Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So, over the weekend gov. Abbott signed a bunch of executive orders on law enforcement that will supposedly help prevent mass shootings.
Predictably, the left is butthurt he didn’t ban assault weapons(whatever that term actually means), which begs the question- we know they don’t know how guns work. Do they also not know how executive orders work?

They don't care. People still have liberty and that angers them.

Remember, executive orders are tyrannical and override congress when Trump does it, but are fine when it's anti-liberty.

[Telconi]

They don't care. People still have liberty and that angers them.

Remember, executive orders are tyrannical and override congress when Trump does it, but are fine when it's anti-liberty.

It's all about how important it is to oppress the people.

[Pax Nerdvana]

They don't care. People still have liberty and that angers them.

Remember, executive orders are tyrannical and override congress when Trump does it, but are fine when it's anti-liberty.

Gun control is about taking away liberty and the power of the people. It's not about safety.

[Gig em Aggies]

Remember, executive orders are tyrannical and override congress when Trump does it, but are fine when it's anti-liberty.

Gun control is about taking away liberty and the power of the people. It's not about safety.

I feel like all this anti-2nd amendment bills from California and the Democrats, I feel like I'm in a thread on a particular website that's tells accounts about choosing beggars and entitled people

[Grinning Dragon]

Pretty much the only guarantee that legislative gun control has produced at the local/state/federal level is; death and misery. Beyond that, gun control isn't worth the paper its written on.

[Gig em Aggies]

Pretty much the only guarantee that legislative gun control has produced at the local/state/federal level is; death and misery. Beyond that, gun control isn't worth the paper its written on.

you know what's funny think about all the trees they massacred with high capacity murder chainsaws to end up wasting it on useless bills talk about "environmentally friendly"

[Grinning Dragon]

Pretty much the only guarantee that legislative gun control has produced at the local/state/federal level is; death and misery. Beyond that, gun control isn't worth the paper its written on.

you know what's funny think about all the trees they massacred with high capacity murder chainsaws to end up wasting it on useless bills talk about "environmentally friendly"

Welp who knew gun control wrecks the environment, see folks gun control not only gets people killed, it is also responsible for deforestation, them bastards!

In other news, low IQ parasite cory booker has a new unconstitutional bill/idea.
New Bill Would Require Gun Owners to get 5 year Federal License

The measure, dubbed the Federal Firearm Licensing Act, would require individuals who want to buy or receive a firearm to first get vetted by and be issued a license from the U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to an extensive background check, applicants would have to complete firearms training “which must include a written test and hands-on training to ensure safe use and accuracy,” and submit fingerprints. Further, the licensee would have to report to DOJ the make, model, and the serial number of the gun being transferred.

The license would have to be renewed every five years, to include refresher training and a subsequent background check. No license, no guns.

I don't see this one getting out of committee, but goes to show you the lengths of how much those hate individual rights/freedoms and want to turn them into privileges

[Pax Nerdvana]

you know what's funny think about all the trees they massacred with high capacity murder chainsaws to end up wasting it on useless bills talk about "environmentally friendly"

Welp who knew gun control wrecks the environment, see folks gun control not only gets people killed, it is also responsible for deforestation, them bastards!

In other news, low IQ parasite cory booker has a new unconstitutional bill/idea.
New Bill Would Require Gun Owners to get 5 year Federal License

The measure, dubbed the Federal Firearm Licensing Act, would require individuals who want to buy or receive a firearm to first get vetted by and be issued a license from the U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to an extensive background check, applicants would have to complete firearms training “which must include a written test and hands-on training to ensure safe use and accuracy,” and submit fingerprints. Further, the licensee would have to report to DOJ the make, model, and the serial number of the gun being transferred.

The license would have to be renewed every five years, to include refresher training and a subsequent background check. No license, no guns.

I don't see this one getting out of committee, but goes to show you the lengths of how much those hate individual rights/freedoms and want to turn them into privileges

I hope it dies in committee. We need to find a way to make a stand for freedom.

[Paddy O Fernature]

you know what's funny think about all the trees they massacred with high capacity murder chainsaws to end up wasting it on useless bills talk about "environmentally friendly"

Welp who knew gun control wrecks the environment, see folks gun control not only gets people killed, it is also responsible for deforestation, them bastards!

In other news, low IQ parasite cory booker has a new unconstitutional bill/idea.
New Bill Would Require Gun Owners to get 5 year Federal License

The measure, dubbed the Federal Firearm Licensing Act, would require individuals who want to buy or receive a firearm to first get vetted by and be issued a license from the U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to an extensive background check, applicants would have to complete firearms training “which must include a written test and hands-on training to ensure safe use and accuracy,” and submit fingerprints. Further, the licensee would have to report to DOJ the make, model, and the serial number of the gun being transferred.

The license would have to be renewed every five years, to include refresher training and a subsequent background check. No license, no guns.

I don't see this one getting out of committee, but goes to show you the lengths of how much those hate individual rights/freedoms and want to turn them into privileges

And this is somehow ok, yet providing ANY form of government issued ID before being able to register to vote is absolutely unthinkable and clearly a sign that the right is literally Hitler.

........

Have we reached the point yet where we have earned to right to tell them openly and to their smug faces to shut the fuck up yet?

[Ors Might]

you know what's funny think about all the trees they massacred with high capacity murder chainsaws to end up wasting it on useless bills talk about "environmentally friendly"

Welp who knew gun control wrecks the environment, see folks gun control not only gets people killed, it is also responsible for deforestation, them bastards!

In other news, low IQ parasite cory booker has a new unconstitutional bill/idea.
New Bill Would Require Gun Owners to get 5 year Federal License

The measure, dubbed the Federal Firearm Licensing Act, would require individuals who want to buy or receive a firearm to first get vetted by and be issued a license from the U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to an extensive background check, applicants would have to complete firearms training “which must include a written test and hands-on training to ensure safe use and accuracy,” and submit fingerprints. Further, the licensee would have to report to DOJ the make, model, and the serial number of the gun being transferred.

The license would have to be renewed every five years, to include refresher training and a subsequent background check. No license, no guns.

I don't see this one getting out of committee, but goes to show you the lengths of how much those hate individual rights/freedoms and want to turn them into privileges

He has to realize what sort of precedent that would set, right? He has to know the sort of consequences that giving the state the precedent to license away tour enumerated rights would have. Booker can’t be this dense.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Welp who knew gun control wrecks the environment, see folks gun control not only gets people killed, it is also responsible for deforestation, them bastards!

In other news, low IQ parasite cory booker has a new unconstitutional bill/idea.
New Bill Would Require Gun Owners to get 5 year Federal License


I don't see this one getting out of committee, but goes to show you the lengths of how much those hate individual rights/freedoms and want to turn them into privileges

He has to realize what sort of precedent that would set, right? He has to know the sort of consequences that giving the state the precedent to license away tour enumerated rights would have. Booker can’t be this dense.

These days, I'm pretty sure that the "D" in front of his name and those like him stands exactly for just that.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Welp who knew gun control wrecks the environment, see folks gun control not only gets people killed, it is also responsible for deforestation, them bastards!

In other news, low IQ parasite cory booker has a new unconstitutional bill/idea.
New Bill Would Require Gun Owners to get 5 year Federal License


I don't see this one getting out of committee, but goes to show you the lengths of how much those hate individual rights/freedoms and want to turn them into privileges

He has to realize what sort of precedent that would set, right? He has to know the sort of consequences that giving the state the precedent to license away tour enumerated rights would have. Booker can’t be this dense.

I think he may be. People don't understand the importance of freedom.

[Grinning Dragon]

Welp who knew gun control wrecks the environment, see folks gun control not only gets people killed, it is also responsible for deforestation, them bastards!

In other news, low IQ parasite cory booker has a new unconstitutional bill/idea.
New Bill Would Require Gun Owners to get 5 year Federal License


I don't see this one getting out of committee, but goes to show you the lengths of how much those hate individual rights/freedoms and want to turn them into privileges

And this is somehow ok, yet providing ANY form of government issued ID before being able to register to vote is absolutely unthinkable and clearly a sign that the right is literally Hitler.

........

Have we reached the point yet where we have earned to right to tell them openly and to their smug faces to shut the fuck up yet?

Also to note, his idea would also disproportionately affect the poor and minorities, a group of people booker so roundly says he wants to lift up. The guy is a fucking hypocrite and proves he doesn't give a shit about the lil guy.

Also to note, the house passed a bunch of anti gun bullshit, that won't do a damn thing other than fuck over the citizens.
Dem-Controlled House Passes Magazine Ban And More

The U.S. House of Representatives passed three gun control bills on Tuesday, ramping up the pressure on the U.S. Senate to “do something” now that Congress has returned from its legislative session. The three bills include a measure offering grants to states to set up “red flag” laws, a prohibition on gun ownership for those convicted of misdemeanor hate crimes, and a ban on magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Later this month the House Judiciary Committee is also expected to pass a sweeping ban on semi-automatic firearms and magazines over 10 rounds.

What I want to know, where did this arbitrary number of 10 come from? 10 is ok, 11 is mass death and destruction? fucking anti gunners, their logic is legendary.

[Paddy O Fernature]

And this is somehow ok, yet providing ANY form of government issued ID before being able to register to vote is absolutely unthinkable and clearly a sign that the right is literally Hitler.

........

Have we reached the point yet where we have earned to right to tell them openly and to their smug faces to shut the fuck up yet?

Also to note, his idea would also disproportionately affect the poor and minorities, a group of people booker so roundly says he wants to lift up. The guy is a fucking hypocrite and proves he doesn't give a shit about the lil guy.

Also to note, the house passed a bunch of anti gun bullshit, that won't do a damn thing other than fuck over the citizens.
Dem-Controlled House Passes Magazine Ban And More

The U.S. House of Representatives passed three gun control bills on Tuesday, ramping up the pressure on the U.S. Senate to “do something” now that Congress has returned from its legislative session. The three bills include a measure offering grants to states to set up “red flag” laws, a prohibition on gun ownership for those convicted of misdemeanor hate crimes, and a ban on magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Later this month the House Judiciary Committee is also expected to pass a sweeping ban on semi-automatic firearms and magazines over 10 rounds.

What I want to know, where did this arbitrary number of 10 come from? 10 is ok, 11 is mass death and destruction? fucking anti gunners, their logic is legendary.

What's cute is that they actually think that not only will these laughable laws actually do anything to curb mass shootings, but that people will follow them.

As for the number 10, I most often hear uneducated/ignorant anti gunners spouting off the phrase "Well you don't need more then ten rounds to hunt with. What you gonna do, shred the deer you baby killing terrorist murderer!" or some other form of that bullshit claim. So my guess based upon their lack of logic is that it stems from there somewhere. However, that simply isn't the case and we all know it, not that they will give two shits as they all are apparently allergic to actual facts.

[Diopolis]

And this is somehow ok, yet providing ANY form of government issued ID before being able to register to vote is absolutely unthinkable and clearly a sign that the right is literally Hitler.

........

Have we reached the point yet where we have earned to right to tell them openly and to their smug faces to shut the fuck up yet?

Also to note, his idea would also disproportionately affect the poor and minorities, a group of people booker so roundly says he wants to lift up. The guy is a fucking hypocrite and proves he doesn't give a shit about the lil guy.

Also to note, the house passed a bunch of anti gun bullshit, that won't do a damn thing other than fuck over the citizens.
Dem-Controlled House Passes Magazine Ban And More

The U.S. House of Representatives passed three gun control bills on Tuesday, ramping up the pressure on the U.S. Senate to “do something” now that Congress has returned from its legislative session. The three bills include a measure offering grants to states to set up “red flag” laws, a prohibition on gun ownership for those convicted of misdemeanor hate crimes, and a ban on magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Later this month the House Judiciary Committee is also expected to pass a sweeping ban on semi-automatic firearms and magazines over 10 rounds.

What I want to know, where did this arbitrary number of 10 come from? 10 is ok, 11 is mass death and destruction? fucking anti gunners, their logic is legendary.

I think it stems from their complete lack of knowledge on guns. I mean, do these people know how easy it is to change a magazine(hint- it takes less than a second).

[Diopolis]

you know what's funny think about all the trees they massacred with high capacity murder chainsaws to end up wasting it on useless bills talk about "environmentally friendly"

Welp who knew gun control wrecks the environment, see folks gun control not only gets people killed, it is also responsible for deforestation, them bastards!

In other news, low IQ parasite cory booker has a new unconstitutional bill/idea.
New Bill Would Require Gun Owners to get 5 year Federal License

The measure, dubbed the Federal Firearm Licensing Act, would require individuals who want to buy or receive a firearm to first get vetted by and be issued a license from the U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to an extensive background check, applicants would have to complete firearms training “which must include a written test and hands-on training to ensure safe use and accuracy,” and submit fingerprints. Further, the licensee would have to report to DOJ the make, model, and the serial number of the gun being transferred.

The license would have to be renewed every five years, to include refresher training and a subsequent background check. No license, no guns.

I don't see this one getting out of committee, but goes to show you the lengths of how much those hate individual rights/freedoms and want to turn them into privileges

I’m not opposed to gun licenses, but this is pretty stupid.
It’s also obviously booker just trying to prove his leftist street cred to boost his poll numbers in the presidential election.

[Grinning Dragon]

Welp who knew gun control wrecks the environment, see folks gun control not only gets people killed, it is also responsible for deforestation, them bastards!

In other news, low IQ parasite cory booker has a new unconstitutional bill/idea.
New Bill Would Require Gun Owners to get 5 year Federal License


I don't see this one getting out of committee, but goes to show you the lengths of how much those hate individual rights/freedoms and want to turn them into privileges

I’m not opposed to gun licenses, but this is pretty stupid.
It’s also obviously booker just trying to prove his leftist street cred to boost his poll numbers in the presidential election.

I'm not a big fan of licensing enumerated negative rights, never have been, never will be. Licensing is still treating a right as a privilege and such a scheme still doesn't promise safety, look at licensed drivers. Such schemes only serve to give govt more authority, an authority the beast does not deserve nor is entitled too.
I do agree with your last part of your post.

[The Emerald Legion]

Welp who knew gun control wrecks the environment, see folks gun control not only gets people killed, it is also responsible for deforestation, them bastards!

In other news, low IQ parasite cory booker has a new unconstitutional bill/idea.
New Bill Would Require Gun Owners to get 5 year Federal License


I don't see this one getting out of committee, but goes to show you the lengths of how much those hate individual rights/freedoms and want to turn them into privileges

I’m not opposed to gun licenses, but this is pretty stupid.
It’s also obviously booker just trying to prove his leftist street cred to boost his poll numbers in the presidential election.

I honestly don't see a point in licensing. To expand on what GD said... Look at Drivers. You get your driver's license by driving very carefully...

Once.

This does not guarantee you will remain a perfect driver forever.

[Diopolis]

I’m not opposed to gun licenses, but this is pretty stupid.
It’s also obviously booker just trying to prove his leftist street cred to boost his poll numbers in the presidential election.

I honestly don't see a point in licensing. To expand on what GD said... Look at Drivers. You get your driver's license by driving very carefully...

Once.

This does not guarantee you will remain a perfect driver forever.

Gun licenses in different countries have different requirements, but they’re all basically a means of enforcing a universal background check requirement. Now guns are a little bit different from cars because they’re much safer- the average driver will get in multiple accidents over the course of his driving career- so keeping guns out of the hands of people who intend to misuse them- the Johnny the cop stabbers of this world- is and should be the main goal of any gun regulations. Empirically shall issue licenses are the best way of doing that in otherwise law abiding countries.
To be clear, I’m not a fan of Australia style ‘fuck you, I don’t like guns’. And in all honesty I think a system a bit like Switzerland but looser(keep the licenses, lose the registration/arbitrary restrictions on what a civilian can own, add LTC) is probably my ideal. And it does, in Switzerland, provide a pretty good balance between gun rights and public safety.

[The Emerald Legion]

I honestly don't see a point in licensing. To expand on what GD said... Look at Drivers. You get your driver's license by driving very carefully...

Once.

This does not guarantee you will remain a perfect driver forever.

Gun licenses in different countries have different requirements, but they’re all basically a means of enforcing a universal background check requirement. Now guns are a little bit different from cars because they’re much safer- the average driver will get in multiple accidents over the course of his driving career- so keeping guns out of the hands of people who intend to misuse them- the Johnny the cop stabbers of this world- is and should be the main goal of any gun regulations. Empirically shall issue licenses are the best way of doing that in otherwise law abiding countries.
To be clear, I’m not a fan of Australia style ‘fuck you, I don’t like guns’. And in all honesty I think a system a bit like Switzerland but looser(keep the licenses, lose the registration/arbitrary restrictions on what a civilian can own, add LTC) is probably my ideal. And it does, in Switzerland, provide a pretty good balance between gun rights and public safety.

I mean. Personally I'm of the camp that we shouldn't have any regulations whatsoever on weapons.

The whole point of the second amendment is that the people have the right to privately owned military force. For that military force to be relevant it must necessarily have the same tools at it's disposal.

So in essence, if the Military can have it, the private citizen can have it. No questions asked. No licensing needed. No 'taxes' necessary.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

What in the ass fuck?
Trump Admin Is Considering Using Amazon Echo And Apple Watch To Determine If Citizens Should Own A Gun
So basically a social credit score? Dangerous, very dangerous path here.

Daily reminder, the Republicans are not your friends, they're just less determined enemies.

Unfortunately, that is true. We need a third party.

[Great Mojave]

Daily reminder, the Republicans are not your friends, they're just less determined enemies.

Unfortunately, that is true. We need a third party.

We do. It's just that no one wants to vote for them because of their almost religious devotion to the two-party system.

[Tarsonis]

Unfortunately, that is true. We need a third party.

We do. It's just that no one wants to vote for them because of their almost religious devotion to the two-party system.

Ross Perot got the closest anyone’s ever been

[Grinning Dragon]

Daily reminder, the Republicans are not your friends, they're just less determined enemies.

Unfortunately, that is true. We need a third party.

Quite the coincidence this popped up after I was reading about H.R. 838 Threat Assessment, Prevention, and Safety Act of 2019 (“TAPS Act”)
The Firearms Policy Coalition has written up a useful summary of the bill’s provisions that everyone should read.

The Threat Assessment, Prevention, and Safety Act of 2019 (“TAPS Act”) is a legislative proposal introduced as H.R. 838 in the wake of, and in response to, highly televised mass murders. The Act’s purported purpose is “[t]o develop a national strategy to prevent targeted violence through behavioral threat assessment and management, and for other purposes.”

To develop a “national strategy,” the bill would establish a task force consisting of 24 unelected, generally unsupervised individuals who are free to change their own operating rules and procedures at a moment’s notice. The Task Force would provide training and recommendations on how to use state and local assets to build databases of information on private people, to collaborate with private entities (including social media companies) and schools to do the same, and on using mental health professionals to “assist” in assessing threats.”

The terms defined in the TAPS Act are murky not because of poor drafting, but because this bill is an attempt to establish a domestic surveillance program to monitor private people. When the goal is to collect information for the purpose of building massive databases, vague terms are government’s best friend. Especially when the officials implementing the scheme would largely be the same ones interpreting it.

The Act would give the Department of Homeland Security the authority to issue grants to “eligible entities” in order to encourage those entities to hand information to “fusion centers,” which are defined as collaborative efforts of state, federal, and local governments “with the goal of maximizing the ability of such agencies to detect, prevent, investigate, apprehend, and respond to criminal or terrorist activity.” The government could then use the data it collected to build behavioral models based on otherwise harmless behavior such as purchasing two handguns in one month. That model could then be used to target unwitting, innocent gun owners as potential “threats.”

The TAPS Act is potentially disastrous for those intent on exercising their right to keep and bear arms, and assuredly catastrophic for the privacy rights reserved to the People under the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments.

I'm against this as well. No, just NO!

[Pax Nerdvana]

Unfortunately, that is true. We need a third party.

Quite the coincidence this popped up after I was reading about H.R. 838 Threat Assessment, Prevention, and Safety Act of 2019 (“TAPS Act”)
The Firearms Policy Coalition has written up a useful summary of the bill’s provisions that everyone should read.

The Threat Assessment, Prevention, and Safety Act of 2019 (“TAPS Act”) is a legislative proposal introduced as H.R. 838 in the wake of, and in response to, highly televised mass murders. The Act’s purported purpose is “[t]o develop a national strategy to prevent targeted violence through behavioral threat assessment and management, and for other purposes.”

To develop a “national strategy,” the bill would establish a task force consisting of 24 unelected, generally unsupervised individuals who are free to change their own operating rules and procedures at a moment’s notice. The Task Force would provide training and recommendations on how to use state and local assets to build databases of information on private people, to collaborate with private entities (including social media companies) and schools to do the same, and on using mental health professionals to “assist” in assessing threats.”

The terms defined in the TAPS Act are murky not because of poor drafting, but because this bill is an attempt to establish a domestic surveillance program to monitor private people. When the goal is to collect information for the purpose of building massive databases, vague terms are government’s best friend. Especially when the officials implementing the scheme would largely be the same ones interpreting it.

The Act would give the Department of Homeland Security the authority to issue grants to “eligible entities” in order to encourage those entities to hand information to “fusion centers,” which are defined as collaborative efforts of state, federal, and local governments “with the goal of maximizing the ability of such agencies to detect, prevent, investigate, apprehend, and respond to criminal or terrorist activity.” The government could then use the data it collected to build behavioral models based on otherwise harmless behavior such as purchasing two handguns in one month. That model could then be used to target unwitting, innocent gun owners as potential “threats.”

The TAPS Act is potentially disastrous for those intent on exercising their right to keep and bear arms, and assuredly catastrophic for the privacy rights reserved to the People under the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments.

I'm against this as well. No, just NO!

George Orwell is spinning in his grave. Privacy and freedom should be held sacred, not trampled upon.

Gun licenses in different countries have different requirements, but they’re all basically a means of enforcing a universal background check requirement. Now guns are a little bit different from cars because they’re much safer- the average driver will get in multiple accidents over the course of his driving career- so keeping guns out of the hands of people who intend to misuse them- the Johnny the cop stabbers of this world- is and should be the main goal of any gun regulations. Empirically shall issue licenses are the best way of doing that in otherwise law abiding countries.
To be clear, I’m not a fan of Australia style ‘fuck you, I don’t like guns’. And in all honesty I think a system a bit like Switzerland but looser(keep the licenses, lose the registration/arbitrary restrictions on what a civilian can own, add LTC) is probably my ideal. And it does, in Switzerland, provide a pretty good balance between gun rights and public safety.

I mean. Personally I'm of the camp that we shouldn't have any regulations whatsoever on weapons.

The whole point of the second amendment is that the people have the right to privately owned military force. For that military force to be relevant it must necessarily have the same tools at it's disposal.

So in essence, if the Military can have it, the private citizen can have it. No questions asked. No licensing needed. No 'taxes' necessary.

^this.