Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Telconi]

Boy this thread turned into a doozie didn't it. I see you're well fed Lotharia.

[Kernen]

And your holier-than-thou attitude is why I'd rather spoil my ballot than vote for a Democrat.

Therein lies the problem. You care more about petty grudges than saving the people.


Look, I get your gun control view. I really do.



Lately I've done some soul-searching, previously believing freedom means you guys are in the right.



But that can't justify it any more. Freedom is a means to an end, for freedom on it's own is complex and mixed. We have freedom so people can live their lives without being killed or other cruelty.
But that is useless if we're sacrificing the same people the concept was designed to protect.
That's why Climate Change is more important to me than Gun Control. That's why people in my eyes need to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. That is the only morally justifiable option that I can accept even though I just recently was hardcore against Gun Control. I don't trust others to tackle it for us/me so we/I must do it.
That's why Climate Change necessitates voting for people who've genuinely believed it's a issue and need to solve it.

When Democrats stop trying to grab our guns, some of us will consider voting for them. Simple.

[Kowani]

Therein lies the problem. You care more about petty grudges than saving the people.


Look, I get your gun control view. I really do.



Lately I've done some soul-searching, previously believing freedom means you guys are in the right.



But that can't justify it any more. Freedom is a means to an end, for freedom on it's own is complex and mixed. We have freedom so people can live their lives without being killed or other cruelty.
But that is useless if we're sacrificing the same people the concept was designed to protect.
That's why Climate Change is more important to me than Gun Control. That's why people in my eyes need to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. That is the only morally justifiable option that I can accept even though I just recently was hardcore against Gun Control. I don't trust others to tackle it for us/me so we/I must do it.
That's why Climate Change necessitates voting for people who've genuinely believed it's a issue and need to solve it.

When Democrats stop trying to grab our guns, some of us will consider voting for them. Simple.

No, you wouldn’t. You wouldn’t trust them.

[Tarsonis]

“Freedom is only means to an end,” meaning expendable if it suits you. So you’re the Mussolini brand of fascist,...that’s better I guess

No the point is Freedom is not the end goal, Life is.
And God but that really is not applicable in a secular debate.

Better to die on your feet than live a life on your knees.

[Grinning Dragon]

And your holier-than-thou attitude is why I'd rather spoil my ballot than vote for a Democrat.

Therein lies the problem. You care more about petty grudges than saving the people.


Look, I get your gun control view. I really do.



Lately I've done some soul-searching, previously believing freedom means you guys are in the right.



But that can't justify it any more. Freedom is a means to an end, for freedom on it's own is complex and mixed. We have freedom so people can live their lives without being killed or other cruelty.
But that is useless if we're sacrificing the same people the concept was designed to protect.
That's why Climate Change is more important to me than Gun Control. That's why people in my eyes need to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. That is the only morally justifiable option that I can accept even though I just recently was hardcore against Gun Control. I don't trust others to tackle it for us/me so we/I must do it.
That's why Climate Change necessitates voting for people who've genuinely believed it's a issue and need to solve it.

Proselytizing that one should vote demo isn't morally right. One party is just as much as like the other as in they don't give a shit and to say one is better than the other, is just like your opinion and one opinion I could never endorse..

[Kernen]

When Democrats stop trying to grab our guns, some of us will consider voting for them. Simple.

No, you wouldn’t. You wouldn’t trust them.

I actually trust them more than I trust the GOP. I'm broadly a democrat. I just have the privilege of being able to be a single issue voter.

[Kowani]

Better to die on your feet than live a life on your knees.

Let me know when your guns actually guarantee your freedom.

[Kernen]

Better to die on your feet than live a life on your knees.

You have no right to cause all the others to die though!

Clearly we do, since we've a right to vote as we see fit.

[Tarsonis]

Better to die on your feet than live a life on your knees.

You have no right to cause all the others to die though!

I’m not causing others to die, I’m refusing to capitulate to tyranny. This ain’t a zero sum game.

[Kernen]

I just have the privilege of being able to be a single issue voter.

As long as Climate Change exists, only Climate activists have that privilege.

Again, I'm not going to live long enough to see climate change kill humanity. It doesn't make a big difference to me. So I do have that privilege.

[Kowani]

No, you wouldn’t. You wouldn’t trust them.

I actually trust them more than I trust the GOP. I'm broadly a democrat. I just have the privilege of being able to be a single issue voter.

Where do you live? Statewise, if you don’t mind.. If you don’t wanna say, that’s fine.

[Tarsonis]

I just have the privilege of being able to be a single issue voter.

As long as Climate Change exists, only Climate activists have that privilege.

“My beliefs are superior to all others”. Ffs, you’re not even original

[Kernen]

I actually trust them more than I trust the GOP. I'm broadly a democrat. I just have the privilege of being able to be a single issue voter.

Where do you live? Statewise, if you don’t mind.. If you don’t wanna say, that’s fine.

I'm on the Canadian border. I have to fend off roving bands of Mounties and polar bears.

[Tarsonis]

Where do you live? Statewise, if you don’t mind.. If you don’t wanna say, that’s fine.

I'm on the Canadian border. I have to fend off roving bands of Mounties and polar bears.

Don’t worry, hockey season starts soon. Should solve both issues

[Kernen]

Clearly we do, since we've a right to vote as we see fit.

To be fair nobody in 1776 realized Climate Change as possible. Pretty sure they'd be on my side here with climate change exclusively and support changing the law Which I'm not advocating for, just making a point)(assuming they believed the facts anyway)

Good for them? How does that matter?

[Kowani]

Where do you live? Statewise, if you don’t mind.. If you don’t wanna say, that’s fine.

I'm on the Canadian border. I have to fend off roving bands of Mounties and polar bears.

I see.

[Tarsonis]

Clearly we do, since we've a right to vote as we see fit.

To be fair nobody in 1776 realized Climate Change as possible. Pretty sure they'd be on my side here with climate change exclusively and support changing the law Which I'm not advocating for, just making a point)(assuming they believed the facts anyway)

Irrelevant speculation is irrelevant

[Tarsonis]

This ain’t a zero sum game.

With Climate Change, yes it is!

No it isn’t.

[Tarsonis]

Irrelevant speculation is irrelevant

Point is his justification is irrelevant.

So is yours considering Benjamin Franklin is actually quoted contradicting your premise here

[Kowani]

With Climate Change, yes it is!

No it isn’t.

Kinda is. What good is a rifle to a corpse?

[Tarsonis]

No it isn’t.

Kinda is. What good is a rifle to a corpse?

Climate change won’t wipe out the whole species. I’m gonna need that rifle in Lord Humungus’ wastelands

[The Two Jerseys]

And your holier-than-thou attitude is why I'd rather spoil my ballot than vote for a Democrat.

Therein lies the problem. You care more about petty grudges than saving the people.


Look, I get your gun control view. I really do.



Lately I've done some soul-searching, previously believing freedom means you guys are in the right.



But that can't justify it any more. Freedom is a means to an end, for freedom on it's own is complex and mixed. We have freedom so people can live their lives without being killed or other cruelty.
But that is useless if we're sacrificing the same people the concept was designed to protect.
That's why Climate Change is more important to me than Gun Control. That's why people in my eyes need to overwhelmingly vote Democrat. That is the only morally justifiable option that I can accept even though I just recently was hardcore against Gun Control. I don't trust others to tackle it for us/me so we/I must do it.
That's why Climate Change necessitates voting for people who've genuinely believed it's a issue and need to solve it.

TIL not wanting insufferable people with shitty ideas telling me how to live my life because they know better than I do is a "petty grudge".

[Grinning Dragon]

No it isn’t.

Kinda is. What good is a rifle to a corpse?

A free rifle to be had, since the dead guy won't be needing it anymore.

[Kowani]

Kinda is. What good is a rifle to a corpse?

Climate change won’t wipe out the whole species. I’m gonna need that rifle in Lord Humungus’ wastelands

Don’t you live on the coast?

Kinda is. What good is a rifle to a corpse?

A free rifle to be had, since the dead guy won't be needing it anymore.

You’re deliberately missing the point.

[Kernen]

Irrelevant speculation is irrelevant

Point is his justification is irrelevant.

There's little doubt that the founding fathers would prefer I have the ability to vote. They wrote a fair bit about how important that was.

It isn't irrelevant, because even if the founding fathers were willing to ignore democracy for exigence, their opinions mean exactly nothing to the current democratic arrangement.