Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Galloism]

I mean, there’s some. The bottom 2% maybe.

Maybe, but that's a very very small sliver of the population.

We should probably subsidize firearms for them. It’s unfortunate to not be able to exercise a constitutional right due to money.

[Telconi]

Maybe, but that's a very very small sliver of the population.

We should probably subsidize firearms for them. It’s unfortunate to not be able to exercise a constitutional right due to money.

We really ought to. I work with a group that helps low income folks get firearms. Mostly it's just helping them with the paperwork and legal issues, but occasionally we pitch in money when someone is short.

[Galloism]

We should probably subsidize firearms for them. It’s unfortunate to not be able to exercise a constitutional right due to money.

We really ought to. I work with a group that helps low income folks get firearms. Mostly it's just helping them with the paperwork and legal issues, but occasionally we pitch in money when someone is short.

That’s really good of you. You should setup a 501(c)3 for this purpose, so you can make donations to the organization which are tax deductible, then it could pitch in money when needed.

[Telconi]

We really ought to. I work with a group that helps low income folks get firearms. Mostly it's just helping them with the paperwork and legal issues, but occasionally we pitch in money when someone is short.

That’s really good of you. You should setup a 501(c)3 for this purpose, so you can make donations to the organization which are tax deductible, then it could pitch in money when needed.

Yeah, most of the folks we deal with are immigrants, and the work around getting them armed is a bit difficult. Especially if they're undocumented, we usually end up with an adult child being the purchaser.

[New haven america]

1. Actually, that would be Canada or Australia or New Zealand. The US and UK have a lot of stark differences and the UK definitely has more stereotypical European traits.
2. In the world maybe, but not among the developed nations. FFS, in a lot of the other developed nations you can even keep your door unlocked while your out of the house for hours or days at a time and not have trouble with home invasion, meanwhile, I don't even leave my door unlocked went I'm at home.
3a. Not really no, most criminals or poor people don't have a lot of cash on them either (Source: Poor person here), 3b. Nope, I didn't get my first cell phone until I was 20, and it isn't even a good one, it's a shitty $30 TracFone.

1. Definitely not New Zealand or Australia. They’re way too nice for us. Canada is closer, but I’d still say England is the closest - we modeled our government off theirs except no king.

Well, until now.

2) you literally can’t have a home invasion unless you’re home. And people who live in the countryside have been leaving their doors unlocked for centuries, in the US and other places.

3) Source, I’ve arrested people living in little shacks using meth with hundreds of dollars on their person.

4. How much do you pay per month for your tracphone?

1. No, there are almost no cultural differences between the US and those 3. Other than how government is run and healthcare, you'd be hard pressed to find any. Meanwhile, the UK is definitely European and thus has a lot of European standards and traits the other 4 don't.
2. So home invasion rates are even lower in other areas of the developed world. Cool! … Are you trying to defend the US or just make it look worse than it's already viewed, cause I can't fucking tell?
3. Since we're using anecdotes: My family has less than $150 in the bank right now (And that's only to be used for bills at the end of the month), and I'm currently a lot better off financially then my neighbors are by comparison.
4. Nothing, that's not how TracFones work. You get pre-loaded minutes and data to last throughout your plan (With mine getting renewed every June). Mine currently has 1.5/1.8 alluded memory per day used and since I have no one to call, 60 minutes out of 60 to use throughout the year.

[New haven america]

I find it hard to believe people too poor to afford a gun exist in this country.

I mean, there’s some. The bottom 2% maybe.

We should probably subsidize it. It’s unfortunate for a person to be unable to exercise a constitutional right on account of money.

Or maybe we could spend money on actually dealing with the route causes and problems that lead to demographics such as the bottom 2% like every other developed country fucking does?

No? Too Un-American? Sorry, my bad.

[The Two Jerseys]

1. Actually, that would be Canada or Australia or New Zealand. The US and UK have a lot of stark differences and the UK definitely has more stereotypical European traits.
2. In the world maybe, but not among the developed nations. FFS, in a lot of the other developed nations you can even keep your door unlocked while your out of the house for hours or days at a time and not have trouble with home invasion, meanwhile, I don't even leave my door unlocked went I'm at home.
3a. Not really no, most criminals or poor people don't have a lot of cash on them either (Source: Poor person here), 3b. Nope, I didn't get my first cell phone until I was 20, and it isn't even a good one, it's a shitty $30 TracFone.

1. Definitely not New Zealand or Australia. They’re way too nice for us. Canada is closer, but I’d still say England is the closest - we modeled our government off theirs except no king.

Well, until now.

2) you literally can’t have a home invasion unless you’re home. And people who live in the countryside have been leaving their doors unlocked for centuries, in the US and other places.

3) Source, I’ve arrested people living in little shacks using meth with hundreds of dollars on their person.

How much do you pay per month for your tracphone?

I should think that any reasonably competent criminal who isn't blowing literally all their cash on their drug habit would have no problem stealing enough to buy a gun.

[New haven america]

We should probably subsidize firearms for them. It’s unfortunate to not be able to exercise a constitutional right due to money.

We really ought to. I work with a group that helps low income folks get firearms. Mostly it's just helping them with the paperwork and legal issues, but occasionally we pitch in money when someone is short.

I would never trust any of my neighbors with fire arms.

Like, 1/4 of my neighbors are from gangs or are still currently involved, and another few are meth addicts or mentally unstable.

[Galloism]

1. Definitely not New Zealand or Australia. They’re way too nice for us. Canada is closer, but I’d still say England is the closest - we modeled our government off theirs except no king.

Well, until now.

2) you literally can’t have a home invasion unless you’re home. And people who live in the countryside have been leaving their doors unlocked for centuries, in the US and other places.

3) Source, I’ve arrested people living in little shacks using meth with hundreds of dollars on their person.

4. How much do you pay per month for your tracphone?

1. No, there are almost cultural differences between the US and those 3. Other than how government is run and healthcare, you'd be hard pressed to find any. Meanwhile, the UK is definitely European and thus has a lot of European standards and traits the other 4 don't.
2. So home invasion rates are even lower in other areas of the developed world. Cool! … Are you trying to defend the US or just make it look worse, cause I can't fucking tell?
3. since we're using anecdotes: My family has less than $150 in the bank right now (And that's only to be used for bills at the end of the month), and I'm currently a lot better off financially then my neighbors by comparison.
4. Nothing, that's not how TracFones work. You get pre-loaded minutes and data to last throughout your plan (With mine getting renewed every June). Mine currently has 1.5/1.8 alluded memory per day used and since I have no one to call, 60 minutes out of 60 to use throughout the year.

1) you can’t think of any cultural differences between us and New Zealanders? Have you ever been to New Zealand or, hell, even watched a tv show about it?

2) Home invasions are supremely rare here. In England, and a lot of the developed world, they’re fairly common.

Also, it amused me that in the list Kowani provided four of the five top burglary countries in the world were western countries with draconian gun control.

3) Congratulations - you have enough money to buy a gun. Don’t necessarily think that’s the best use of your funds, but you have them.

4) So what’s your annual cost?

[Galloism]

I mean, there’s some. The bottom 2% maybe.

We should probably subsidize it. It’s unfortunate for a person to be unable to exercise a constitutional right on account of money.

Or maybe we could spend money on actually dealing with the route causes and problems that lead to demographics such as the bottom 2% like every other developed country fucking does?

No? Too Un-American? Sorry, my bad.

That’s a good idea too, and would gradually make such a subsidy program obsolete.

Also, I would like to add a firearms class to every high school in America. It’s not fair to children to have parents who demonize their rights and they have no opportunity to see if they want to.

I’d make it part of civics.

[The Two Jerseys]

Or maybe we could spend money on actually dealing with the route causes and problems that lead to demographics such as the bottom 2% like every other developed country fucking does?

No? Too Un-American? Sorry, my bad.

That’s a good idea too, and would gradually make such a subsidy program obsolete.

Also, I would like to add a firearms class to every high school in America. It’s not fair to children to have parents who demonize their rights and they have no opportunity to see if they want to.

I’d make it part of civics.

Next step: actually teach civics.

[Galloism]

1. Definitely not New Zealand or Australia. They’re way too nice for us. Canada is closer, but I’d still say England is the closest - we modeled our government off theirs except no king.

Well, until now.

2) you literally can’t have a home invasion unless you’re home. And people who live in the countryside have been leaving their doors unlocked for centuries, in the US and other places.

3) Source, I’ve arrested people living in little shacks using meth with hundreds of dollars on their person.

How much do you pay per month for your tracphone?

I should think that any reasonably competent criminal who isn't blowing literally all their cash on their drug habit would have no problem stealing enough to buy a gun.

I mean, one or two robberies and you have enough for a gun - England or here.

[Galloism]

That’s a good idea too, and would gradually make such a subsidy program obsolete.

Also, I would like to add a firearms class to every high school in America. It’s not fair to children to have parents who demonize their rights and they have no opportunity to see if they want to.

I’d make it part of civics.

Next step: actually teach civics.

I think YMMV on that. We had civics.

[New haven america]

1. No, there are almost cultural differences between the US and those 3. Other than how government is run and healthcare, you'd be hard pressed to find any. Meanwhile, the UK is definitely European and thus has a lot of European standards and traits the other 4 don't.
2. So home invasion rates are even lower in other areas of the developed world. Cool! … Are you trying to defend the US or just make it look worse, cause I can't fucking tell?
3. since we're using anecdotes: My family has less than $150 in the bank right now (And that's only to be used for bills at the end of the month), and I'm currently a lot better off financially then my neighbors by comparison.
4. Nothing, that's not how TracFones work. You get pre-loaded minutes and data to last throughout your plan (With mine getting renewed every June). Mine currently has 1.5/1.8 alluded memory per day used and since I have no one to call, 60 minutes out of 60 to use throughout the year.

1) you can’t think of any cultural differences between us and New Zealanders? Have you ever been to New Zealand or, hell, even watched a tv show about it?

2) Home invasions are supremely rare here. In England, and a lot of the developed world, they’re fairly common.

Also, it amused me that in the list Kowani provided four of the five top burglary countries in the world were western countries with draconian gun control.

3) Congratulations - you have enough money to buy a gun. Don’t necessarily think that’s the best use of your funds, but you have them.

4) So what’s your annual cost?

1. New Zealand: They use the metric system and drive on the left side of the road... Yeah, other than healthcare or having a parliament (I've already come up with that), that's all I can come up with. Their general nationwide personality is a lot closer to that of Canada though, with Australia being closer to the US, I will admit. Edit!: Wait, forgot, sorry, they banned guns nationwide, my bad.
2. Only in rich areas or places where everyone knows each other.
3. No, I don't. That's bill money which my family is barely able to pay, not spending money. I don't have enough to get a gun.
4. 'Bout $30 a year, give or take.

[Galloism]

1) you can’t think of any cultural differences between us and New Zealanders? Have you ever been to New Zealand or, hell, even watched a tv show about it?

2) Home invasions are supremely rare here. In England, and a lot of the developed world, they’re fairly common.

Also, it amused me that in the list Kowani provided four of the five top burglary countries in the world were western countries with draconian gun control.

3) Congratulations - you have enough money to buy a gun. Don’t necessarily think that’s the best use of your funds, but you have them.

4) So what’s your annual cost?

1. New Zealand: They use the metric system and drive on the left side of the road... Yeah, other than healthcare or having a parliament, that's all I can come up with. Their general nationwide personality is a lot closer to that of Canada though, with Australia being closer to the US, I will admit.
2. Only in rich areas or places where everyone knows each other.
3. No, I don't. That's bill money which my family is barely able to pay, not spending money. I don't have enough to get a gun and certainly don't have enough to get a certain electric supercar...
4. 'Bout $30 a year, give or take.

1) They have a completely different worldview when it comes to rights, responsibilities, authority, and censorship. We’re probably closer to Jamaica than New Zealand.

2) Home invasions are a rich people problem in England, so fuck them?

3) The roadster is sadly out of my price range too. But still, you could get a gun if you wanted. You might have to save for it, but it’s a durable good. Once you have it, you have it.

4) Wow, that’s actually surprisingly cheap.

[Telconi]

I mean, there’s some. The bottom 2% maybe.

We should probably subsidize it. It’s unfortunate for a person to be unable to exercise a constitutional right on account of money.

Or maybe we could spend money on actually dealing with the route causes and problems that lead to demographics such as the bottom 2% like every other developed country fucking does?

No? Too Un-American? Sorry, my bad.

Well I mean social programs ought to address both the root issues, but also the immediate symptoms. It's like the difference between employment assistance agencies and food stamps.

[Galloism]

That’s really good of you. You should setup a 501(c)3 for this purpose, so you can make donations to the organization which are tax deductible, then it could pitch in money when needed.

Yeah, most of the folks we deal with are immigrants, and the work around getting them armed is a bit difficult. Especially if they're undocumented, we usually end up with an adult child being the purchaser.

So I was thinking about this some more. I was being funny, but it’s actually not a bad idea. I haven’t filed a not for profit application in a few years, but I still remember how. If you’d be interested to setup an organization for this, I can do the paperwork.

It’s a good cause.

[New haven america]

1. New Zealand: They use the metric system and drive on the left side of the road... Yeah, other than healthcare or having a parliament, that's all I can come up with. Their general nationwide personality is a lot closer to that of Canada though, with Australia being closer to the US, I will admit.
2. Only in rich areas or places where everyone knows each other.
3. No, I don't. That's bill money which my family is barely able to pay, not spending money. I don't have enough to get a gun and certainly don't have enough to get a certain electric supercar...
4. 'Bout $30 a year, give or take.

1) They have a completely different worldview when it comes to rights, responsibilities, authority, and censorship. We’re probably closer to Jamaica than New Zealand.

2) Home invasions are a rich people problem in England, so fuck them?

3) The roadster is sadly out of my price range too. But still, you could get a gun if you wanted. You might have to save for it, but it’s a durable good. Once you have it, you have it.

4) Wow, that’s actually surprisingly cheap.

1. Not really, no. Superficial things, sure, but overall there's basically no difference. (And I ask again, are you trying to defend or berate the US, it's hard to tell?)
2. I said that home invasions are rare in rich areas in the US, in poor areas of the US they're pretty common considering most houses in poor areas are basically shacks and condemned buildings.
3. No, I could not. My family doesn't make enough money to save. Hell, the only reason I had enough to get a phone or computer was because of the refund checks from my financial aid, but even then, you can eat that thing up in a month with problems that need to be fixed.
4. Works pretty ok and is more durable than most smartphones. Battery's a bit shit if you overuse it though. Other then that, yeah, it was a pretty good deal, and is the only reason my family got it (Because we cannot afford new or even last gen Samsungs, iPhones, etc...).

[Galloism]

1) They have a completely different worldview when it comes to rights, responsibilities, authority, and censorship. We’re probably closer to Jamaica than New Zealand.

2) Home invasions are a rich people problem in England, so fuck them?

3) The roadster is sadly out of my price range too. But still, you could get a gun if you wanted. You might have to save for it, but it’s a durable good. Once you have it, you have it.

4) Wow, that’s actually surprisingly cheap.

1. Not really, no. Superficial things, sure, but overall there's basically no difference.
2. I said that home invasions are rare in rich areas in the US, in poor areas of the US they're pretty common considering most houses in poor areas are basically shacks and condemned buildings.
3. No, I could not. My family doesn't make enough money to save. Hell, the only reason I had enough to get a phone or computer was because of the refund checks from my financial aid, but even then, you can eat that thing up in a month with problems that need to be fixed.
4. Works pretty ok and is more durable than most smartphones. Battery's a bit shit if you overuse it though. Other then that, yeah, it was a pretty good deal, and is the only reason my family got it (Because we cannot afford new or even last gen Samsungs, iPhones, etc...).

1) We speak the same language. That’s superficial. Having a fundamentally different worldview is not superficial.

2) Source? Because I provided one showing they’re rare in the US overall, and why.

3) So you could have gotten one with your refund check from your financial aid.

4) Fair enough. I think you should get a subsidy to get armed if you want to. It’s not fair to be priced out of a constitutional right.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You can literally get a Hi-Point for a hundred bucks if you wait for a sale lol, nobody is too poor to afford one of those.

[New haven america]

1. Not really, no. Superficial things, sure, but overall there's basically no difference.
2. I said that home invasions are rare in rich areas in the US, in poor areas of the US they're pretty common considering most houses in poor areas are basically shacks and condemned buildings.
3. No, I could not. My family doesn't make enough money to save. Hell, the only reason I had enough to get a phone or computer was because of the refund checks from my financial aid, but even then, you can eat that thing up in a month with problems that need to be fixed.
4. Works pretty ok and is more durable than most smartphones. Battery's a bit shit if you overuse it though. Other then that, yeah, it was a pretty good deal, and is the only reason my family got it (Because we cannot afford new or even last gen Samsungs, iPhones, etc...).

1) We speak the same language. That’s superficial. Having a fundamentally different worldview is not superficial.

2) Source? Because I provided one showing they’re rare in the US overall, and why.

3) So you could have gotten one with your refund check from your financial aid.

4) Fair enough. I think you should get a subsidy to get armed if you want to. It’s not fair to be priced out of a constitutional right.

1. No, language isn't superficial, it generally means a shared history or experience, which the US and New Zealand do as colonies of the UK (As does Jamaica, actually).
2. Kowani already provided one, so...
3. I could not have, the last one was spent mostly on car work and food.
4. I don't want to and The 2nd Amendment wasn't a right for all Americans, it was to keep the country somewhat defended while it was creating a formal military, but we've already been over this before, so I doubt it'll change anyone's opinion on this subject.

[Kowani]

1. Not really, no. Superficial things, sure, but overall there's basically no difference.
2. I said that home invasions are rare in rich areas in the US, in poor areas of the US they're pretty common considering most houses in poor areas are basically shacks and condemned buildings.
3. No, I could not. My family doesn't make enough money to save. Hell, the only reason I had enough to get a phone or computer was because of the refund checks from my financial aid, but even then, you can eat that thing up in a month with problems that need to be fixed.
4. Works pretty ok and is more durable than most smartphones. Battery's a bit shit if you overuse it though. Other then that, yeah, it was a pretty good deal, and is the only reason my family got it (Because we cannot afford new or even last gen Samsungs, iPhones, etc...).

1) We speak the same language. That’s superficial. Having a fundamentally different worldview is not superficial.

2) Source? Because I provided one showing they’re rare in the US overall, and why.

3) So you could have gotten one with your refund check from your financial aid.

4) Fair enough. I think you should get a subsidy to get armed if you want to. It’s not fair to be priced out of a constitutional right.

The US Constitution has never been based around positive rights.

[Galloism]

1) We speak the same language. That’s superficial. Having a fundamentally different worldview is not superficial.

2) Source? Because I provided one showing they’re rare in the US overall, and why.

3) So you could have gotten one with your refund check from your financial aid.

4) Fair enough. I think you should get a subsidy to get armed if you want to. It’s not fair to be priced out of a constitutional right.

1. No, language isn't superficial, it generally means a shared history or experience, which the US and New Zealand do as colonies of the UK (As does Jamaica, actually).
2. Kowani already provided one, so...
3. I could not have, the last one was spent mostly on car work and food.
4. I don't want to and The 2nd Amendment wasn't a right for all Americans, it was to keep the country somewhat defended while it was creating a formal military, but we've already been over this before, so I doubt it'll change anyone's opinion on this subject.

1) By that metric, Venezuela is a good model for Spain.

2) No he hasn’t. He provided one about burglaries, which showed the US high, but lower than a number of high gun control countries. Home invasions are something different.

3) And a computer, which probably cost more than a gun

4) Yeah, “right of the people” doesn’t mean people like every other place in the constitution.

[Galloism]

1) We speak the same language. That’s superficial. Having a fundamentally different worldview is not superficial.

2) Source? Because I provided one showing they’re rare in the US overall, and why.

3) So you could have gotten one with your refund check from your financial aid.

4) Fair enough. I think you should get a subsidy to get armed if you want to. It’s not fair to be priced out of a constitutional right.

The US Constitution has never been based around positive rights.

Didn’t say it was.

I also support food stamps, even though the constitution says nothing about food at all.

[Telconi]

1) We speak the same language. That’s superficial. Having a fundamentally different worldview is not superficial.

2) Source? Because I provided one showing they’re rare in the US overall, and why.

3) So you could have gotten one with your refund check from your financial aid.

4) Fair enough. I think you should get a subsidy to get armed if you want to. It’s not fair to be priced out of a constitutional right.

The US Constitution has never been based around positive rights.

Doesn't mean we can't pass laws which assist in supplying them positively.