Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Sovaal]

Because Germany is in a different universe and the logic that applies there couldn't possibly apply in the US, right?

Because America and Germany have vastly different histories, are governed by fairly different Constitutions, and have not-insignificant general cultural differences.

Population densities probably vary significantly as well.

[Torrocca]

Such as?

Well for starters after the Germans submitted to registration and selective disarmament the German government began a campaign of genocide. It's usually referred to as the holocaust, I'm sure you're familiar.

If I was gonna go with any one big difference between the US and Germany I'd go with that. Yeah.

Just to be pedantic, but the Nazi government only disarmed leftists and Jewish Germans. Since most of the country was practically complacent in the Holocaust in some manner (active support/participation, passive disregard for the events happening around them, etc.) due to the widespread anti-Semitism across Europe at the time, there was no need to disarm most Germans when they either didn't care or full-on supported the events happening. Bar resistance groups like German partisans and the White Rose, of course.

[Len Hyet]

Well for starters after the Germans submitted to registration and selective disarmament the German government began a campaign of genocide. It's usually referred to as the holocaust, I'm sure you're familiar.

If I was gonna go with any one big difference between the US and Germany I'd go with that. Yeah.

Yes, because genocide and oppression never happened in the US. Gotcha.

Yes, the US engaging in horrible practices during their wars of expansion against the natives is atrocious.

Let's not pretend that in any way compares to the ordered and deliberate orchestration of genocide on an industrial scale within living memory.

[Len Hyet]

Well for starters after the Germans submitted to registration and selective disarmament the German government began a campaign of genocide. It's usually referred to as the holocaust, I'm sure you're familiar.

If I was gonna go with any one big difference between the US and Germany I'd go with that. Yeah.

Just to be pedantic, but the Nazi government only disarmed leftists and Jewish Germans. Since most of the country was practically complacent in the Holocaust in some manner (active support/participation, passive disregard for the events happening around them, etc.) due to the widespread anti-Semitism across Europe at the time, there was no need to disarm most Germans when they either didn't care or full-on supported the events happening. Bar resistance groups like German partisans and the White Rose, of course.

That's why I specifically said selective disarmament. Selectively jews and leftists.

[Sovaal]

Look at gun control this way. I can't shoot you if I don't have a gun. Limiting accessibility of guns will choke the flow of the lake of guns into criminal hands. We can dispose of the lake other ways, but it's hard to dispose of the lake if it's still raining.

I still fail to see how you can trust a guy with one gun but not two or three or four or...

And guns will always find a way to the black market, gun control doesn’t make guns go away.

[Torrocca]

Well for starters after the Germans submitted to registration and selective disarmament the German government began a campaign of genocide. It's usually referred to as the holocaust, I'm sure you're familiar.

If I was gonna go with any one big difference between the US and Germany I'd go with that. Yeah.

Yes, because genocide and oppression never happened in the US. Gotcha.

The difference is that A) the natives were never US citizens during those times and B) minorities and women weren't allowed to possess guns to prevent said oppression for most of their own histories in the US.

[Torrocca]

Just to be pedantic, but the Nazi government only disarmed leftists and Jewish Germans. Since most of the country was practically complacent in the Holocaust in some manner (active support/participation, passive disregard for the events happening around them, etc.) due to the widespread anti-Semitism across Europe at the time, there was no need to disarm most Germans when they either didn't care or full-on supported the events happening. Bar resistance groups like German partisans and the White Rose, of course.

That's why I specifically said selective disarmament. Selectively jews and leftists.

Whoops, missed that bit. :V

[Kubrath]

Yeah, I'm dead serious. What are these irreconcilable cultural differences that make it very hard if not impossible to apply a particular set of laws?

America was literally founded on the back of semi-organized civil militias. With guns. From the very beginning private ownership and maintenance of firearms was engrained in the American culture.

I can go deeper, but its clear you have no intention of having a realistic outlook on gun control and gun legislation and just want your ideal world to be propped up by deliberate ignorance. Just a heads up, if your ideology can't be upheld without ignoring reality, you should abandon it.

Every nationstate was founded with armed violence, and some also share the "violent revolution" brand. Please don't pretend you're anything special. None of what has been said so far makes a lick of sense.

[Len Hyet]

Yes, because genocide and oppression never happened in the US. Gotcha.

The difference is that A) the natives were never US citizens during those times and B) minorities and women weren't allowed to possess guns to prevent said oppression for most of their own histories in the US.

It almost seems like there's a pattern of disallowing arms to populations that the authorities want to keep subjugated.

Weird.

That's why I specifically said selective disarmament. Selectively jews and leftists.

Whoops, missed that bit. :V

Nah man you're good

[Sovaal]

Well for starters after the Germans submitted to registration and selective disarmament the German government began a campaign of genocide. It's usually referred to as the holocaust, I'm sure you're familiar.

If I was gonna go with any one big difference between the US and Germany I'd go with that. Yeah.

Just to be pedantic, but the Nazi government only disarmed leftists and Jewish Germans. Since most of the country was practically complacent in the Holocaust in some manner (active support/participation, passive disregard for the events happening around them, etc.) due to the widespread anti-Semitism across Europe at the time, there was no need to disarm most Germans when they either didn't care or full-on supported the events happening. Bar resistance groups like German partisans and the White Rose, of course.

Small consolation to those killed, although realistically there’s little they could do in Germany itself.

Also I thought White Rose was peaceful resisters, or am I mixing them up with someone else?

[Torrocca]

The difference is that A) the natives were never US citizens during those times and B) minorities and women weren't allowed to possess guns to prevent said oppression for most of their own histories in the US.

It almost seems like there's a pattern of disallowing arms to populations that the authorities want to keep subjugated.

Weird.

Fuckin' statism, man.

[Sovaal]

The difference is that A) the natives were never US citizens during those times and B) minorities and women weren't allowed to possess guns to prevent said oppression for most of their own histories in the US.

It almost seems like there's a pattern of disallowing arms to populations that the authorities want to keep subjugated.

Weird.

Whoops, missed that bit. :V

Nah man you're good

“What’s that Bill? Blacks owning guns? We can’t have that.”

[The South Falls]

Look at gun control this way. I can't shoot you if I don't have a gun. Limiting accessibility of guns will choke the flow of the lake of guns into criminal hands. We can dispose of the lake other ways, but it's hard to dispose of the lake if it's still raining.

I also can’t defend myself against three large guys without a gun.

You're not all that likely to fight three large guys anytime soon, are ya?

Look at gun control this way. I can't shoot you if I don't have a gun. Limiting accessibility of guns will choke the flow of the lake of guns into criminal hands. We can dispose of the lake other ways, but it's hard to dispose of the lake if it's still raining.

I like rain.
And guns.

I don't like rain, or some guns. Mostly because one makes everything disgusting, and the other kills.

[Kubrath]

Yes, because genocide and oppression never happened in the US. Gotcha.

Yes, the US engaging in horrible practices during their wars of expansion against the natives is atrocious.

Let's not pretend that in any way compares to the ordered and deliberate orchestration of genocide on an industrial scale within living memory.

Oppression of Americans is well within living memory, as I already pointed out in my first post here regarding Japanese-Americans and black people.

[Torrocca]

Just to be pedantic, but the Nazi government only disarmed leftists and Jewish Germans. Since most of the country was practically complacent in the Holocaust in some manner (active support/participation, passive disregard for the events happening around them, etc.) due to the widespread anti-Semitism across Europe at the time, there was no need to disarm most Germans when they either didn't care or full-on supported the events happening. Bar resistance groups like German partisans and the White Rose, of course.

Small consolation to those killed, although realistically there’s little they could do in Germany itself.

Yeah. They were lucky if they could get out at all and get somewhere safe considering how fucking much of Europe was straight-up complacent in the genocide of so many.

Also I thought White Rose was peaceful resisters, or am I mixing them up with someone else?

Yeah they were peaceful resisters, I was lumping them in with those that weren't complacent in the Holocaust.

[Len Hyet]

It almost seems like there's a pattern of disallowing arms to populations that the authorities want to keep subjugated.

Weird.

Fuckin' statism, man.

Amen brother.

America was literally founded on the back of semi-organized civil militias. With guns. From the very beginning private ownership and maintenance of firearms was engrained in the American culture.

I can go deeper, but its clear you have no intention of having a realistic outlook on gun control and gun legislation and just want your ideal world to be propped up by deliberate ignorance. Just a heads up, if your ideology can't be upheld without ignoring reality, you should abandon it.

Every nationstate was founded with armed violence, and some also share the "violent revolution" brand. Please don't pretend you're anything special. None of what has been said so far makes a lick of sense.

Your choice to ignore, minimize, and deny what has been presented to you doesn't make it insensible.

[Torrocca]

Yes, the US engaging in horrible practices during their wars of expansion against the natives is atrocious.

Let's not pretend that in any way compares to the ordered and deliberate orchestration of genocide on an industrial scale within living memory.

Oppression of Americans is well within living memory, as I already pointed out in my first post here regarding Japanese-Americans and black people.

Almost like being a disarmed populous makes it hard for you to resist oppression or something. Hmm.

Fuckin' statism, man.

Amen brother.

Every nationstate was founded with armed violence, and some also share the "violent revolution" brand. Please don't pretend you're anything special. None of what has been said so far makes a lick of sense.

Your choice to ignore, minimize, and deny what has been presented to you doesn't make it insensible.

The fucking saddest part is is that even today minorities can't really own guns without fear of getting gunned down by the police, either. All those Civil Rights movements and everything and we've got white supremacists out the ass in the police forces nationwide and shit. It's disgusting.

[Sovaal]

I also can’t defend myself against three large guys without a gun.

You're not all that likely to fight three large guys anytime soon, are ya?

I like rain.
And guns.

I don't like rain, or some guns. Mostly because one makes everything disgusting, and the other kills.

Rain is not that terrible, well so long as there’s not to much, and with guns I would worry more about the man (or woman, or...) wielding it.

[Ors Might]

It almost seems like there's a pattern of disallowing arms to populations that the authorities want to keep subjugated.

Weird.

Fuckin' statism, man.

Honestly, the worker-capitalist dynamic works fairly well when applied to the citizen and the state, at least when it comes to force. You don’t want citizens to have zero options when it comes to force.

[Len Hyet]

Oppression of Americans is well within living memory, as I already pointed out in my first post here regarding Japanese-Americans and black people.

Almost like being a disarmed populous makes it hard for you to resist oppression or something. Hmm.

Amen brother.
Your choice to ignore, minimize, and deny what has been presented to you doesn't make it insensible.

The fucking saddest part is is that even today minorities can't really own guns without fear of getting gunned down by the police, either. All those Civil Rights movements and everything and we've got white supremacists out the ass in the police forces nationwide and shit. It's disgusting.

For real. That's why I love Colion Noir so much. He's everything the NRA should be, appealing to minorities, humorous, direct, and passionate without being a nutjob.

[The South Falls]

You're not all that likely to fight three large guys anytime soon, are ya?

I don't like rain, or some guns. Mostly because one makes everything disgusting, and the other kills.

Rain is not that terrible, well so long as there’s not to much, and with guns I would worry more about the man (or woman, or...) wielding it.

If a bad man/woman is wielding it, then yes, the guns are more of a danger. Mental health, plus 'pipe tightening' the flow of guns, will take steps to solve the problem.

[Ors Might]

I also can’t defend myself against three large guys without a gun.

You're not all that likely to fight three large guys anytime soon, are ya?

I like rain.
And guns.

I don't like rain, or some guns. Mostly because one makes everything disgusting, and the other kills.

Schools aren’t all that likely to be shot up either.

[Kubrath]

Every nationstate was founded with armed violence, and some also share the "violent revolution" brand. Please don't pretend you're anything special. None of what has been said so far makes a lick of sense.

Your choice to ignore, minimize, and deny what has been presented to you doesn't make it insensible.

Ditto, except you inflate instead of minimize.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Yes, the US engaging in horrible practices during their wars of expansion against the natives is atrocious.

Let's not pretend that in any way compares to the ordered and deliberate orchestration of genocide on an industrial scale within living memory.

Oppression of Americans is well within living memory, as I already pointed out in my first post here regarding Japanese-Americans and black people.

>Comparing those to the Holocaust
Lel

I don't need to further justify owning multiple firearms if I'm already trustworthy with one. That in itself is the justification.

[The South Falls]

You're not all that likely to fight three large guys anytime soon, are ya?

I don't like rain, or some guns. Mostly because one makes everything disgusting, and the other kills.

Schools aren’t all that likely to be shot up either.

The main problem is suicide, and street homicide. Suicide is the #1 cause of gun death. Mental health would be a huge step towards ending that.