Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[East Ustya]

How about you DON'T jump to conclusions ok?

Please ask before you assume I mean A or B.....

I mean what about a Gun license?

You have a drivers license, so why not?

Because driving an automobile isn't a human right, nor is it an activity that a great number in society want to eliminate.

A human right?

[Telconi]

Generally speaking people against gun control are more particularly motivated on the topic than people for it. I have yet to see a person who is a Democrat only because they hate gun rights, I have met many a person who's a Republican only because they support gun rights.

I do want to raise that point at the next Committee meeting. With luck I'll be able to moderate our stance.

If I don't though, it would force me to try another track.

How do you intend to get people that are anti gun control to give up that issue to support actions against climate change when you can’t get pro gun control individuals to give up gun control for the sake of combatting climate change? Many people that are anti gun control are vehemently so.

But climate control isn’t really part of the thread topic.

True. My reason for bringing it up here is that often anti-gun control people know climate change exit but would rather die defending guns than voting for ideological opponents to save everyone.
I get your gun control position I really do I just don't think it's worth the whole world/billions of people/irreversible damage, when you guys can fight for gun rights another day. Temporary damage yes but short term pain long-term gain.

I've been where you're at, you aren't getting anywhere.

[Telconi]

Because driving an automobile isn't a human right, nor is it an activity that a great number in society want to eliminate.

A human right?

Indeed.

[East Ustya]

A human right?

Indeed.

How is an American (USA) law a human right?

[Ors Might]

Indeed.

How is an American law a human right?

Laws are fully capable of protecting human rights.

[Telconi]

Indeed.

How is an American (USA) law a human right?

Same way any other law is. By recognizing and protecting a right inherent to humanity.

[East Ustya]

How is an American (USA) law a human right?

Same way any other law is. By recognizing and protecting a right inherent to humanity.

And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?

[Diopolis]

You don’t need a drivers license to buy a car.

If gun control isn’t worth risking so many lives, then the Democrats are just as guilty, no? They’re the ones forcing there to be a conflict of interests.

You do need one too drive though, so I think that would make things much more safe. [/quote]
Just like you need a license to carry a gun in public, in most states.

[Ors Might]

Same way any other law is. By recognizing and protecting a right inherent to humanity.

And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?

Gun ownership is less of a right so much as it is the currently best vehicle for the actual right. The right to protect yourself and yours from threats.

[Loben The 2nd]

Same way any other law is. By recognizing and protecting a right inherent to humanity.

And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?

Those old geezers happened to have been the brightest motherfuckers he had.

[East Ustya]

And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?

Gun ownership is less of a right so much as it is the currently best vehicle for the actual right. The right to protect yourself and yours from threats.

For ALL nations on earth?

Sorry but we are not all miniature USA,s.....

[East Ustya]

And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?

Those old geezers happened to have been the brightest motherfuckers he had.

He?

[Ors Might]

Gun ownership is less of a right so much as it is the currently best vehicle for the actual right. The right to protect yourself and yours from threats.

For ALL nations on earth?

Sorry but we are not all miniature USA,s.....

Ain’t my fault y’all are wrong. Hard to believe most nations don’t allow their citizens to defend themselves, though.

[Loben The 2nd]

Those old geezers happened to have been the brightest motherfuckers he had.

He?

We.

[Telconi]

Same way any other law is. By recognizing and protecting a right inherent to humanity.

And why is owning guns an ''right inherent to humanity''?

Because a few old geezers in bad wigs said so?

It just is. It's something that is an inherent part of people as a whole. Rather old geezers say it is, or say it isn't is entirely irrelevant.

[Telconi]

Gun ownership is less of a right so much as it is the currently best vehicle for the actual right. The right to protect yourself and yours from threats.

For ALL nations on earth?

Sorry but we are not all miniature USA,s.....

So? Being a miniature USA has nothing to do with human rights.

[East Ustya]

For ALL nations on earth?

Sorry but we are not all miniature USA,s.....

Ain’t my fault y’all are wrong. Hard to believe most nations don’t allow their citizens to defend themselves, though.

I might as well talk to a bloody wall.

Its always a tautology with you.

[East Ustya]

For ALL nations on earth?

Sorry but we are not all miniature USA,s.....

So? Being a miniature USA has nothing to do with human rights.

What works in the USA is not going to work everywhere.

[Telconi]

So? Being a miniature USA has nothing to do with human rights.

What works in the USA is not going to work everywhere.

How does it not work? Do guns magically not function in other countries?

[Loben The 2nd]

What works in the USA is not going to work everywhere.

How does it not work? Do guns magically not function in other countries?

i dont think their spines do tbh.

[East Ustya]

What works in the USA is not going to work everywhere.

How does it not work? Do guns magically not function in other countries?

No, I am just saying that it is a different situation where I live.

We do not have widespread gun ownership, or a gun culture.

[Telconi]

How does it not work? Do guns magically not function in other countries?

No, I am just saying that it is a different situation where I live.

We do not have widespread gun ownership, or a gun culture.

So? Get one.

[East Ustya]

No, I am just saying that it is a different situation where I live.

We do not have widespread gun ownership, or a gun culture.

So? Get one.

Why?

What would it get us?

[Ors Might]

Ain’t my fault y’all are wrong. Hard to believe most nations don’t allow their citizens to defend themselves, though.

I might as well talk to a bloody wall.

Its always a tautology with you.

Provide better arguments and you’ll get better counter-arguments.

[Telconi]

So? Get one.

Why?

What would it get us?

Gun rights.