Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Tarsonis]

Yeah, that Nuclear power was not without issue. And it’s not. Why is that such a contentious statement?

Tarsonis. I have a 200 Kw nuclear reactor that is literally behind my main classrooms and department on my college campus. My department of studies shares the building with the nuclear engineering department and I see nukers (nickname for nuclear engineers) coming and going all the time. I might be getting a couple more rads then normal due to usually being a more indoorsy person but at the end of the day I'm still getting less radiation from them carrying nuclear samples past me and sitting in a building with nuclear samples then if I were to stand outside and sunbath from dawn till dusk on a sunny day. Sure humanity has had issues with nuclear power like Chernobyl but it's this same kind of fear mongering that affects all of us here who enjoy our rights to bear arms. Sure firearms and nuclear power is dangerous if not properly taken care of and used. However if properly used, both are quite safe and beneficial to society.

It’s not fear mongering if it’s true. It’s not fear mongering to point out that when the fuel rods in that reactor are spent, we have nowhere to reliably store them, because it’s true. It’s not fear mongering to point out that the whole the chances of a critical situation are slim, the consequences of said situation would vastly put strip the consequences of any other form of energy having a critical issue, because it’s fucking true. We can acknowledge that nuclear energy has both its perks and drawbacks.

[Tarsonis]

And? The fact that it issues means it’s not the perfect solution people tout it to be. I never said we should get rid of it, I said Nuclear power has its own issues, because it does, and we shouldn’t act like it doesn’t.

Negligible issues. Heck, the “grand disaster” of Nuclear energy, Chernobyl, only happened because the plant was built badly, even for the standards of the time. The other one, 3-mile Island has no casualties.

Also, nobody is claiming that it’s a perfect solution.

Tell that to people flipping out over me merely pointing out facts.

[Crockerland]

"nuclear energy scary"
"why"
"my tv told me so"

Exactly.

Chernobyl, the worst nuclear disaster in history and one of the only ones to kill anyone killed a whopping... 60 people. It was possibly related to a few hundred cases of Thyroid cancer, but that not only has a 99% survival rate, but more than likely it's just that the disaster got people to test for the cancer rather than causing it. Meanwhile one dam in China bursting killed 90,000 to 230,000 people. Similarly with radiation, coal power plants irradiate the surrounding environment at 100 times the rate of nuclear powerplants generating the same amount of energy. Nuclear is better and safer than both. Which is why even after suffering the worst nuclear accident in history, the Chernobyl powerplant kept 3 of its 4 reactors for years after the fourth melted down.



Again, aside from Facebook memes and propoganda videos, if we look at statistics, nuclear is the SAFEST form of electricity generation by a wide margin.

You must work in the nuclear lobby.

I shill for the fact lobby and am funded by big reality, and the jews of course.

[Tarsonis]

You must work in the nuclear lobby.

I shill for the fact lobby and am funded by big reality, and the jews of course.

Don’t trim my posts

[The Chuck]

Tarsonis. I have a 200 Kw nuclear reactor that is literally behind my main classrooms and department on my college campus. My department of studies shares the building with the nuclear engineering department and I see nukers (nickname for nuclear engineers) coming and going all the time. I might be getting a couple more rads then normal due to usually being a more indoorsy person but at the end of the day I'm still getting less radiation from them carrying nuclear samples past me and sitting in a building with nuclear samples then if I were to stand outside and sunbath from dawn till dusk on a sunny day. Sure humanity has had issues with nuclear power like Chernobyl but it's this same kind of fear mongering that affects all of us here who enjoy our rights to bear arms. Sure firearms and nuclear power is dangerous if not properly taken care of and used. However if properly used, both are quite safe and beneficial to society.

It’s not fear mongering if it’s true. It’s not fear mongering to point out that when the fuel rods in that reactor are spent, we have nowhere to reliably store them, because it’s true. It’s not fear mongering to point out that the whole the chances of a critical situation are slim, the consequences of said situation would vastly put strip the consequences of any other form of energy having a critical issue, because it’s fucking true. We can acknowledge that nuclear energy has both its perks and drawbacks.

Alright point taken. However, when it comes to "spent nuclear rods", we have methods to recycle them back into usable nuclear material that can be tossed back into a reactor. Unfortunately the nuclear industry just doesn't have the funding to do this on a large scale and it's so much easier just to dump it in a big hole in the ground instead of actually using it. Nuclear reactors use very little of the nuclear energy available in fuel rods the first, second, third, etc. cycles that they run. When nuclear material is "spent", it can be recycled into a "mixed oxide" and put back into the reactor to continue to produce power.

(Special thanks to our Nuker on my dorm floor who just sat down and explained this to me).

[Kowani]

Negligible issues. Heck, the “grand disaster” of Nuclear energy, Chernobyl, only happened because the plant was built badly, even for the standards of the time. The other one, 3-mile Island has no casualties.

Also, nobody is claiming that it’s a perfect solution.

Tell that to people flipping out over me merely pointing out facts.

Considering that you’ve been busy using facts to support a conclusion they don’t actually support...

[Arengin Union]

Boiiis I smell a boogalo rising

[Lamoni]

Again, I'm doing no such thing. You've decided that it's an either or in regards to one's right to life, I've chosen the path that is attainable over an unknown.

People won't exist to have freedom and guns if Climate Change isn't fought.


That's endorsing Tyranny by other means.

Eternal Lotharia:

This is *NOT* a climate change thread. *** Warning for threadjacking ***

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Negligible issues. Heck, the “grand disaster” of Nuclear energy, Chernobyl, only happened because the plant was built badly, even for the standards of the time. The other one, 3-mile Island has no casualties.

Also, nobody is claiming that it’s a perfect solution.

Tell that to people flipping out over me merely pointing out facts.

Don't concern yourself with the preservation of life or safety. One day the world will most likely be consumed by nuclear radiation when the next war occurs.

[Kowani]

Boiiis I smell a boogalo rising

No you don’t.

[Telconi]

Boiiis I smell a boogalo rising

No you don’t.

Kowani does not smell what The Rock is cooking.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Starting to think it's time to have a second shot heard round the world in MA.. the state where freedom was born and is likely to die first.

S.1389 - One gun a month, may be some other stuff but that's the core thing
S.1387 - Firearm, ammo, and parts sales tax of 4.75%, 50 BMG ban, private sales must be at dealers and imposes $25 limit on fee charged for transfer, some other crap.
H.2040 - Bans "imitation firearms" (basically airsoft guns and the like)
H.2039 - Something about tracing and gathering stats on "crime guns"
H.2048 - Allows self-adding to a "no guns list" and allows others to place you on that list seemingly fairly easily
H.3843 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.3576 - Requires annual affidavit from LTC/FID holders saying no lost or stolen guns
H.2046 - Punishment for reckless discharge of firearms
H.2045 - Some "crime gun" nonsense
H.2044 - Allows suing gun owner whose gun is lost or stolen, who fails to report the loss or theft, whose gun is subsequently used in a crime.
H.2077 - Allows taking away the vehicle of someone who transports a firearm illegally in it.
H.3577 - Establishes a "firearm violence institute" within the Department of Public Health.
H.2097 - Microstamping requirement, 15 gun per year limit, some other crap.
H.2096 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.2095 - Bans all "large capacity magazines" not registered to a specific owner, no more transfers.
H.2094 - Extra penalties for selling guns not on the "Approved Firearms Roster"
H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.2092 - Requires dealer for private sales, sets $25 max fee
H.2091 - Live fire requirement for license courses
H.2089 - Includes "dangerous" weapons in the definition of "violent crime"
S.1451 - I believe this mostly just increases punishments for various weapon-related crimes.
H.2117 - "Smart gun" Task Force
H.3782 - Requires every firearm sold by a dealer to be sent to state police to be test fired, photographed, and have a ballistics report made.
H.3783 - Annual inspection of every firearm owned, initial inspection within 10 days of receipt.
H.3781 - 10 day waiting period, 1 gun a month
H.3780 - 1 gun a month
S.1361 - Bans "ghost guns"
S.1360 - Same as H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.3927 - Straw purchase ban

[Telconi]

Starting to think it's time to have a second shot heard round the world in MA.. the state where freedom was born and is likely to die first.

S.1389 - One gun a month, may be some other stuff but that's the core thing
S.1387 - Firearm, ammo, and parts sales tax of 4.75%, 50 BMG ban, private sales must be at dealers and imposes $25 limit on fee charged for transfer, some other crap.
H.2040 - Bans "imitation firearms" (basically airsoft guns and the like)
H.2039 - Something about tracing and gathering stats on "crime guns"
H.2048 - Allows self-adding to a "no guns list" and allows others to place you on that list seemingly fairly easily
H.3843 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.3576 - Requires annual affidavit from LTC/FID holders saying no lost or stolen guns
H.2046 - Punishment for reckless discharge of firearms
H.2045 - Some "crime gun" nonsense
H.2044 - Allows suing gun owner whose gun is lost or stolen, who fails to report the loss or theft, whose gun is subsequently used in a crime.
H.2077 - Allows taking away the vehicle of someone who transports a firearm illegally in it.
H.3577 - Establishes a "firearm violence institute" within the Department of Public Health.
H.2097 - Microstamping requirement, 15 gun per year limit, some other crap.
H.2096 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.2095 - Bans all "large capacity magazines" not registered to a specific owner, no more transfers.
H.2094 - Extra penalties for selling guns not on the "Approved Firearms Roster"
H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.2092 - Requires dealer for private sales, sets $25 max fee
H.2091 - Live fire requirement for license courses
H.2089 - Includes "dangerous" weapons in the definition of "violent crime"
S.1451 - I believe this mostly just increases punishments for various weapon-related crimes.
H.2117 - "Smart gun" Task Force
H.3782 - Requires every firearm sold by a dealer to be sent to state police to be test fired, photographed, and have a ballistics report made.
H.3783 - Annual inspection of every firearm owned, initial inspection within 10 days of receipt.
H.3781 - 10 day waiting period, 1 gun a month
H.3780 - 1 gun a month
S.1361 - Bans "ghost guns"
S.1360 - Same as H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.3927 - Straw purchase ban

Christ, some of that is worse than California.

[Grinning Dragon]

Starting to think it's time to have a second shot heard round the world in MA.. the state where freedom was born and is likely to die first.

S.1389 - One gun a month, may be some other stuff but that's the core thing
S.1387 - Firearm, ammo, and parts sales tax of 4.75%, 50 BMG ban, private sales must be at dealers and imposes $25 limit on fee charged for transfer, some other crap.
H.2040 - Bans "imitation firearms" (basically airsoft guns and the like)
H.2039 - Something about tracing and gathering stats on "crime guns"
H.2048 - Allows self-adding to a "no guns list" and allows others to place you on that list seemingly fairly easily
H.3843 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.3576 - Requires annual affidavit from LTC/FID holders saying no lost or stolen guns
H.2046 - Punishment for reckless discharge of firearms
H.2045 - Some "crime gun" nonsense
H.2044 - Allows suing gun owner whose gun is lost or stolen, who fails to report the loss or theft, whose gun is subsequently used in a crime.
H.2077 - Allows taking away the vehicle of someone who transports a firearm illegally in it.
H.3577 - Establishes a "firearm violence institute" within the Department of Public Health.
H.2097 - Microstamping requirement, 15 gun per year limit, some other crap.
H.2096 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.2095 - Bans all "large capacity magazines" not registered to a specific owner, no more transfers.
H.2094 - Extra penalties for selling guns not on the "Approved Firearms Roster"
H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.2092 - Requires dealer for private sales, sets $25 max fee
H.2091 - Live fire requirement for license courses
H.2089 - Includes "dangerous" weapons in the definition of "violent crime"
S.1451 - I believe this mostly just increases punishments for various weapon-related crimes.
H.2117 - "Smart gun" Task Force
H.3782 - Requires every firearm sold by a dealer to be sent to state police to be test fired, photographed, and have a ballistics report made.
H.3783 - Annual inspection of every firearm owned, initial inspection within 10 days of receipt.
H.3781 - 10 day waiting period, 1 gun a month
H.3780 - 1 gun a month
S.1361 - Bans "ghost guns"
S.1360 - Same as H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.3927 - Straw purchase ban

Every single one of those piss poor ideas will not stop crime, won't even put a dent in it, the only thing every one of those ideas represent is a burning hatred for individual freedom, designed to affect the less fortunate and minorities. All in the name of govt is father, govt is mother.

[East Ustya]

Starting to think it's time to have a second shot heard round the world in MA.. the state where freedom was born and is likely to die first.

S.1389 - One gun a month, may be some other stuff but that's the core thing
S.1387 - Firearm, ammo, and parts sales tax of 4.75%, 50 BMG ban, private sales must be at dealers and imposes $25 limit on fee charged for transfer, some other crap.
H.2040 - Bans "imitation firearms" (basically airsoft guns and the like)
H.2039 - Something about tracing and gathering stats on "crime guns"
H.2048 - Allows self-adding to a "no guns list" and allows others to place you on that list seemingly fairly easily
H.3843 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.3576 - Requires annual affidavit from LTC/FID holders saying no lost or stolen guns
H.2046 - Punishment for reckless discharge of firearms
H.2045 - Some "crime gun" nonsense
H.2044 - Allows suing gun owner whose gun is lost or stolen, who fails to report the loss or theft, whose gun is subsequently used in a crime.
H.2077 - Allows taking away the vehicle of someone who transports a firearm illegally in it.
H.3577 - Establishes a "firearm violence institute" within the Department of Public Health.
H.2097 - Microstamping requirement, 15 gun per year limit, some other crap.
H.2096 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.2095 - Bans all "large capacity magazines" not registered to a specific owner, no more transfers.
H.2094 - Extra penalties for selling guns not on the "Approved Firearms Roster"
H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.2092 - Requires dealer for private sales, sets $25 max fee
H.2091 - Live fire requirement for license courses
H.2089 - Includes "dangerous" weapons in the definition of "violent crime"
S.1451 - I believe this mostly just increases punishments for various weapon-related crimes.
H.2117 - "Smart gun" Task Force
H.3782 - Requires every firearm sold by a dealer to be sent to state police to be test fired, photographed, and have a ballistics report made.
H.3783 - Annual inspection of every firearm owned, initial inspection within 10 days of receipt.
H.3781 - 10 day waiting period, 1 gun a month
H.3780 - 1 gun a month
S.1361 - Bans "ghost guns"
S.1360 - Same as H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.3927 - Straw purchase ban

And are ghost guns/unregistered firearms not illegal anyhow?
Every single one of those piss poor ideas will not stop crime, won't even put a dent in it, the only thing every one of those ideas represent is a burning hatred for individual freedom, designed to affect the less fortunate and minorities. All in the name of govt is father, govt is mother.

[Grinning Dragon]

Every single one of those piss poor ideas will not stop crime, won't even put a dent in it, the only thing every one of those ideas represent is a burning hatred for individual freedom, designed to affect the less fortunate and minorities. All in the name of govt is father, govt is mother.

And are ghost guns/unregistered firearms not illegal anyhow?

Home built firearms are not illegal at the federal level, same with bullshit registration schemes.
Some states have gone rouge and decided that firearms are to be registered and frown upon home built firearms.
Registration does not equal safety

[East Ustya]

And are ghost guns/unregistered firearms not illegal anyhow?

Home built firearms are not illegal at the federal level, same with bullshit registration schemes.
Some states have gone rouge and decided that firearms are to be registered and frown upon home built firearms.
Registration does not equal safety

Then what does?

[Telconi]

Home built firearms are not illegal at the federal level, same with bullshit registration schemes.
Some states have gone rouge and decided that firearms are to be registered and frown upon home built firearms.
Registration does not equal safety

Then what does?

Content people.

[Grinning Dragon]

Home built firearms are not illegal at the federal level, same with bullshit registration schemes.
Some states have gone rouge and decided that firearms are to be registered and frown upon home built firearms.
Registration does not equal safety

Then what does?

Then what does, what?
A law that keeps you safe? There isn't one.

[Diopolis]

Starting to think it's time to have a second shot heard round the world in MA.. the state where freedom was born and is likely to die first.

S.1389 - One gun a month, may be some other stuff but that's the core thing
S.1387 - Firearm, ammo, and parts sales tax of 4.75%, 50 BMG ban, private sales must be at dealers and imposes $25 limit on fee charged for transfer, some other crap.
H.2040 - Bans "imitation firearms" (basically airsoft guns and the like)
H.2039 - Something about tracing and gathering stats on "crime guns"
H.2048 - Allows self-adding to a "no guns list" and allows others to place you on that list seemingly fairly easily
H.3843 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.3576 - Requires annual affidavit from LTC/FID holders saying no lost or stolen guns
H.2046 - Punishment for reckless discharge of firearms
H.2045 - Some "crime gun" nonsense
H.2044 - Allows suing gun owner whose gun is lost or stolen, who fails to report the loss or theft, whose gun is subsequently used in a crime.
H.2077 - Allows taking away the vehicle of someone who transports a firearm illegally in it.
H.3577 - Establishes a "firearm violence institute" within the Department of Public Health.
H.2097 - Microstamping requirement, 15 gun per year limit, some other crap.
H.2096 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.2095 - Bans all "large capacity magazines" not registered to a specific owner, no more transfers.
H.2094 - Extra penalties for selling guns not on the "Approved Firearms Roster"
H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.2092 - Requires dealer for private sales, sets $25 max fee
H.2091 - Live fire requirement for license courses
H.2089 - Includes "dangerous" weapons in the definition of "violent crime"
S.1451 - I believe this mostly just increases punishments for various weapon-related crimes.
H.2117 - "Smart gun" Task Force
H.3782 - Requires every firearm sold by a dealer to be sent to state police to be test fired, photographed, and have a ballistics report made.
H.3783 - Annual inspection of every firearm owned, initial inspection within 10 days of receipt.
H.3781 - 10 day waiting period, 1 gun a month
H.3780 - 1 gun a month
S.1361 - Bans "ghost guns"
S.1360 - Same as H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.3927 - Straw purchase ban

Almost every single one of those is designed to inconvenience law abiding gun owners and not do anything else at all.

[East Ustya]

Then what does?

Then what does, what?
A law that keeps you safe? There isn't one.

That's a lousy excuse.

And I meant how do you prevent mass gun violence and spree shootings?

[Telconi]

Starting to think it's time to have a second shot heard round the world in MA.. the state where freedom was born and is likely to die first.

S.1389 - One gun a month, may be some other stuff but that's the core thing
S.1387 - Firearm, ammo, and parts sales tax of 4.75%, 50 BMG ban, private sales must be at dealers and imposes $25 limit on fee charged for transfer, some other crap.
H.2040 - Bans "imitation firearms" (basically airsoft guns and the like)
H.2039 - Something about tracing and gathering stats on "crime guns"
H.2048 - Allows self-adding to a "no guns list" and allows others to place you on that list seemingly fairly easily
H.3843 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.3576 - Requires annual affidavit from LTC/FID holders saying no lost or stolen guns
H.2046 - Punishment for reckless discharge of firearms
H.2045 - Some "crime gun" nonsense
H.2044 - Allows suing gun owner whose gun is lost or stolen, who fails to report the loss or theft, whose gun is subsequently used in a crime.
H.2077 - Allows taking away the vehicle of someone who transports a firearm illegally in it.
H.3577 - Establishes a "firearm violence institute" within the Department of Public Health.
H.2097 - Microstamping requirement, 15 gun per year limit, some other crap.
H.2096 - Bans "ghost guns"
H.2095 - Bans all "large capacity magazines" not registered to a specific owner, no more transfers.
H.2094 - Extra penalties for selling guns not on the "Approved Firearms Roster"
H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.2092 - Requires dealer for private sales, sets $25 max fee
H.2091 - Live fire requirement for license courses
H.2089 - Includes "dangerous" weapons in the definition of "violent crime"
S.1451 - I believe this mostly just increases punishments for various weapon-related crimes.
H.2117 - "Smart gun" Task Force
H.3782 - Requires every firearm sold by a dealer to be sent to state police to be test fired, photographed, and have a ballistics report made.
H.3783 - Annual inspection of every firearm owned, initial inspection within 10 days of receipt.
H.3781 - 10 day waiting period, 1 gun a month
H.3780 - 1 gun a month
S.1361 - Bans "ghost guns"
S.1360 - Same as H.2093 - Requires liability insurance for gun owners. Completely non-specific, requires commissioner of insurance to promulgate regulations for minimum terms of liability insurance policies.
H.3927 - Straw purchase ban

Almost every single one of those is designed to inconvenience law abiding gun owners and not do anything else at all.

You mean to tell me that people who want to harm others write laws designed to harm others? You really think people would just do that? Be assholes in government?

[Telconi]

Then what does, what?
A law that keeps you safe? There isn't one.

That's a lousy excuse.

And I meant how do you prevent mass gun violence and spree shootings?

Put robots in charge, grow all humans in funky little pods filled with some sort of bio-soup. Have the robots harvest the thermal energy of the people, and in the meantime design a virtual world in which the humans live in a state of perpetual hallucination, believing this computer generated world to be the real one.

[Estanglia]

Then what does, what?
A law that keeps you safe? There isn't one.

That's a lousy excuse.

And I meant how do you prevent mass gun violence and spree shootings?

Improve mental health services, stop glorifying the shooters, stop demonising the 'other' etc.

[East Ustya]

That's a lousy excuse.

And I meant how do you prevent mass gun violence and spree shootings?

Put robots in charge, grow all humans in funky little pods filled with some sort of bio-soup. Have the robots harvest the thermal energy of the people, and in the meantime design a virtual world in which the humans live in a state of perpetual hallucination, believing this computer generated world to be the real one.

How about something REAL.