Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Northwest Slobovia]

3) Better police/community awareness of signs of mass shooters, and how to respond. Could be helped by something like a gun violence restraining order, but not truly necessary.

Fixed that for ya. The reason people are so interested in gun violence restraining orders ("red flag" laws) is because they are necessary. In many cases, people knew that somebody was likely to commit (mass) murder, but legally could do nothing about it.

Otherwise, yes: intervention seems to work, and the US desperately needs to figure out a better way for people to get decent-paying jobs. The Germans have a good system, but because of cultural and legal differences between the US and Germany, it would need to be adapted to work here.

[Washington Resistance Army]

3) Better police/community awareness of signs of mass shooters, and how to respond. Could be helped by something like a gun violence restraining order, but not truly necessary.

Fixed that for ya. The reason people are so interested in gun violence restraining orders ("red flag" laws) is because they are necessary. In many cases, people knew that somebody was likely to commit (mass) murder, but legally could do nothing about it.

Said laws also have some serious due process concerns.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Fixed that for ya. The reason people are so interested in gun violence restraining orders ("red flag" laws) is because they are necessary. In many cases, people knew that somebody was likely to commit (mass) murder, but legally could do nothing about it.

Said laws also have some serious due process concerns.

Oh, yeah! Many of the laws hastily passed in the last few weeks are DOA in the Federal courts. But the idea is a good one, and I expect the round of laws that replaces them will actually be constitutional.

[Aav Verinhall]

Said laws also have some serious due process concerns.

Oh, yeah! Many of the laws hastily passed in the last few weeks are DOA in the Federal courts. But the idea is a good one, and I expect the round of laws that replaces them will actually be constitutional.

True. You make a good point.

[Sovaal]

To be fair. Yes. But I'd still read the WP over, say, Breitbart, because over at Breitbart, logic goes out the window while talking about guns too, but at least the WP has logic 99% of the time. But, I would support a ban on assault wweapons even if the WP said no.

Call me a crazy liberal if you want, but I support assault weapons bans. I personally think that there would be fewer mass shootings if you couldn't buy an AR-15.

That too. But I don't think an AR ban would be insignificant in helping, either.

I think I see the problem.
Tell me, of these guns which do you think is to deadly to be in civilian hands and which is okay and as to why?

I’d be interested in your answers.

[Sovaal]

Fixed that for ya. The reason people are so interested in gun violence restraining orders ("red flag" laws) is because they are necessary. In many cases, people knew that somebody was likely to commit (mass) murder, but legally could do nothing about it.

Said laws also have some serious due process concerns.

I doubt half the people at the Capitol care about due process, and the other half only in lip service.

[Gig em Aggies]

Said laws also have some serious due process concerns.

I doubt half the people at the Capitol care about due process, and the other half only in lip service.

I saw we use the 2nd and the 1st and replace D.C with another city as the capital something not in the hotbed of Blue country maybe D/FW, Houston, Austin, San Antonio or we can build a new capital on virgin land in the Middle of the Country, or we can scrap the Four corners monument and build the capital their smack dab in the Hot Western US.

[Aav Verinhall]

I think I see the problem.
Tell me, of these guns which do you think is to deadly to be in civilian hands and which is okay and as to why?

I’d be interested in your answers.

Yeah. Here's my answer. Realistically, all of those are deadly. Some have legitimate uses, such as hunting. Others are pistols, and can be used in self-defense, reasonably. Some of them are AR's, and it makes no sense for you to own one.

[Len Hyet]

I think I see the problem.
Tell me, of these guns which do you think is to deadly to be in civilian hands and which is okay and as to why?

I’d be interested in your answers.

Yeah. Here's my answer. Realistically, all of those are deadly. Some have legitimate uses, such as hunting. Others are pistols, and can be used in self-defense, reasonably. Some of them are AR's, and it makes no sense for you to own one.

AR-15 is the best home defense weapon on the market.

It's also great for varmint hunting.

[Grinning Dragon]

I think I see the problem.
Tell me, of these guns which do you think is to deadly to be in civilian hands and which is okay and as to why?

I’d be interested in your answers.

Yeah. Here's my answer. Realistically, all of those are deadly. Some have legitimate uses, such as hunting. Others are pistols, and can be used in self-defense, reasonably. Some of them are AR's, and it makes no sense for you to own one.

They all have legitimate uses, firearms are not a one size fits all. It also makes perfect sense for one to own an AR platform firearm, let alone as firearm technology advances so does the design and look of a firearm. The AR platform and others like it are just the next evolution in design.

[Spirit of Hope]

I think I see the problem.
Tell me, of these guns which do you think is to deadly to be in civilian hands and which is okay and as to why?

I’d be interested in your answers.

Yeah. Here's my answer. Realistically, all of those are deadly. Some have legitimate uses, such as hunting. Others are pistols, and can be used in self-defense, reasonably. Some of them are AR's, and it makes no sense for you to own one.

Here is the problem, outside of numbers 10 and 11, all of the firearms are near identical. They are all semi auto (ok some may be full auto but that gets away from the civilian population) firearms that accept detachable box magazines. Everything besides that is cosmetic. 10 and 11 are pump action guns using a tubular magazine. If any of 1-9 are acceptable then the rest of 1-9 should be acceptable.

[Kernen]

Yeah. Here's my answer. Realistically, all of those are deadly. Some have legitimate uses, such as hunting. Others are pistols, and can be used in self-defense, reasonably. Some of them are AR's, and it makes no sense for you to own one.

Here is the problem, outside of numbers 10 and 11, all of the firearms are near identical. They are all semi auto (ok some may be full auto but that gets away from the civilian population) firearms that accept detachable box magazines. Everything besides that is cosmetic. 10 and 11 are pump action guns using a tubular magazine. If any of 1-9 are acceptable then the rest of 1-9 should be acceptable.

IT WAS A TRAP!

I love seeing this trick work.

[Sovaal]

I think I see the problem.
Tell me, of these guns which do you think is to deadly to be in civilian hands and which is okay and as to why?

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I’d be interested in your answers.

Yeah. Here's my answer. Realistically, all of those are deadly.

Indeed.

Some have legitimate uses, such as hunting. Others are pistols, and can be used in self-defense, reasonably. Some of them are AR's, and it makes no sense for you to own one.

And here’s the problem.
1: All of these guns are semiautomatic.
2: Guns one and two are both the Mini 14, three and four at both AR 15s, five and six are both Glocks, and seven is essentially the same being a wonder nine an all, eight and nine are both the M14, and nine and ten are both semi auto shotguns.

Do you see the point I’m trying to make?

[Sovaal]

Yeah. Here's my answer. Realistically, all of those are deadly. Some have legitimate uses, such as hunting. Others are pistols, and can be used in self-defense, reasonably. Some of them are AR's, and it makes no sense for you to own one.

Here is the problem, outside of numbers 10 and 11, all of the firearms are near identical. They are all semi auto (ok some may be full auto but that gets away from the civilian population) firearms that accept detachable box magazines. Everything besides that is cosmetic. 10 and 11 are pump action guns using a tubular magazine. If any of 1-9 are acceptable then the rest of 1-9 should be acceptable.

10 and 11 are both semis.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Let's face it. The only reason assault rifles exist is to kill as many people as possible in a short space of time. That goes well beyond "self-defence".

[Grinning Dragon]

Let's face it. The only reason assault rifles exist is to kill as many people as possible in a short space of time. That goes well beyond "self-defence".

Wrong again.

[Sovaal]

Let's face it. The only reason assault rifles exist is to kill as many people as possible in a short space of time. That goes well beyond "self-defence".

That’s weapons in general. Did you know that the Germans wanted to ban pump action shotguns from use in war because they deemed them ‘weapons of mass destruction’ because of how damaging at close range they where. Wan to ban pump action shotguns, probably the most common type of gun in civilian hands?

[Spirit of Hope]

Here is the problem, outside of numbers 10 and 11, all of the firearms are near identical. They are all semi auto (ok some may be full auto but that gets away from the civilian population) firearms that accept detachable box magazines. Everything besides that is cosmetic. 10 and 11 are pump action guns using a tubular magazine. If any of 1-9 are acceptable then the rest of 1-9 should be acceptable.

10 and 11 are both semis.

Yep, missed it. As soon as you pointed it out I noticed that they were semis.

Let's face it. The only reason assault rifles exist is to kill as many people as possible in a short space of time. That goes well beyond "self-defence".

Nope. Assault rifles exist because they can lay down suppressive fire, and their ammo is lighter to facilitate soldiers being able to carry more ammo.

Additionally assault rifles are generally capable of burst or fully automatic fire. Since it is illegal to produce such firearms, and all legally existing such firearms have required registration since 1934 they aren't that big of a crime issue. In fact since 1934 they have quite literally been involved in a handful of crimes. Even semi auto rifles (what you are most likely thinking of) are used in only a tiny number of homicides per year.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Let's face it. The only reason assault rifles exist is to kill as many people as possible in a short space of time. That goes well beyond "self-defence".

That’s weapons in general. Did you know that the Germans wanted to ban pump action shotguns from use in war because they deemed them ‘weapons of mass destruction’ because of how damaging at close range they where. Wan to ban pump action shotguns, probably the most common type of gun in civilian hands?

Well, I'd draw the line at handguns and shotguns. An assault rifle is overkill for self-defence and hunting, and was developed to kill many people in a short space of time in warfare.

[Sovaal]

That’s weapons in general. Did you know that the Germans wanted to ban pump action shotguns from use in war because they deemed them ‘weapons of mass destruction’ because of how damaging at close range they where. Wan to ban pump action shotguns, probably the most common type of gun in civilian hands?

Well, I'd draw the line at handguns and shotguns. An assault rifle is overkill for self-defence and hunting, and was developed to kill many people in a short space of time in warfare.

Many handguns and shotguns are semi auto as well (also semi auto=/=assault rifle). You think that kids are goin to stand a chance against a guy with a handgun or shotgun? They’re designed to kill too.

[Spirit of Hope]

That’s weapons in general. Did you know that the Germans wanted to ban pump action shotguns from use in war because they deemed them ‘weapons of mass destruction’ because of how damaging at close range they where. Wan to ban pump action shotguns, probably the most common type of gun in civilian hands?

Well, I'd draw the line at handguns and shotguns. An assault rifle is overkill for self-defence and hunting, and was developed to kill many people in a short space of time in warfare.

Again no, see my previous post. Assault rifles are already heavily regulated. Unless you want to ban basically all semi auto rifles (which aren't really any more dangerous than semi auto handguns or shotguns), you can't really "ban" what you think are assault rifles from the civilian population.

[Hammer Britannia]

That’s weapons in general. Did you know that the Germans wanted to ban pump action shotguns from use in war because they deemed them ‘weapons of mass destruction’ because of how damaging at close range they where. Wan to ban pump action shotguns, probably the most common type of gun in civilian hands?

Well, I'd draw the line at handguns and shotguns. An assault rifle is overkill for self-defence and hunting, and was developed to kill many people in a short space of time in warfare.

All weapons are made to kill. wtf are you talking about?

[Telconi]

That’s weapons in general. Did you know that the Germans wanted to ban pump action shotguns from use in war because they deemed them ‘weapons of mass destruction’ because of how damaging at close range they where. Wan to ban pump action shotguns, probably the most common type of gun in civilian hands?

Well, I'd draw the line at handguns and shotguns. An assault rifle is overkill for self-defence and hunting, and was developed to kill many people in a short space of time in warfare.

How is it overkill in self defense? And the second part is utterly irrelevant.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Well, I'd draw the line at handguns and shotguns. An assault rifle is overkill for self-defence and hunting, and was developed to kill many people in a short space of time in warfare.

All weapons are made to kill. wtf are you talking about?

I'm saying that assault rifles are not built simply for self-defence, hunting and other commonly cited reasons for gun ownership, and are perfectly adapted for purposes such as mass shootings.

[Hammer Britannia]

All weapons are made to kill. wtf are you talking about?

I'm saying that assault rifles are not built simply for self-defence, hunting and other commonly cited reasons for gun ownership, and are perfectly adapted for purposes such as mass shootings.

Buddy, nobody makes guns to shoot up schools.

Also, the AR-15 was DESIGNED for Civilian Use