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Eternal Lotharia wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:And your holier-than-thou attitude is why I'd rather spoil my ballot than vote for a Democrat.

Therein lies the problem. You care more about petty grudges than saving the people.


Look, I get your gun control view. I really do.



Lately I've done some soul-searching, previously believing freedom means you guys are in the right.



But that can't justify it any more. Freedom is a means to an end, for freedom on it's own is complex and mixed. We have freedom so people can live their lives without being killed or other cruelty.
But that is useless if we're sacrificing the same people the concept was designed to protect.
That's why Climate Change is more important to me than Gun Control. That's why people in my eyes need to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. That is the only morally justifiable option that I can accept even though I just recently was hardcore against Gun Control. I don't trust others to tackle it for us/me so we/I must do it.
That's why Climate Change necessitates voting for people who've genuinely believed it's a issue and need to solve it.

Kernen wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Therein lies the problem. You care more about petty grudges than saving the people.


Look, I get your gun control view. I really do.



Lately I've done some soul-searching, previously believing freedom means you guys are in the right.



But that can't justify it any more. Freedom is a means to an end, for freedom on it's own is complex and mixed. We have freedom so people can live their lives without being killed or other cruelty.
But that is useless if we're sacrificing the same people the concept was designed to protect.
That's why Climate Change is more important to me than Gun Control. That's why people in my eyes need to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. That is the only morally justifiable option that I can accept even though I just recently was hardcore against Gun Control. I don't trust others to tackle it for us/me so we/I must do it.
That's why Climate Change necessitates voting for people who've genuinely believed it's a issue and need to solve it.

When Democrats stop trying to grab our guns, some of us will consider voting for them. Simple.

“Freedom is only means to an end,” meaning expendable if it suits you. So you’re the Mussolini brand of fascist,...that’s better I guess

No the point is Freedom is not the end goal, Life is.
And God but that really is not applicable in a secular debate.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:And your holier-than-thou attitude is why I'd rather spoil my ballot than vote for a Democrat.

Therein lies the problem. You care more about petty grudges than saving the people.


Look, I get your gun control view. I really do.



Lately I've done some soul-searching, previously believing freedom means you guys are in the right.



But that can't justify it any more. Freedom is a means to an end, for freedom on it's own is complex and mixed. We have freedom so people can live their lives without being killed or other cruelty.
But that is useless if we're sacrificing the same people the concept was designed to protect.
That's why Climate Change is more important to me than Gun Control. That's why people in my eyes need to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. That is the only morally justifiable option that I can accept even though I just recently was hardcore against Gun Control. I don't trust others to tackle it for us/me so we/I must do it.
That's why Climate Change necessitates voting for people who've genuinely believed it's a issue and need to solve it.

Kowani wrote:

Kernen wrote:When Democrats stop trying to grab our guns, some of us will consider voting for them. Simple.

No, you wouldn’t. You wouldn’t trust them.

Tarsonis wrote:Better to die on your feet than live a life on your knees.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Better to die on your feet than live a life on your knees.

You have no right to cause all the others to die though!

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Better to die on your feet than live a life on your knees.

You have no right to cause all the others to die though!

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Kernen wrote:
I just have the privilege of being able to be a single issue voter.

As long as Climate Change exists, only Climate activists have that privilege.

Kernen wrote:

Kowani wrote:No, you wouldn’t. You wouldn’t trust them.

I actually trust them more than I trust the GOP. I'm broadly a democrat. I just have the privilege of being able to be a single issue voter.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Kernen wrote:
I just have the privilege of being able to be a single issue voter.

As long as Climate Change exists, only Climate activists have that privilege.

Kowani wrote:

Kernen wrote:
I actually trust them more than I trust the GOP. I'm broadly a democrat. I just have the privilege of being able to be a single issue voter.

Where do you live? Statewise, if you don’t mind.. If you don’t wanna say, that’s fine.

Kernen wrote:

Kowani wrote:Where do you live? Statewise, if you don’t mind.. If you don’t wanna say, that’s fine.

I'm on the Canadian border. I have to fend off roving bands of Mounties and polar bears.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Kernen wrote:
Clearly we do, since we've a right to vote as we see fit.

To be fair nobody in 1776 realized Climate Change as possible. Pretty sure they'd be on my side here with climate change exclusively and support changing the law Which I'm not advocating for, just making a point)(assuming they believed the facts anyway)

Kernen wrote:

Kowani wrote:Where do you live? Statewise, if you don’t mind.. If you don’t wanna say, that’s fine.

I'm on the Canadian border. I have to fend off roving bands of Mounties and polar bears.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Kernen wrote:
Clearly we do, since we've a right to vote as we see fit.

To be fair nobody in 1776 realized Climate Change as possible. Pretty sure they'd be on my side here with climate change exclusively and support changing the law Which I'm not advocating for, just making a point)(assuming they believed the facts anyway)

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
This ain’t a zero sum game.

With Climate Change, yes it is!

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Irrelevant speculation is irrelevant

Point is his justification is irrelevant.

Tarsonis wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:With Climate Change, yes it is!

No it isn’t.

Kowani wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
No it isn’t.

Kinda is. What good is a rifle to a corpse?

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

The Two Jerseys wrote:And your holier-than-thou attitude is why I'd rather spoil my ballot than vote for a Democrat.

Therein lies the problem. You care more about petty grudges than saving the people.


Look, I get your gun control view. I really do.



Lately I've done some soul-searching, previously believing freedom means you guys are in the right.



But that can't justify it any more. Freedom is a means to an end, for freedom on it's own is complex and mixed. We have freedom so people can live their lives without being killed or other cruelty.
But that is useless if we're sacrificing the same people the concept was designed to protect.
That's why Climate Change is more important to me than Gun Control. That's why people in my eyes need to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. That is the only morally justifiable option that I can accept even though I just recently was hardcore against Gun Control. I don't trust others to tackle it for us/me so we/I must do it.
That's why Climate Change necessitates voting for people who've genuinely believed it's a issue and need to solve it.

Kowani wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
No it isn’t.

Kinda is. What good is a rifle to a corpse?

Tarsonis wrote:

Kowani wrote:Kinda is. What good is a rifle to a corpse?

Climate change won’t wipe out the whole species. I’m gonna need that rifle in Lord Humungus’ wastelands

Grinning Dragon wrote:

Kowani wrote:Kinda is. What good is a rifle to a corpse?

A free rifle to be had, since the dead guy won't be needing it anymore.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
Irrelevant speculation is irrelevant

Point is his justification is irrelevant.