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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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50%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
210
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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Total votes : 1277

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East Ustya
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:52 am

Telconi wrote:
East Ustya wrote:How about you DON'T jump to conclusions ok? :)

Please ask before you assume I mean A or B.....

I mean what about a Gun license?

You have a drivers license, so why not?


Because driving an automobile isn't a human right, nor is it an activity that a great number in society want to eliminate.

A human right?
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:53 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Generally speaking people against gun control are more particularly motivated on the topic than people for it. I have yet to see a person who is a Democrat only because they hate gun rights, I have met many a person who's a Republican only because they support gun rights.

I do want to raise that point at the next Committee meeting. With luck I'll be able to moderate our stance.

If I don't though, it would force me to try another track.
Ors Might wrote:How do you intend to get people that are anti gun control to give up that issue to support actions against climate change when you can’t get pro gun control individuals to give up gun control for the sake of combatting climate change? Many people that are anti gun control are vehemently so.

But climate control isn’t really part of the thread topic.

True. My reason for bringing it up here is that often anti-gun control people know climate change exit but would rather die defending guns than voting for ideological opponents to save everyone.
I get your gun control position I really do I just don't think it's worth the whole world/billions of people/irreversible damage, when you guys can fight for gun rights another day. Temporary damage yes but short term pain long-term gain.


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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:54 am

East Ustya wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Because driving an automobile isn't a human right, nor is it an activity that a great number in society want to eliminate.

A human right?


Indeed.
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:56 am

Telconi wrote:
East Ustya wrote:A human right?


Indeed.

How is an American (USA) law a human right?
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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:57 am

East Ustya wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Indeed.

How is an American law a human right?

Laws are fully capable of protecting human rights.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:59 am

East Ustya wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Indeed.

How is an American (USA) law a human right?


Same way any other law is. By recognizing and protecting a right inherent to humanity.
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
East Ustya wrote:How is an American (USA) law a human right?


Same way any other law is. By recognizing and protecting a right inherent to humanity.

And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:02 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:You don’t need a drivers license to buy a car.

If gun control isn’t worth risking so many lives, then the Democrats are just as guilty, no? They’re the ones forcing there to be a conflict of interests.

You do need one too drive though, so I think that would make things much more safe. :)[/quote]
Just like you need a license to carry a gun in public, in most states.
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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:04 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Same way any other law is. By recognizing and protecting a right inherent to humanity.

And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?

Gun ownership is less of a right so much as it is the currently best vehicle for the actual right. The right to protect yourself and yours from threats.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:05 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Same way any other law is. By recognizing and protecting a right inherent to humanity.

And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?


Those old geezers happened to have been the brightest motherfuckers he had.
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:05 pm

Ors Might wrote:
East Ustya wrote:And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?

Gun ownership is less of a right so much as it is the currently best vehicle for the actual right. The right to protect yourself and yours from threats.

For ALL nations on earth?

Sorry but we are not all miniature USA,s.....
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:06 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
East Ustya wrote:And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?


Those old geezers happened to have been the brightest motherfuckers he had.

He?
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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:06 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Gun ownership is less of a right so much as it is the currently best vehicle for the actual right. The right to protect yourself and yours from threats.

For ALL nations on earth?

Sorry but we are not all miniature USA,s.....

Ain’t my fault y’all are wrong. Hard to believe most nations don’t allow their citizens to defend themselves, though.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:07 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Those old geezers happened to have been the brightest motherfuckers he had.

He?


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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:08 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Same way any other law is. By recognizing and protecting a right inherent to humanity.

And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?


It just is. It's something that is an inherent part of people as a whole. Rather old geezers say it is, or say it isn't is entirely irrelevant.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:08 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Gun ownership is less of a right so much as it is the currently best vehicle for the actual right. The right to protect yourself and yours from threats.

For ALL nations on earth?

Sorry but we are not all miniature USA,s.....


So? Being a miniature USA has nothing to do with human rights.
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-Labor Unions
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ANTI:
-Racism
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:08 pm

Ors Might wrote:
East Ustya wrote:For ALL nations on earth?

Sorry but we are not all miniature USA,s.....

Ain’t my fault y’all are wrong. Hard to believe most nations don’t allow their citizens to defend themselves, though.


I might as well talk to a bloody wall.

Its always a tautology with you.
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
East Ustya wrote:For ALL nations on earth?

Sorry but we are not all miniature USA,s.....


So? Being a miniature USA has nothing to do with human rights.

What works in the USA is not going to work everywhere.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:10 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So? Being a miniature USA has nothing to do with human rights.

What works in the USA is not going to work everywhere.


How does it not work? Do guns magically not function in other countries?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:11 pm

Telconi wrote:
East Ustya wrote:What works in the USA is not going to work everywhere.


How does it not work? Do guns magically not function in other countries?


i dont think their spines do tbh.
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:11 pm

Telconi wrote:
East Ustya wrote:What works in the USA is not going to work everywhere.


How does it not work? Do guns magically not function in other countries?

No, I am just saying that it is a different situation where I live.

We do not have widespread gun ownership, or a gun culture. :)
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:12 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Telconi wrote:
How does it not work? Do guns magically not function in other countries?

No, I am just saying that it is a different situation where I live.

We do not have widespread gun ownership, or a gun culture. :)


So? Get one.
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Postby East Ustya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
East Ustya wrote:No, I am just saying that it is a different situation where I live.

We do not have widespread gun ownership, or a gun culture. :)


So? Get one.

Why?

What would it get us?
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Postby Ors Might » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:16 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Ain’t my fault y’all are wrong. Hard to believe most nations don’t allow their citizens to defend themselves, though.


I might as well talk to a bloody wall.

Its always a tautology with you.

Provide better arguments and you’ll get better counter-arguments.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:16 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So? Get one.

Why?

What would it get us?


Gun rights.
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-Government Overreach
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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