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The Two Jerseys wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I'm confused, was the above situation a military exercise and not people being fucking idiots?

Strangest military exercise I've ever seen...

Have you ever watched Starship Troopers?

Fartsniffage wrote:

Telconi wrote:
I don't see the relevance here...

During training one constantly points rifles at other people. Section attack drills, things like that. And your rifle is usually not unloaded, blanks make the situation much more realistic.

The adults in the video knew the pistol was unloaded. It was very poor gun control but suggestion that no one should ever point a gun at another person is just silly.

That might fly In the UK perhaps, not in the USMC. Muzzle awareness is stressed considerably, even when the weapon is unloaded. You do not fuck around like those guys were.

Yes, we do simmunition training with simmunition rounds, but those are fired from special rifle platforms. And even then, we stress muzzle awareness when not in the actual motions of the excercise.

Relevant Weapon safety rules: 1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. 2. Never point the weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Knowingly committing a stupid act doesn't make it not stupid.

Define 'children'

So you consider military training stupid?

The point at which the human brain fully connects cause and consequence is in the early 20's. I would say it's about then.

That is some Gauth-level strawmanning there...

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
So you consider military training stupid?

The point at which the human brain fully connects cause and consequence is in the early 20's. I would say it's about then.

That is some Gauth-level strawmanning there...

How so?

Fartsniffage wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:That is some Gauth-level strawmanning there...

How so?

Because Telconi said nothing about military training being stupid, and you damn well know it.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Knowingly committing a stupid act doesn't make it not stupid.

Define 'children'

So you consider military training stupid?

The point at which the human brain fully connects cause and consequence is in the early 20's. I would say it's about then.

Men taking selfies at a shooting range while pointing a gun at one another's heads is not "military training"

Then yes.

Tarsonis wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
During training one constantly points rifles at other people. Section attack drills, things like that. And your rifle is usually not unloaded, blanks make the situation much more realistic.

The adults in the video knew the pistol was unloaded. It was very poor gun control but suggestion that no one should ever point a gun at another person is just silly.

That might fly In the UK perhaps, not in the USMC. Muzzle awareness is stressed considerably, even when the weapon is unloaded. You do not fuck around like those guys were.

Yes, we do simmunition training with simmunition rounds, but those are fired from special rifle platforms. And even then, we stress muzzle awareness when not in the actual motions of the excercise.

Relevant Weapon safety rules: 1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. 2. Never point the weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot.

I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
How so?

Because Telconi said nothing about military training being stupid, and you damn well know it.

Context is a thing.

Telconi wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
That might fly In the UK perhaps, not in the USMC. Muzzle awareness is stressed considerably, even when the weapon is unloaded. You do not fuck around like those guys were.

Yes, we do simmunition training with simmunition rounds, but those are fired from special rifle platforms. And even then, we stress muzzle awareness when not in the actual motions of the excercise.

Relevant Weapon safety rules: 1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. 2. Never point the weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot.

I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.

There’s also BFA’s which allow the conversion of a weapon to fire blanks, which gets integrated into MILES gear. It sucks to use, (weighs like 30 pounds) but good for maneuvers over considerable distance. But for MOUT we use simmunition, 9mm paint rounds.

Telconi wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
That might fly In the UK perhaps, not in the USMC. Muzzle awareness is stressed considerably, even when the weapon is unloaded. You do not fuck around like those guys were.

Yes, we do simmunition training with simmunition rounds, but those are fired from special rifle platforms. And even then, we stress muzzle awareness when not in the actual motions of the excercise.

Relevant Weapon safety rules: 1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. 2. Never point the weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot.

I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.

So it's okay to point a weapon at someone if you have a BFA but otherwise it's insane and dangerous?

It's almost like there is a double standard and sometimes it's okay to point a weapon at people.......

Fartsniffage wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:Because Telconi said nothing about military training being stupid, and you damn well know it.

Context is a thing.

Is the context here a military exercise and not being a fucking idiot?

Fartsniffage wrote:

Telconi wrote:
I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.

So it's okay to point a weapon at someone if you have a BFA but otherwise it's insane and dangerous?

It's almost like there is a double standard and sometimes it's okay to point a weapon at people.......

Are all Brits this bad, or are you specifically bad at comprehending written words?

>Separate
>Blank Firing
>Weapons

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Context is a thing.

Is the context here a military exercise and not being a fucking idiot?

No. The context here is whether children should be allowed to buy firearms.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Telconi wrote:
I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.

So it's okay to point a weapon at someone if you have a BFA but otherwise it's insane and dangerous?

It's almost like there is a double standard and sometimes it's okay to point a weapon at people.......

You can keep ignoring me, but you’re wrong. A weapon should only, and I mean ONLY be pointed at a person when you’re prepared to shoot said person. I.e combat or in combat training maneuvers with MILES/Simmuntion. If you are not in the middle of said things you do not point the weapon at some one, and you definitely don’t fuck around with it like they were. That’s how people get killed.

Fartsniffage wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Is the context here a military exercise and not being a fucking idiot?

No. The context here is whether children should be allowed to buy firearms.

And what the fuck do military exercises and pointing guns at people have to do with that?

Telconi wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
So it's okay to point a weapon at someone if you have a BFA but otherwise it's insane and dangerous?

It's almost like there is a double standard and sometimes it's okay to point a weapon at people.......

Are all bits this bad, or are you specifically bad at comprehending written words?

>Separate
>Blank Firing
>Weapons

The only reason the British Army uses BFAs is that they won't cycle properly using blanks without. You know that? Right?

And getting "shot" with a blank at close range fucking sucks?

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
No. The context here is whether children should be allowed to buy firearms.

And what the fuck do military exercises and pointing guns at people have to do with that?

You should ask The Two Jerseys about that. He brought it up....

Fartsniffage wrote:

Telconi wrote:
I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.

So it's okay to point a weapon at someone if you have a BFA but otherwise it's insane and dangerous?

It's almost like there is a double standard and sometimes it's okay to point a weapon at people.......

That's as retarded as saying that allowing people to drive fast on racetracks and banning them from driving fast on public roads is a double standard.

Fartsniffage wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:And what the fuck do military exercises and pointing guns at people have to do with that?

You should ask The Two Jerseys about that. He brought it up....

No, you brought up the military exercises in some inane attempt at shooting down a general statement.

Fartsniffage wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:And what the fuck do military exercises and pointing guns at people have to do with that?

You should ask The Two Jerseys about that. He brought it up....

Actually, you're the one who brought up that children can't be trusted with guns because 15-year old you fucked up once...

Fartsniffage wrote:

Telconi wrote:
Are all bits this bad, or are you specifically bad at comprehending written words?

>Separate
>Blank Firing
>Weapons

The only reason the British Army uses BFAs is that they won't cycle properly using blanks without. You know that? Right?

And getting "shot" with a blank at close range fucking sucks?

Sure, doesn't change the fact that you don't need to use live capable arms.

Not with a blank gun.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
You should ask The Two Jerseys about that. He brought it up....

No, you brought up the military exercises in some inane attempt at shooting down a general statement.

No you.

I was talking about children being allowed to buy firearms. The Two Jerseys brought up the adults in Texas.

I'm still of the opinion that children shouldn't be allowed to buy guns. What is your opinion on that?

Fartsniffage wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:No, you brought up the military exercises in some inane attempt at shooting down a general statement.

No you.

I was talking about children being allowed to buy firearms. The Two Jerseys brought up the adults in Texas.

I'm still of the opinion that children shouldn't be allowed to buy guns. What is your opinion on that?

Only if they are in the militia.

Telconi wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
The only reason the British Army uses BFAs is that they won't cycle properly using blanks without. You know that? Right?

And getting "shot" with a blank at close range fucking sucks?

Sure, doesn't change the fact that you don't need to use live capable arms.

Not with a blank gun.

The British Army uses fully live weapons with a BFA. A BFA is just a bit of metal you screw into the muzzle.

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
You should ask The Two Jerseys about that. He brought it up....

Actually, you're the one who brought up that children can't be trusted with guns because 15-year old you fucked up once...

Not even close to true.