Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Ors Might]

So? Get one.

Why?

What would it get us?

A culture in which people are allowed to defend themselves to the best of their capability when and if necessary.

[Grinning Dragon]

So? Get one.

Why?

What would it get us?

More freedom. Fun at the range, knowledge. Making a new friend or two.

[East Ustya]

I might as well talk to a bloody wall.

Its always a tautology with you.

Provide better arguments and you’ll get better counter-arguments.

''Ain’t my fault y’all are wrong.'' is not a very good argument, it is a blunt tautology.

''I am right, you are wrong, the end, we are better then you'', thats what I read in it.

[East Ustya]

Sorry, but if the idiots in this country gets guns I am moving.

[Telconi]

Sorry, but if the idiots in this country gets guns I am moving.

They'd be better off without you in that case.

[Ors Might]

Provide better arguments and you’ll get better counter-arguments.

''Ain’t my fault y’all are wrong.'' is not a very good argument, it is a blunt tautology.

''I am right, you are wrong, the end, we are better then you'', thats what I read in it.

You claimed that other nations are not like the US when I made the assertion that gun rights are best understood as the right to defend yourself and your family from threats. What was I to assume that meant other than other nations not putting much stock into the concept of self defense, which would make them wrong?

[East Ustya]

Sorry, but if the idiots in this country gets guns I am moving.

They'd be better off without you in that case.

No need for insults.

[East Ustya]

''Ain’t my fault y’all are wrong.'' is not a very good argument, it is a blunt tautology.

''I am right, you are wrong, the end, we are better then you'', thats what I read in it.

You claimed that other nations are not like the US when I made the assertion that gun rights are best understood as the right to defend yourself and your family from threats. What was I to assume that meant other than other nations not putting much stock into the concept of self defense, which would make them wrong?

Why would we need that kind of defense?

[Ors Might]

You claimed that other nations are not like the US when I made the assertion that gun rights are best understood as the right to defend yourself and your family from threats. What was I to assume that meant other than other nations not putting much stock into the concept of self defense, which would make them wrong?

Why would we need that kind of defense?

Are you asking why someone might potentially need the ability to defend themselves against incredibly violent assailants? Seems like a self answering question, if that is indeed what you’re asking.

[Telconi]

They'd be better off without you in that case.

No need for insults.

Not intended to be an insult. Just expressing a view.

[Telconi]

You claimed that other nations are not like the US when I made the assertion that gun rights are best understood as the right to defend yourself and your family from threats. What was I to assume that meant other than other nations not putting much stock into the concept of self defense, which would make them wrong?

Why would we need that kind of defense?

To live, because defenseless victims of violence often don't.

[Grinning Dragon]

You claimed that other nations are not like the US when I made the assertion that gun rights are best understood as the right to defend yourself and your family from threats. What was I to assume that meant other than other nations not putting much stock into the concept of self defense, which would make them wrong?

Why would we need that kind of defense?

To end a threat quickly?
Don't know about you, I am putting my life and that of family above a person(s) that intend to harm.

[East Ustya]

Why would we need that kind of defense?

To live, because defenseless victims of violence often don't.

And adding more guns helps?

Sorry but I do not see the logic, and Dutch people are to emotional to handle firearms, they can not even handle fireworks every new years eve.

[Ors Might]

To live, because defenseless victims of violence often don't.

And adding more guns helps?

Sorry but I do not see the logic, and Dutch people are to emotional to handle firearms, they can not even handle fireworks every new years eve.

Is an unarmed physically weak person likely to survive an encounter with multiple physically fit assailants armed with knives?

[Telconi]

To live, because defenseless victims of violence often don't.

And adding more guns helps?

Sorry but I do not see the logic, and Dutch people are to emotional to handle firearms, they can not even handle fireworks every new years eve.

Yes, it's easier to defend yourself with a tool meant for that purpose.

Yeah. "X people are unfit for freedom" is a trash argument.

[East Ustya]

And adding more guns helps?

Sorry but I do not see the logic, and Dutch people are to emotional to handle firearms, they can not even handle fireworks every new years eve.

Is an unarmed physically weak person likely to survive an encounter with multiple physically fit assailants armed with knives?

What are the chances of that happening?

You may as well build a Nuke shelter.

[Ors Might]

Is an unarmed physically weak person likely to survive an encounter with multiple physically fit assailants armed with knives?

What are the chances of that happening?

You may as well build a Nuke shelter.

What are the chances of any potentially life ending event happening? Do you not have smoke detectors or seat belts in your country?

[Grinning Dragon]

Is an unarmed physically weak person likely to survive an encounter with multiple physically fit assailants armed with knives?

What are the chances of that happening?

You may as well build a Nuke shelter.

Chances are that it does happen in the US, just as it does in other countries. The freedom to choose the best tool to aid in one's self defense is paramount.

[East Ustya]

What are the chances of that happening?

You may as well build a Nuke shelter.

What are the chances of any potentially life ending event happening? Do you not have smoke detectors or seat belts in your country?

Yes, but those can not kill me.

I hope......

[Telconi]

What are the chances of any potentially life ending event happening? Do you not have smoke detectors or seat belts in your country?

Yes, but those can not kill me.

I hope......

They certainly could.

[East Ustya]

Yes, but those can not kill me.

I hope......

They certainly could.

How?

[Ors Might]

What are the chances of any potentially life ending event happening? Do you not have smoke detectors or seat belts in your country?

Yes, but those can not kill me.

I hope......

Well, the seat belt does have a certain chance of killing you in an accident. It’s rare but it’s happened.

[East Ustya]

Yes, but those can not kill me.

I hope......

Well, the seat belt does have a certain chance of killing you in an accident. It’s rare but it’s happened.

How does that relate to a lethal weapon?

[Ors Might]

Well, the seat belt does have a certain chance of killing you in an accident. It’s rare but it’s happened.

How does that relate to a lethal weapon?

That we often accept that certain risks when it comes to keeping ourselves safe, even if the things we’re protecting ourselves from are relatively rare.

[Telconi]

Well, the seat belt does have a certain chance of killing you in an accident. It’s rare but it’s happened.

How does that relate to a lethal weapon?

The lethal part