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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:03 am

Arizona has very loose gun laws but the simple possession of nunchucks is illegal.

If you took 2 pistols and welded a length of chain between them, would the resulting device be legal or illegal? Discuss.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:05 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Arizona has very loose gun laws but the simple possession of nunchucks is illegal.

If you took 2 pistols and welded a length of chain between them, would the resulting device be legal or illegal? Discuss.


no, because those two pistols are now a set.
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:05 am

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Postby Crockerland » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:10 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Arizona has very loose gun laws but the simple possession of nunchucks is illegal.

Unconstitutional.
Fartsniffage wrote:If you took 2 pistols and welded a length of chain between them, would the resulting device be legal or illegal? Discuss.

According to CNN (fake news!) nunchucks were defined as "two or more sticks, clubs, bars or rods to be used as handles, connected by a rope, cord, wire or chain, in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense." A pistol is not a stick, club, bar, or rod, so this device would be legal.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:12 am

Crockerland wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Arizona has very loose gun laws but the simple possession of nunchucks is illegal.

Unconstitutional.
Fartsniffage wrote:If you took 2 pistols and welded a length of chain between them, would the resulting device be legal or illegal? Discuss.

According to CNN (fake news!) nunchucks were defined as "two or more sticks, clubs, bars or rods to be used as handles, connected by a rope, cord, wire or chain, in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense." A pistol is not a stick, club, bar, or rod, so this device would be legal.


A pistol can most definitely be used as a club.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:13 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Unconstitutional.

According to CNN (fake news!) nunchucks were defined as "two or more sticks, clubs, bars or rods to be used as handles, connected by a rope, cord, wire or chain, in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense." A pistol is not a stick, club, bar, or rod, so this device would be legal.


A pistol can most definitely be used as a club.


only if youre Jack Bauer tbh.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:17 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
A pistol can most definitely be used as a club.


only if youre Jack Bauer tbh.

Because God forbid Jack Bauer carries some spare mags in his man purse...
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:24 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
A pistol can most definitely be used as a club.


only if youre Jack Bauer tbh.


A blackjack weighs like 7 ounces. If you can knock someone out with that then you can knock someone out with a 1911.

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Postby The Chuck » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:26 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
only if youre Jack Bauer tbh.


A blackjack weighs like 7 ounces. If you can knock someone out with that then you can knock someone out with a 1911.


I mean... I definitely could "buffalo" someone with a pistol. However, why risk destroying a perfectly functional pistol when I could just beat them with my fists?
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:55 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
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No it isn’t.

2020 is our last chance. The blood will be on your hands if you vote for Guns over Climate-And that is the most Satanic act imaginable.
I'm a Democrat solely because of Climate Change. If people threatened to nuke everyonne who didn't vote for them I'd vote against them and be proud if I died. Here, it's you guys holding everyone at gunpoint saying "Abandon Gun Control or die."

That is true tyranny. That is true satanic apathy for humanity.

That is true darkness.


That is .... your opinion.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:03 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:2020 is our last chance. The blood will be on your hands if you vote for Guns over Climate-And that is the most Satanic act imaginable.
I'm a Democrat solely because of Climate Change. If people threatened to nuke everyonne who didn't vote for them I'd vote against them and be proud if I died. Here, it's you guys holding everyone at gunpoint saying "Abandon Gun Control or die."

That is true tyranny. That is true satanic apathy for humanity.

That is true darkness.


That is .... your opinion.


Probably best to avoid people who go full Chicken Little.
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:06 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
No it isn’t.

2020 is our last chance. The blood will be on your hands if you vote for Guns over Climate-And that is the most Satanic act imaginable.
I'm a Democrat solely because of Climate Change. If people threatened to nuke everyonne who didn't vote for them I'd vote against them and be proud if I died. Here, it's you guys holding everyone at gunpoint saying "Abandon Gun Control or die."

That is true tyranny. That is true satanic apathy for humanity.

That is true darkness.

>mfw going to the voting station to vote all R's in 2020:
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:12 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Crockerland wrote:

Terrorizing and traumatizing your children so much they are afraid of fireworks epic style to own the NRA.

Agreed. Let's be honest, an average citizen has a very small chance of being the victim of a crime like that.


And a larger chance of being hurt by fireworks.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:24 am

Crockerland wrote:

Terrorizing and traumatizing your children so much they are afraid of fireworks epic style to own the NRA.


So the dumb bint, basically made up the story to drum up faux outrage over the NRA and individual rights.
Tempest in a teapot and all that.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:27 am

Crockerland wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:2020 is our last chance. The blood will be on your hands if you vote for Guns over Climate-And that is the most Satanic act imaginable.
I'm a Democrat solely because of Climate Change. If people threatened to nuke everyonne who didn't vote for them I'd vote against them and be proud if I died. Here, it's you guys holding everyone at gunpoint saying "Abandon Gun Control or die."

That is true tyranny. That is true satanic apathy for humanity.

That is true darkness.

>mfw going to the voting station to vote all R's in 2020:
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Them: *call a normal, everyday thing "fascist"*
Me: "In that case, sieg heil!"
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Crockerland wrote:

Terrorizing and traumatizing your children so much they are afraid of fireworks epic style to own the NRA.


So the dumb bint, basically made up the story to drum up faux outrage over the NRA and individual rights.
Tempest in a teapot and all that.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:06 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
No it isn’t.

2020 is our last chance. The blood will be on your hands if you vote for Guns over Climate-And that is the most Satanic act imaginable.
I'm a Democrat solely because of Climate Change. If people threatened to nuke everyonne who didn't vote for them I'd vote against them and be proud if I died. Here, it's you guys holding everyone at gunpoint saying "Abandon Gun Control or die."

That is true tyranny. That is true satanic apathy for humanity.

That is true darkness.


If that's the case, why don't the Democrats abandon gun control?

Why don't they jettison literally every policy decision in favor of the Republican one.... Excepting climate change?

Why must we abandon our principles to unite under your banner. Most of us just don't give a shit about climate change. We're not actively against doing something. What pisses us off is that somehow climate change also means we should abandon everything else and be good little Democrats.

Fuck that. You know exactly what you need to do to get us on board and refuse. Obviously it isn't that important to you.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:48 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:2020 is our last chance. The blood will be on your hands if you vote for Guns over Climate-And that is the most Satanic act imaginable.
I'm a Democrat solely because of Climate Change. If people threatened to nuke everyonne who didn't vote for them I'd vote against them and be proud if I died. Here, it's you guys holding everyone at gunpoint saying "Abandon Gun Control or die."

That is true tyranny. That is true satanic apathy for humanity.

That is true darkness.


If that's the case, why don't the Democrats abandon gun control?

Why don't they jettison literally every policy decision in favor of the Republican one.... Excepting climate change?

Why must we abandon our principles to unite under your banner. Most of us just don't give a shit about climate change. We're not actively against doing something. What pisses us off is that somehow climate change also means we should abandon everything else and be good little Democrats.

Fuck that. You know exactly what you need to do to get us on board and refuse. Obviously it isn't that important to you.


This exactly, don't cry about people being alienated if you're actively trying to alienate them.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:26 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Crockerland wrote:>mfw going to the voting station to vote all R's in 2020:

Them: *call a normal, everyday thing "fascist"*
Me: "In that case, sieg heil!"


Why do I get the feeling that this is what left leaning anti 2A people picture in their minds when they think of pro 2A and/or Republicans going to the polls in 2020 to vote.

Telconi wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
If that's the case, why don't the Democrats abandon gun control?

Why don't they jettison literally every policy decision in favor of the Republican one.... Excepting climate change?

Why must we abandon our principles to unite under your banner. Most of us just don't give a shit about climate change. We're not actively against doing something. What pisses us off is that somehow climate change also means we should abandon everything else and be good little Democrats.

Fuck that. You know exactly what you need to do to get us on board and refuse. Obviously it isn't that important to you.


This exactly, don't cry about people being alienated if you're actively trying to alienate them.


Truth. It's also what lost the left the last election. Good to see that they still haven't learned that lesson.

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Postby Ors Might » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:50 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Arizona has very loose gun laws but the simple possession of nunchucks is illegal.

If you took 2 pistols and welded a length of chain between them, would the resulting device be legal or illegal? Discuss.

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Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Them: *call a normal, everyday thing "fascist"*
Me: "In that case, sieg heil!"


Why do I get the feeling that this is what left leaning anti 2A people picture in their minds when they think of pro 2A and/or Republicans going to the polls in 2020 to vote.

Telconi wrote:
This exactly, don't cry about people being alienated if you're actively trying to alienate them.


Truth. It's also what lost the left the last election. Good to see that they still haven't learned that lesson.


Doesn't matter. They'll just keep on about how we can't possibly disagree with them because their ideas are totally better than ours, and then scratch their heads when people go in their merry way disagreeing with their horseshit.
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Journalist tries to buy gun from Walmart, fails.

Postby Aclion » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:37 pm

The availability of guns at Walmart has become a hotly debated issue in the wake of two deadly shootings at its stores that killed 24 people.

More than 128,000 people have signed a petition urging Walmart to stop selling guns and take a stronger stance against firearms since the shootings at stores in El Paso, Texas, and Southaven, Mississippi. But the company has said it has no plans to stop selling them.

I went to Walmart with the intention of buying a gun last week as part of an investigation into the placement, selection, marketing, and security of firearms in Walmart's stores, and to learn more about the retailer's processes governing gun sales.

My journey to bring a gun home from Walmart turned out to be far more complicated than I expected...
https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-virginia-store-2019-8


I'm curious about how people's expectations seem to be so different from reality, so;
For those who've never bough a gun show does this story square with the way the process is presented in general culture?
For those that have how does it compare to your own experiences buying guns(if any)? And how representative of the process do you think it is?
And for everyone who found it to be different why do you think there is such a difference?

For myself I'd say that her experience was a lot more complicated then my own, though only because she insisted on buying from Walmart, and had to deal with Walmart customer service being shitty. However the bit about needing to have a background check done(and the background check being fast AF) is accurate as well as needing to have all your information in order. If anything isn't as it should be they don't hesitate to refuse, even if it means losing a sale.
(also, I was a bit disappointed that the story didn't end with her finding out she was a prohibited person.)
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:40 pm

Couldn't this just get thrown into the gun control thread instead?
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:43 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Couldn't this just get thrown into the gun control thread instead?

Yes.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:44 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Couldn't this just get thrown into the gun control thread instead?

Yes.

I was about to ask for it to be moved. Never mind. :p
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Postby Aclion » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:49 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Couldn't this just get thrown into the gun control thread instead?

It's more about perception of the process then gun control specifically.

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