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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:22 pm
by Grinning Dragon
Speaking of the vegas thing.
A judge tossed the lawsuit against slide fire, and trump is saying that bump stocks will be gone in 2-3 weeks as the batfe(and really big fires) is close to doing so.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:06 pm
by Arengin Union
Raising the age to buy firearms to 21 is unconstitutional and should be grounds to depose and tried Jerry Brown and his cronies for treason.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:46 pm
by Grinning Dragon
Arengin Union wrote:Raising the age to buy firearms to 21 is unconstitutional and should be grounds to depose and tried Jerry Brown and his cronies for treason.

I'm not a fan of age restrictions on any enumerated negative right and feel any age restriction is unconstitutional.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:55 pm
by Gig em Aggies
Arengin Union wrote:Raising the age to buy firearms to 21 is unconstitutional and should be grounds to depose and tried Jerry Brown and his cronies for treason.

I sure hope voters in California wake up soon and vote him and associates out of office so they can get back to being more constitutional rights friendly as well as making people not pissed off.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:01 pm
by Greater Cesnica
Gig em Aggies wrote:
Arengin Union wrote:Raising the age to buy firearms to 21 is unconstitutional and should be grounds to depose and tried Jerry Brown and his cronies for treason.

I sure hope voters in California wake up soon and vote him and associates out of office so they can get back to being more constitutional rights friendly as well as making people not pissed off.

I think they're slowly starting to wake up now.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:05 pm
by Gig em Aggies
Greater Cesnica wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:I sure hope voters in California wake up soon and vote him and associates out of office so they can get back to being more constitutional rights friendly as well as making people not pissed off.

I think they're slowly starting to wake up now.

Give them some five hour shot or Red Bull they need to wake up faster Dammit.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:10 pm
by Telconi
Greater Cesnica wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:I sure hope voters in California wake up soon and vote him and associates out of office so they can get back to being more constitutional rights friendly as well as making people not pissed off.

I think they're slowly starting to wake up now.


Yeah, I doubt that, People are challenging Feinstein because she's not terrible enough...

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:35 am
by The Two Jerseys
So, how many lawsuits against gun control laws are getting filed Tuesday morning?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:55 am
by Greater Cesnica
Can we just like give every person in the United States a PDW?

Wait what

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:21 am
by Free Arabian Nation
Greater Cesnica wrote:Can we just like give every person in the United States a PDW?

Wait what

No...

We should give everyone a rocket launcher machinegun

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:05 am
by Jolthig
I fail to see the need to stock up guns against tyranny. I mean, guns can't fight against bombs or cruise missiles or tanks can they? The government would crush the armed militias.

It's more reasonable to have a gun for self-defense from a criminal, than against the government. It's simple paranoia that gun manufacturers want their buyers to believe.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:12 am
by Licana
Jolthig wrote:I fail to see the need to stock up guns against tyranny. I mean, guns can't fight against bombs or cruise missiles or tanks can they?

History has shown the answer to that question to be yes.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:13 am
by Jolthig
Licana wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I fail to see the need to stock up guns against tyranny. I mean, guns can't fight against bombs or cruise missiles or tanks can they?

History has shown the answer to that question to be yes.

Where?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:19 am
by Len Hyet
Jolthig wrote:
Licana wrote:History has shown the answer to that question to be yes.

Where?

Korea, Vietnam, Algeria, Israel, Columbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq come to mind.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:21 am
by Hammer Britannia
Len Hyet wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Where?

Korea, Vietnam, Algeria, Israel, Columbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq come to mind.

And Poland...

Multiple times

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:22 am
by Jolthig
Len Hyet wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Where?

Korea, Vietnam, Algeria, Israel, Columbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq come to mind.

Ok, then how?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:26 am
by Licana
Jolthig wrote:
Licana wrote:History has shown the answer to that question to be yes.

Where?

Finland, Vietnam (partially), Afghanistan, 1st Chechen War, Afghanistan again, Iraq, the ever-ongoing resistance to Israeli occupation of Gaza/The West Bank, etc.

Jolthig wrote:Ok, then how?

By leveraging the fact that bombs and cruise missiles require you to know where your targets are, and the fact that tanks are not actually indestructible.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:28 am
by Jolthig
Licana wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Where?

Finland, Vietnam (partially), Afghanistan, 1st Chechen War, Afghanistan again, Iraq, the ever-ongoing resistance to Israeli occupation of Gaza/The West Bank, etc.

Jolthig wrote:Ok, then how?

By leveraging the fact that bombs and cruise missiles require you to know where your targets are, and the fact that tanks are not actually indestructible.

True.

Though I still think America will turn into another Syria of endless war had people with guns fought.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:28 am
by Len Hyet
Jolthig wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Korea, Vietnam, Algeria, Israel, Columbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq come to mind.

Ok, then how?

Because you cannot control an entire country and its people with tanks, jets, drones, and cruise missiles. A fighter jet or a tank or a cruise missile cannot stand a street corner. It cannot enforce a no-assembly edict. It cannot kick in your door at 3am and search for contraband. None of these things maintain the police state that is necessary to subjugate a people.

Those weapons are great for flattening countries, glassing cities, killing thousands. Read: the things that no government wants to do to its own people, no matter how evil they are. Tienanmen Square was a last resort not a first choice. You need infrastructure and civilians to be a tyrannical asshole. If the President decides to turn everything outside Washington DC into glass there's nothing a rifle can do to stop him. But we're not talking about resisting Dr. Doom. We're talking about the kind of tyrant that we've seen time and time again. The kind that uses police.

Police are necessary to maintain a police state. Boots on the ground. And no matter how many police you have, they will always be outnumbered by civilians, which is why in a police state it is absolutely vital that your police be well armed and your civilians have nothing but their limp dicks.

But, and here's the important part, when every random Tom Dick and Harry could have a rifle in the closet, the police are now outnumbered and outgunned, and there goes your police state.

See: every fucking insurgency the US has ever tried to fight ever.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:31 am
by Licana
Jolthig wrote:Though I still think America will turn into another Syria of endless war had people with guns fought.


That would rather depend on the nature and severity of the fighting, and the circumstances that led up to that point.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:04 pm
by Paddy O Fernature
Licana wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Though I still think America will turn into another Syria of endless war had people with guns fought.


That would rather depend on the nature and severity of the fighting, and the circumstances that led up to that point.


Ignoring the fact that the US military would fracture faster then thin ice under a fat kid during any sort of revolution scenario, or that the National Guard and Reserves would cease to exist almost overnight due to mass desertions when activated....

Quick Google search tells me that there are an estimated 45-50% of Americans who own firearms in the country, with a population of roughly 325 Million people. That roughly 146.25-162.5 Million gun owners that also according to the Independent.co.uk own roughly 40% of the worlds firearms and ammunition.

If even only 1% of that number actually actively form a resistance movement against the government during times of duress, you are looking at an armed insurgency numbering anywhere from 1.46 to 1.62 Million members, making it the largest armed insurgency in recorded history sitting on what Im sure will becomes the worlds most flooded black market of readily available arms and munitions.

Also, if a man sitting in a cave using 60+ year old machinery without blueprints or access to quality materials can build some truly stunning copies of modern firearms that would work in a pinch in any sort of actual conflict, then imagine what we could do here with the resources and technology we have readily available.

Just saying.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:06 pm
by Greater Cesnica
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Licana wrote:
That would rather depend on the nature and severity of the fighting, and the circumstances that led up to that point.


Ignoring the fact that the US military would fracture faster then thin ice under a fat kid during any sort of revolution scenario, or that the National Guard and Reserves would cease to exist almost overnight due to mass desertions when activated....

Quick Google search tells me that there are an estimated 45-50% of Americans who own firearms in the country, with a population of roughly 325 Million people. That roughly 146.25-162.5 Million gun owners that also according to the Independent.co.uk own roughly 40% of the worlds firearms and ammunition.

If even only 1% of that number actually actively form a resistance movement against the government during times of duress, you are looking at an armed insurgency numbering anywhere from 1.46 to 1.62 Million members, making it the largest armed insurgency in recorded history sitting on what Im sure will becomes the worlds most flooded black market of readily available arms and munitions.

Also, if a man sitting in a cave using 60+ year old machinery without blueprints or access to quality materials can build some truly stunning copies of modern firearms that would work in a pinch in any sort of actual conflict, then imagine what we could do here with the resources and technology we have readily available.

Just saying.

Yeah, in the case of an actual tyrannical government, short of glassing the entire country, the Armed Forces can't do shit against a civilian uprising.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:36 pm
by Gun Manufacturers
Jolthig wrote:I fail to see the need to stock up guns against tyranny. I mean, guns can't fight against bombs or cruise missiles or tanks can they? The government would crush the armed militias.

It's more reasonable to have a gun for self-defense from a criminal, than against the government. It's simple paranoia that gun manufacturers want their buyers to believe.


I don't want my buyers to be paranoid, I just want to increase my prof... I mean, I want to promote firearms sports.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:07 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts
Jolthig wrote:I fail to see the need to stock up guns against tyranny. I mean, guns can't fight against bombs or cruise missiles or tanks can they? The government would crush the armed militias.

It's more reasonable to have a gun for self-defense from a criminal, than against the government. It's simple paranoia that gun manufacturers want their buyers to believe.

Well, not so much against "the government" so much as small low-level government officials abusing their authority (and not minor infractions, more like the stuff that occured in Texas and Arizona last month). It's not done often, but it's best to keep that option on the table and clearly visible.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:34 pm
by West Leas Oros 2
Arengin Union wrote:Raising the age to buy firearms to 21 is unconstitutional and should be grounds to depose and tried Jerry Brown and his cronies for treason.

Honestly Jerry Brown was always a bad dude.