorant on firearms, let alone ballistics, why would I or anyone else listen to such ignorance coming from someone who is supposedly educated and hasn't done one lick of educating themselves on firearms/ammo/laws, etc.?
Does an AR magically transform the ballistics/lethality of say a .223 or 5.56x45 just because it was fired from an AR platform rifle vs. one fired from say a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch rifle? Honestly, inquiring minds want to know. The rest of the good doc's letter is so full of ignorance, I think it gave me brain cancer and he should feel bad.

[Gig em Aggies]

"...what the high-speed bullets of such ARs do to bone or organs of people when they are struck" This is just one reason right here on why doctors need to just shut the fuck up and do their job of patching people up and send them home, I'd say a majority of doctors are vastly ignorant on firearms, let alone ballistics, why would I or anyone else listen to such ignorance coming from someone who is supposedly educated and hasn't done one lick of educating themselves on firearms/ammo/laws, etc.?
Does an AR magically transform the ballistics/lethality of say a .223 or 5.56x45 just because it was fired from an AR platform rifle vs. one fired from say a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch rifle? Honestly, inquiring minds want to know. The rest of the good doc's letter is so full of ignorance, I think it gave me brain cancer and he should feel bad.

I wonder if this good doc knows that muskets do some wicked things to the human body so I suggest he look it up plus what in his right mind led him to think the Founding fathers only meant people could have muskets also just because he thinks AR's are not a sporting rifle doesn't magically make them not sporting rifles.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

"...what the high-speed bullets of such ARs do to bone or organs of people when they are struck" This is just one reason right here on why doctors need to just shut the fuck up and do their job of patching people up and send them home, I'd say a majority of doctors are vastly ignorant on firearms, let alone ballistics, why would I or anyone else listen to such ignorance coming from someone who is supposedly educated and hasn't done one lick of educating themselves on firearms/ammo/laws, etc.?
Does an AR magically transform the ballistics/lethality of say a .223 or 5.56x45 just because it was fired from an AR platform rifle vs. one fired from say a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch rifle? Honestly, inquiring minds want to know. The rest of the good doc's letter is so full of ignorance, I think it gave me brain cancer and he should feel bad.

I wonder if this good doc knows that muskets do some wicked things to the human body so I suggest he look it up plus what in his right mind led him to think the Founding fathers only meant people could have muskets also just because he thinks AR's are not a sporting rifle doesn't magically make them not sporting rifles.

I'm going to give benefit of doubt that he's regurgitating "Bullet wounds: Rifles vs Pistols" and someone forgot that there are other rifles besides ARs in the world.

Just gonna sit over here and hope they don't look too closely at what 20 gauge (.64 caliber) 1 ounce fullbore slugs do when railroaded into a target at rifle-velocites at a distance of 7 yards.
[think 12 gauge magnum sabot slug, minus the sabot]

[Grinning Dragon]

"...what the high-speed bullets of such ARs do to bone or organs of people when they are struck" This is just one reason right here on why doctors need to just shut the fuck up and do their job of patching people up and send them home, I'd say a majority of doctors are vastly ignorant on firearms, let alone ballistics, why would I or anyone else listen to such ignorance coming from someone who is supposedly educated and hasn't done one lick of educating themselves on firearms/ammo/laws, etc.?
Does an AR magically transform the ballistics/lethality of say a .223 or 5.56x45 just because it was fired from an AR platform rifle vs. one fired from say a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch rifle? Honestly, inquiring minds want to know. The rest of the good doc's letter is so full of ignorance, I think it gave me brain cancer and he should feel bad.

I wonder if this good doc knows that muskets do some wicked things to the human body so I suggest he look it up plus what in his right mind led him to think the Founding fathers only meant people could have muskets also just because he thinks AR's are not a sporting rifle doesn't magically make them not sporting rifles.

Of course the good doc doesn't realize the devastating damage a musket ball can cause, he's ignorant and just as you suspected, he is regurgitating bullshit he's been feed on a daily basis and taking said bullshit as fact, instead of educating himself.
The whole "sporting usage" is bullshit as well. What defines something as a "sporting usage" tool? It is way too vague and subjective. The term just needs to die and has no business in defining firearms.

[Pax Nerdvana]

"...what the high-speed bullets of such ARs do to bone or organs of people when they are struck" This is just one reason right here on why doctors need to just shut the fuck up and do their job of patching people up and send them home, I'd say a majority of doctors are vastly ignorant on firearms, let alone ballistics, why would I or anyone else listen to such ignorance coming from someone who is supposedly educated and hasn't done one lick of educating themselves on firearms/ammo/laws, etc.?
Does an AR magically transform the ballistics/lethality of say a .223 or 5.56x45 just because it was fired from an AR platform rifle vs. one fired from say a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch rifle? Honestly, inquiring minds want to know. The rest of the good doc's letter is so full of ignorance, I think it gave me brain cancer and he should feel bad.

I wonder what his reaction to a .357 magnum would be...

[Hurtful Thoughts]

"...what the high-speed bullets of such ARs do to bone or organs of people when they are struck" This is just one reason right here on why doctors need to just shut the fuck up and do their job of patching people up and send them home, I'd say a majority of doctors are vastly ignorant on firearms, let alone ballistics, why would I or anyone else listen to such ignorance coming from someone who is supposedly educated and hasn't done one lick of educating themselves on firearms/ammo/laws, etc.?
Does an AR magically transform the ballistics/lethality of say a .223 or 5.56x45 just because it was fired from an AR platform rifle vs. one fired from say a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch rifle? Honestly, inquiring minds want to know. The rest of the good doc's letter is so full of ignorance, I think it gave me brain cancer and he should feel bad.

I wonder what his reaction to a .357 magnum would be...

IIRC, it stems from this study/report.
Which within the first 150 seconds points out that as of 2008, "six out of seven victims of multiple gunshot wounds tend to survive".
.357 mags are discussed at teh 21 minute mark. In terms of bloodloss, the patient lost 39+ liters and survived.

Which, yes, pistols are generally more survivable, and the vast majority of deaths are via pistol-rounds of .22LR, .32 ACP, 9mm, or the random case of buckshot; and (at least in his case) most rifle-inflicted wounds are dead-on-arrival (or severely mangled).

Shotgun-slugs appear omitted from the report.

[Alorgaze]

Give a gun to every single citizen.