Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Grinning Dragon]

Well, I'd draw the line at handguns and shotguns. An assault rifle is overkill for self-defence and hunting, and was developed to kill many people in a short space of time in warfare.

All weapons are made to kill. wtf are you talking about?

Apparently there is some unwritten rule about what is acceptable and what is overkill in regards to self defense, and here I thought any tool that gains you the advantage of protecting ones life is the proper tool to use. No such thing as overkill in regards to self defense.

[Sovaal]

All weapons are made to kill. wtf are you talking about?

I'm saying that assault rifles are not built simply for self-defence, hunting and other commonly cited reasons for gun ownership, and are perfectly adapted for purposes such as mass shootings.

1: Come back when assault rifle ownership is common.
2: Also, look at my list/test.

I think I see the problem.
Tell me, of these guns which do you think is to deadly to be in civilian hands and which is okay and as to why?

I’d be interested in your answers.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

All weapons are made to kill. wtf are you talking about?

Apparently there is some unwritten rule about what is acceptable and what is overkill in regards to self defense, and here I thought any tool that gains you the advantage of protecting ones life is the proper tool to use. No such thing as overkill in regards to self defense.

So, if someone's trying to mug you it's justified to blow them up with an RPG?

[Sovaal]

I'm saying that assault rifles are not built simply for self-defence, hunting and other commonly cited reasons for gun ownership, and are perfectly adapted for purposes such as mass shootings.

Buddy, nobody makes guns to shoot up schools.

Also, the AR-15 was DESIGNED for Civilian Use

Well it was designed for both military and civilian use.

Like most guns.

[Spirit of Hope]

All weapons are made to kill. wtf are you talking about?

I'm saying that assault rifles are not built simply for self-defence, hunting and other commonly cited reasons for gun ownership, and are perfectly adapted for purposes such as mass shootings.

Please define what you think an assault rifle is, because you continue to use the term as if the average civilian can get their hands on one. Which they can't.

[Sovaal]

Apparently there is some unwritten rule about what is acceptable and what is overkill in regards to self defense, and here I thought any tool that gains you the advantage of protecting ones life is the proper tool to use. No such thing as overkill in regards to self defense.

So, if someone's trying to mug you it's justified to blow them up with an RPG?

If you can do it won’t harming your self, others, or property that isn’t your sure.

[Aav Verinhall]

Yeah. Here's my answer. Realistically, all of those are deadly.

Indeed.

Some have legitimate uses, such as hunting. Others are pistols, and can be used in self-defense, reasonably. Some of them are AR's, and it makes no sense for you to own one.

And here’s the problem.
1: All of these guns are semiautomatic.
2: Guns one and two are both the Mini 14, three and four at both AR 15s, five and six are both Glocks, and seven is essentially the same being a wonder nine an all, eight and nine are both the M14, and nine and ten are both semi auto shotguns.

Do you see the point I’m trying to make?

9 and 10 didn't show for me, so I couldn't make a judgement on them. But yeah, I see your point. If you ban ARs, you have to ban all guns. I'm pro-gun control, but I don't think that extreme.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

So, if someone's trying to mug you it's justified to blow them up with an RPG?

If you can do it won’t harming your self, others, or property that isn’t your sure.

Well, that doesn't justify RPG ownership, since they could just as easily be used for terrorism.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Daily reminder that the AR is one of the best home defense weapons and due to it's light weight and extreme customizability is also one of the most popular hunting weapons.

[Telconi]

Apparently there is some unwritten rule about what is acceptable and what is overkill in regards to self defense, and here I thought any tool that gains you the advantage of protecting ones life is the proper tool to use. No such thing as overkill in regards to self defense.

So, if someone's trying to mug you it's justified to blow them up with an RPG?

It's justified for me to do whatever is necessary to eliminate the threat to me and mine. If that's an RPG, then it's an RPG.

[Hammer Britannia]

Daily reminder that the AR is one of the best home defense weapons and due to it's light weight and extreme customizability is also one of the most popular hunting weapons.

I've used an AR-15 for home defense (Training anyways)

To put it simple: 10/10, would rather use than handgun/shotgun

[Grinning Dragon]

Apparently there is some unwritten rule about what is acceptable and what is overkill in regards to self defense, and here I thought any tool that gains you the advantage of protecting ones life is the proper tool to use. No such thing as overkill in regards to self defense.

So, if someone's trying to mug you it's justified to blow them up with an RPG?

Hmm, I think using an area effect weapon to repel a mugger is going to get me messed up along with anybody else in the vicinity. In this instance I would go to my sidearm or knife, both are much easier to carry than say an RPG, LAW or an AT4

[Aav Verinhall]

So, if someone's trying to mug you it's justified to blow them up with an RPG?

It's justified for me to do whatever is necessary to eliminate the threat to me and mine. If that's an RPG, then it's an RPG.

Not really. I don't think an RPG is justified. That could cause civilian casualties.

[Spirit of Hope]

If you can do it won’t harming your self, others, or property that isn’t your sure.

Well, that doesn't justify RPG ownership, since they could just as easily be used for terrorism.

You right, which is why most of us here are ok with explosives being placed under heavier restrictions to own.

That logic doesn't extend how you want it to though, since you keep using terms wrong for rifles. Assault rifles are already heavily regulated and have not been used in a mass shooting for decades. What you are talking about are semi auto rifles which are great for all kinds of civilian uses.

[Telconi]

It's justified for me to do whatever is necessary to eliminate the threat to me and mine. If that's an RPG, then it's an RPG.

Not really. I don't think an RPG is justified. That could cause civilian casualties.

Me driving to work today could cause civilian casualties...

[Aav Verinhall]

Well, that doesn't justify RPG ownership, since they could just as easily be used for terrorism.

You right, which is why most of us here are ok with explosives being placed under heavier restrictions to own.

That logic doesn't extend how you want it to though, since you keep using terms wrong for rifles. Assault rifles are already heavily regulated and have not been used in a mass shooting for decades. What you are talking about are semi auto rifles which are great for all kinds of civilian uses.

Yeah, I guess you're right. But semi-autos need regulation too.

[Sovaal]

If you can do it won’t harming your self, others, or property that isn’t your sure.

Well, that doesn't justify RPG ownership, since they could just as easily be used for terrorism.

So can hunting rifles. And pressure cookers. And box trucks. And fertilizer. And loads of other things.

[Wysten]

Let's face it. The only reason assault rifles exist is to kill as many people as possible in a short space of time. That goes well beyond "self-defence".

Actually they were built to bridge the gap between Bolt Action and SMGs so that the infantry doesn't have to rely as much on the machine gunner and his crew for sustained fire.

[Aav Verinhall]

Not really. I don't think an RPG is justified. That could cause civilian casualties.

Me driving to work today could cause civilian casualties...

True, but not by design. (Unless you're trying to kill people, which in that case is vehicular homicide, but that's a different story.)

[Hammer Britannia]

Me driving to work today could cause civilian casualties...

True, but not by design. (Unless you're trying to kill people, which in that case is vehicular homicide, but that's a different story.)

Controlled Fire by design is supposed to keep us warm and only warm

[Aav Verinhall]

True, but not by design. (Unless you're trying to kill people, which in that case is vehicular homicide, but that's a different story.)

Fire by design is supposed to keep us warm and only warm

This argument is going to go nowhere. High explosives should not be considered legal for consumer purchase, and a quick google search tells me that they are. Which is ridiculous.

[Spirit of Hope]

You right, which is why most of us here are ok with explosives being placed under heavier restrictions to own.

That logic doesn't extend how you want it to though, since you keep using terms wrong for rifles. Assault rifles are already heavily regulated and have not been used in a mass shooting for decades. What you are talking about are semi auto rifles which are great for all kinds of civilian uses.

Yeah, I guess you're right. But semi-autos need regulation too.

They are regulated. It is illegal to transfer one to a person convicted of domestic violence, a crime punishable by more than 1 year in prison, drug addict, people on the run from the law, or persons who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institute. To buy a gun from a gun store you need to go through a background check. Sellers at gun shows are almost always professionals who have to carry out background checks.

Criminals get their firearms almost exclusively from two sources friends/family, and illegally (black market or theft).

What legislation would you propose?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Fire by design is supposed to keep us warm and only warm

This argument is going to go nowhere. High explosives should not be considered legal for consumer purchase, and a quick google search tells me that they are. Which is ridiculous.

Why shouldn't they be? If you go through the hoops I see no reason to say you can't.

[Telconi]

Me driving to work today could cause civilian casualties...

True, but not by design. (Unless you're trying to kill people, which in that case is vehicular homicide, but that's a different story.)

Nobody designed a weapon for murder, if you use it for such that's homicide homicide, but that's a different story.

[Aav Verinhall]

Yeah, I guess you're right. But semi-autos need regulation too.

They are regulated. It is illegal to transfer one to a person convicted of domestic violence, a crime punishable by more than 1 year in prison, drug addict, people on the run from the law, or persons who have been involuntarily committed to a mental institute. To buy a gun from a gun store you need to go through a background check. Sellers at gun shows are almost always professionals who have to carry out background checks.

Criminals get their firearms almost exclusively from two sources friends/family, and illegally (black market or theft).

What legislation would you propose?

No transfer between friends/family. There's some.