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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:45 pm

Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.


So "Authoritarian Shitholes" don't exist?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:46 pm

Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.

They banned drinks over 16oz. That’s the very definition of being authoritarian
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Postby Crockerland » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:20 pm

Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.

This """"""""""""""""""""""""""""argument"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" could be applied to Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe, California, or any number of other authoritarian shitholes.
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:41 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.

They banned drinks over 16oz. That’s the very definition of being authoritarian

Can't have that evil soda lobby (probably run by republicans) making everyone fat.

It'd be one thing if the draconian gun laws were limited to NYC and not spreading to the rest of the state, but unfortunately that's exactly what's happening.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:49 pm

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Grinning Dragon wrote:Could this possibly head to the Supreme Court?
Continuing Fight to Protect Second Amendment Rights, Attorney General Jeff Landry Leads 17-State Coalition Against Overreaching Gun Restriction


WOW ny city is a authoritarian shithole.


The last I checked, NYC is only the 63rd worst city in the US for homicides. What was it like back in the 80's?

Not saying it's all down to gun control but it seems to have at least helped.

What ever happened to the "they can get guns from across state lines" defense? Or does that only count when a anti-gun city has bad crime?
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Postby Arengin Union » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:25 pm

Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.

The 2nd Amendment is not completely off limits yes, but it is still a right that should be regulated under reasonable and logical laws, just like the First amendment in which you can't yell fire in a crowded theater or slander, or threaten with violence, but many of the current regulations on guns are completely ludicrous, absurd, and nonsensical since firearms are a constitutional right and not a privilege, which many States, e.g. New York, Massachusetts, California, Hawaii, etc behave like its a privilege rather than a right and regulate it with absurd and borderline unconstitutional laws.

You cannot uphold one right (Neo-Nazis or Antifa being able to spew their bullshit publicly) while also limiting one right to it almost being an hassle to have than a right (NY being on your ass about type of firearms and carry permits costing so much money). Its simply hypocritical and does authoritarian in nature.
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:26 am

Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.


No, it is a fairly accurate observation.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:47 am

Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.

Authoritarian shit holes restrict rights; NYC restricts rights; ergo NYC is an authoritarian shit hole.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:07 am

Crockerland wrote:
Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.

This """"""""""""""""""""""""""""argument"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" could be applied to Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe, California, or any number of other authoritarian shitholes.


Except they do other things than restrict guns or soda. Like violent suppression of dissent, for example. It doesn't matter what you feel but regulation of firearms isn't comparable to a government actively working against people. Your """""""""""argument""""""""" is saying that crimes against humanity and the regulation of firearms are comparable.

Which is plainly silly from any reasonable point of view.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:08 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.

Authoritarian shit holes restrict rights; NYC restricts rights; ergo NYC is an authoritarian shit hole.


It's a hyperbolic comparison and you know it.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:09 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.

They banned drinks over 16oz. That’s the very definition of being authoritarian


Can't relate; dont drink soda.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:22 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Authoritarian shit holes restrict rights; NYC restricts rights; ergo NYC is an authoritarian shit hole.


It's a hyperbolic comparison and you know it.

Restricting rights is authoritarian so it's not and I know it.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:22 am

Valrifell wrote:
Crockerland wrote:This """"""""""""""""""""""""""""argument"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" could be applied to Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe, California, or any number of other authoritarian shitholes.


Except they do other things than restrict guns or soda. Like violent suppression of dissent, for example. It doesn't matter what you feel but regulation of firearms isn't comparable to a government actively working against people. Your """""""""""argument""""""""" is saying that crimes against humanity and the regulation of firearms are comparable.

Which is plainly silly from any reasonable point of view.



Valrifell wrote:NYC Saudi Arabia is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:31 am

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They banned drinks over 16oz. That’s the very definition of being authoritarian


Can't relate; dont drink soda.


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Postby Northeast American Federation » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:41 am

Valrifell wrote:
Crockerland wrote:This """"""""""""""""""""""""""""argument"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" could be applied to Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe, California, or any number of other authoritarian shitholes.


Except they do other things than restrict guns or soda. Like violent suppression of dissent, for example. It doesn't matter what you feel but regulation of firearms isn't comparable to a government actively working against people. Your """""""""""argument""""""""" is saying that crimes against humanity and the regulation of firearms are comparable.

Which is plainly silly from any reasonable point of view.

Does it not become infinitely easier to commit crimes against humanity if no one can defend themselves?
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:49 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Authoritarian shit holes restrict rights; NYC restricts rights; ergo NYC is an authoritarian shit hole.


It's a hyperbolic comparison and you know it.



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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.

Authoritarian shit holes restrict rights; NYC restricts rights; ergo NYC is an authoritarian shit hole.

"Authoritarian shit holes restrict rights"
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Postby Kernen » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:44 pm

Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.


That may not cause them to be a shithole, but this in addition to other laws makes it pretty terrible to live in.

Frankly, no gun control is the appropriate amount of gun control.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:17 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It's a hyperbolic comparison and you know it.

Restricting rights is authoritarian so it's not and I know it.


Not to mention rights that clearly violate our own constitution.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:20 pm

Kernen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.


That may not cause them to be a shithole, but this in addition to other laws makes it pretty terrible to live in.

Frankly, no gun control is the appropriate amount of gun control.


So you think 6 year olds should be able to buy pistols?

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:23 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Kernen wrote:
That may not cause them to be a shithole, but this in addition to other laws makes it pretty terrible to live in.

Frankly, no gun control is the appropriate amount of gun control.


So you think 6 year olds should be able to buy pistols?


Yes. Then again what 6 yr old is going to have the money to do so?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:32 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you think 6 year olds should be able to buy pistols?


Yes. Then again what 6 yr old is going to have the money to do so?


The ones that do.

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Postby Len Hyet » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:55 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Kernen wrote:
That may not cause them to be a shithole, but this in addition to other laws makes it pretty terrible to live in.

Frankly, no gun control is the appropriate amount of gun control.


So you think 6 year olds should be able to buy pistols?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:57 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you think 6 year olds should be able to buy pistols?

Other people: "Why isn't Libertarianism more mainstream?"

Me: "Man booed at Libertarian conference for saying you should not be able to sell heroin to a 5-year old"


What is wrong with those people?

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Postby Loben » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:57 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Kernen wrote:
That may not cause them to be a shithole, but this in addition to other laws makes it pretty terrible to live in.

Frankly, no gun control is the appropriate amount of gun control.


So you think 6 year olds should be able to buy pistols?


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