Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[East Ustya]

Which one are you talking about?

Utrecht

Worse then the US ones?

I dont think so.

4 ppl where shot, not 59, like in the LA shooting.

[Chernoslavia]

Armed crime in Europe is extremely rare.

But crime is much higher. Knife crime in the UK for example dwarfs US gun crime.

When that knife control meme became reality smh...

[The Emerald Legion]

Utrecht

Worse then the US ones?

I dont think so.

4 ppl where shot, not 59, like in the LA shooting.

Meanwhile in Paris, 180 dead. Many more wounded.

[East Ustya]

Worse then the US ones?

I dont think so.

4 ppl where shot, not 59, like in the LA shooting.

Meanwhile in Paris, 180 dead. Many more wounded.

Yes, and?

More guns would not have stooped that, there would have just been even MORE armed extremists.

[Ors Might]

Meanwhile in Paris, 180 dead. Many more wounded.

Yes, and?

More guns would not have stooped that, there would have just been even MORE armed extremists.

You have to have more extremists to have more armed extremists. The presence of guns doesn’t make people more extreme.

[East Ustya]

Yes, and?

More guns would not have stooped that, there would have just been even MORE armed extremists.

You have to have more extremists to have more armed extremists. The presence of guns doesn’t make people more extreme.

It DOES make it more easy to carry out a terrorist attack.

[Ors Might]

You have to have more extremists to have more armed extremists. The presence of guns doesn’t make people more extreme.

It DOES make it more easy to carry out a terrorist attack.

But it doesn’t cause the ideology of terrorists to exist.

[Estanglia]

Exactly. Essentially what they're proposing is "guilty until proven innocent".

How about you DON'T jump to conclusions ok?

Please ask before you assume I mean A or B.....

I mean what about a Gun license?

You have a drivers license, so why not?

There's the 'unfair burden on a right' argument;

You don't require a license to speak, which is covered by the first amendment, so why should another right have that restriction?

Indeed.

How is an American (USA) law a human right?

The right to bear arms is an extension of the right to defend oneself, as a gun is the ultimate tool to protect oneself.

[Telconi]

You have to have more extremists to have more armed extremists. The presence of guns doesn’t make people more extreme.

It DOES make it more easy to carry out a terrorist attack.

Most of modern society does.

[East Ustya]

It DOES make it more easy to carry out a terrorist attack.

But it doesn’t cause the ideology of terrorists to exist.

I would prefer to face an UNARMED radical.

[Kowani]

Armed crime in Europe is extremely rare.

“Armed” meaning what? Does that refer to firearms or to weapons in general?

Firearms.

Armed crime in Europe is extremely rare.

And many countries in Europe aren't actually as restrictive on guns as people think. Also Europe =/= USA

We were comparing the two.

Armed crime in Europe is extremely rare.

Armed anything is extremely rare...

If a country banned cars, car accidents would likely drop.

You know I’ve advoc banning cars, so I don’t know what on earth this point is for.

Armed crime in Europe is extremely rare.

But crime is much higher. Knife crime in the UK for example dwarfs US gun crime.

Citation needed. And once you do that, knife crime is still less deadly.

[East Ustya]

How about you DON'T jump to conclusions ok?

Please ask before you assume I mean A or B.....

I mean what about a Gun license?

You have a drivers license, so why not?

There's the 'unfair burden on a right' argument;

You don't require a license to speak, which is covered by the first amendment, so why should another right have that restriction?

How is an American (USA) law a human right?

The right to bear arms is an extension of the right to defend oneself, as a gun is the ultimate tool to protect oneself.

Why, sorry, I can not follow that logic.

[Chernoslavia]

“Armed” meaning what? Does that refer to firearms or to weapons in general?

Firearms.

And many countries in Europe aren't actually as restrictive on guns as people think. Also Europe =/= USA

We were comparing the two.

Yeah and? Europe doesn't face the same problems as the US does.

[The Emerald Legion]

You have to have more extremists to have more armed extremists. The presence of guns doesn’t make people more extreme.

It DOES make it more easy to carry out a terrorist attack.

Not really. The presumption of an armed populace means the police force is designed and trained to deal with armed criminals.

[Ors Might]

But it doesn’t cause the ideology of terrorists to exist.

I would prefer to face an UNARMED radical.

I would prefer a violent radical to be dead or neutralized as a threat. But you do you.

“Armed” meaning what? Does that refer to firearms or to weapons in general?

Firearms.

And many countries in Europe aren't actually as restrictive on guns as people think. Also Europe =/= USA

We were comparing the two.

Armed anything is extremely rare...

If a country banned cars, car accidents would likely drop.

You know I’ve advoc banning cars, so I don’t know what on earth this point is for.

But crime is much higher. Knife crime in the UK for example dwarfs US gun crime.

Citation needed. And once you do that, knife crime is still less deadly.

Understood. I wasn’t speaking of solely thugs with guns, though, in that discussion. Thus Europe having less gun violence doesn’t factor into my point.

[Kowani]

It DOES make it more easy to carry out a terrorist attack.

Not really. The presumption of an armed populace means the police force is designed and trained to deal with armed criminals.

Presumption of an armed populace is what gets innocent people killed by the police.

[Telconi]

“Armed” meaning what? Does that refer to firearms or to weapons in general?

Firearms.

And many countries in Europe aren't actually as restrictive on guns as people think. Also Europe =/= USA

We were comparing the two.

Armed anything is extremely rare...

If a country banned cars, car accidents would likely drop.

You know I’ve advoc banning cars, so I don’t know what on earth this point is for.

But crime is much higher. Knife crime in the UK for example dwarfs US gun crime.

Citation needed. And once you do that, knife crime is still less deadly.

The argument was being made for the benefit of others.

[Chernoslavia]

You know I’ve advoc banning cars, so I don’t know what on earth this point is for.

Christ dude are you trying to give us more reason for being armed? Because that's what you're doing.

[Telconi]

Not really. The presumption of an armed populace means the police force is designed and trained to deal with armed criminals.

Presumption of an armed populace is what gets innocent people killed by the police.

Got some sauce on this?

[East Ustya]

Also, if I hear loud bang noises I usually run and hide out of a reflex, and you can call me a coward if you want.

Thats not new.

[Ors Might]

Also, if I hear loud bang noises I usually run and hide out of a reflex, and you can call me a coward if you want.

Thats not new.

Good for you. Can’t always run though.

[East Ustya]

Also, if I hear loud bang noises I usually run and hide out of a reflex, and you can call me a coward if you want.

Thats not new.

Good for you. Can’t always run though.

Good for me?

Ok.....

This pinko commie is confused.

[Ors Might]

Good for you. Can’t always run though.

Good for me?

Ok.....

This pinko commie is confused.

It’s generally a good idea to run from gun shots if you can.

[Telconi]

Also, if I hear loud bang noises I usually run and hide out of a reflex, and you can call me a coward if you want.

Thats not new.

I would run too if placed in your situation.

[East Ustya]

Good for me?

Ok.....

This pinko commie is confused.

It’s generally a good idea to run from gun shots if you can.

Well, we found something we can agree on.