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Gun Control n Stuff - Only 2 Options Pick Carefully

If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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Total votes : 1277

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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:41 pm

Ors Might wrote:
East Ustya wrote:How does that relate to a lethal weapon? :D

That we often accept that certain risks when it comes to keeping ourselves safe, even if the things we’re protecting ourselves from are relatively rare.

I would say less guns=less danger. :D
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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:42 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:That we often accept that certain risks when it comes to keeping ourselves safe, even if the things we’re protecting ourselves from are relatively rare.

I would say less guns=less danger. :D

You’d be wrong. Defensive gun usage (DGU) saves many lives in the US annually.
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:43 pm

Ors Might wrote:
East Ustya wrote:I would say less guns=less danger. :D

You’d be wrong. Defensive gun usage (DGU) saves many lives in the US annually.

Ehh, how?

And how would that help MY country?
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Postby The Kingdom of Lyrica » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:43 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Telconi wrote:
How does it not work? Do guns magically not function in other countries?

No, I am just saying that it is a different situation where I live.

We do not have widespread gun ownership, or a gun culture. :)


May I ask which country?

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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:44 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:That we often accept that certain risks when it comes to keeping ourselves safe, even if the things we’re protecting ourselves from are relatively rare.

I would say less guns=less danger. :D


Less a lot of things would equal less danger. Less cars, less trains, less airplanes, less bicycles, less people walking, less candy, less steak, less peanut butter, less bath tubs, less swimming pools, the list goes on ad astra.
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:44 pm

The Kingdom of Lyrica wrote:
East Ustya wrote:No, I am just saying that it is a different situation where I live.

We do not have widespread gun ownership, or a gun culture. :)


May I ask which country?

The Netherlands. :D
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:45 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:You’d be wrong. Defensive gun usage (DGU) saves many lives in the US annually.

Ehh, how?

And how would that help MY country?


Because contrary to your apparent belief. Your countrymen are not categorically different from mine.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:46 pm

Ors Might wrote:
East Ustya wrote:How does that relate to a lethal weapon? :D

That we often accept that certain risks when it comes to keeping ourselves safe, even if the things we’re protecting ourselves from are relatively rare.

I mean, better to have that than the near certainly fatal case of flying out the front window.
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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:47 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:You’d be wrong. Defensive gun usage (DGU) saves many lives in the US annually.

Ehh, how?

And how would that help MY country?

You see, when you see someone brandish a gun, you are less likely to want to fuck with them. Street thugs and home invaders are rarely exempt from this fact of life.

Do people in your country not experience violence?
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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:47 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:That we often accept that certain risks when it comes to keeping ourselves safe, even if the things we’re protecting ourselves from are relatively rare.

I mean, better to have that than the near certainly fatal case of flying out the front window.

Exactly my point :p
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
East Ustya wrote:Ehh, how?

And how would that help MY country?


Because contrary to your apparent belief. Your countrymen are not categorically different from mine.

Ehh, we do not have that many shootings.
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:48 pm

Ors Might wrote:
East Ustya wrote:Ehh, how?

And how would that help MY country?

You see, when you see someone brandish a gun, you are less likely to want to fuck with them. Street thugs and home invaders are rarely exempt from this fact of life.

Do people in your country not experience violence?

Not that often, no.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:48 pm

Ors Might wrote:
East Ustya wrote:Ehh, how?

And how would that help MY country?

You see, when you see someone brandish a gun, you are less likely to want to fuck with them. Street thugs and home invaders are rarely exempt from this fact of life.

Do people in your country not experience violence?

Armed crime in Europe is extremely rare.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:49 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:You see, when you see someone brandish a gun, you are less likely to want to fuck with them. Street thugs and home invaders are rarely exempt from this fact of life.

Do people in your country not experience violence?

Not that often, no.

So they do experience violence. Do your violent countrymen know no fear?
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:50 pm

Ors Might wrote:
East Ustya wrote:Not that often, no.

So they do experience violence. Do your violent countrymen know no fear?

Not enough to arm ourselves with guns.
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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:You see, when you see someone brandish a gun, you are less likely to want to fuck with them. Street thugs and home invaders are rarely exempt from this fact of life.

Do people in your country not experience violence?

Armed crime in Europe is extremely rare.

“Armed” meaning what? Does that refer to firearms or to weapons in general?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:50 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:You see, when you see someone brandish a gun, you are less likely to want to fuck with them. Street thugs and home invaders are rarely exempt from this fact of life.

Do people in your country not experience violence?

Armed crime in Europe is extremely rare.


And many countries in Europe aren't actually as restrictive on guns as people think. Also Europe =/= USA
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:50 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:So they do experience violence. Do your violent countrymen know no fear?

Not enough to arm ourselves with guns.

What’s the threshold for that?
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:52 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:You see, when you see someone brandish a gun, you are less likely to want to fuck with them. Street thugs and home invaders are rarely exempt from this fact of life.

Do people in your country not experience violence?

Armed crime in Europe is extremely rare.


Armed anything is extremely rare...

If a country banned cars, car accidents would likely drop.
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-Life
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ANTI:
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-Government Overreach
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:52 pm

Ors Might wrote:
East Ustya wrote:Not enough to arm ourselves with guns.

What’s the threshold for that?

No idea, I just know that most ppl here do not want ppl to own guns.
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Postby The Kingdom of Lyrica » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:53 pm

East Ustya wrote:
The Kingdom of Lyrica wrote:
May I ask which country?

The Netherlands. :D


The Netherlands still has shootings, 527 incidents in 2018. About 1.5 a day
In 2019 the Netherlands had 1 mass shooting, far deadlier than the average America mass shooting.

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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:55 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:What’s the threshold for that?

No idea, I just know that most ppl here do not want ppl to own guns.

And that’s a good enough reason for them to not have the ability to? Majority opinion has historically been a shit method of determining what should be in place.
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:57 pm

The Kingdom of Lyrica wrote:
East Ustya wrote:The Netherlands. :D


The Netherlands still has shootings, 527 incidents in 2018. About 1.5 a day
In 2019 the Netherlands had 1 mass shooting, far deadlier than the average America mass shooting.

Which one are you talking about?
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Postby The Kingdom of Lyrica » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:59 pm

East Ustya wrote:
The Kingdom of Lyrica wrote:
The Netherlands still has shootings, 527 incidents in 2018. About 1.5 a day
In 2019 the Netherlands had 1 mass shooting, far deadlier than the average America mass shooting.

Which one are you talking about?


Utrecht

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:01 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:You see, when you see someone brandish a gun, you are less likely to want to fuck with them. Street thugs and home invaders are rarely exempt from this fact of life.

Do people in your country not experience violence?

Armed crime in Europe is extremely rare.


But crime is much higher. Knife crime in the UK for example dwarfs US gun crime.
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