Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Gun Manufacturers]

I've decided I support background checks. It's not that big of an issue, and I think we can arrange for a non-governmental body to have control so the government can't manipulate it.

If non-FFL holders could get free access to NICS to run those background checks, I could be in favor of background checks as well. At least, I could be in favor of them as long as GCAs don't try to slip some nasty piece of GC legislation into the bill.

[Telconi]

I've decided I support background checks. It's not that big of an issue, and I think we can arrange for a non-governmental body to have control so the government can't manipulate it.

If non-FFL holders could get free access to NICS to run those background checks, I could be in favor of background checks as well. At least, I could be in favor of them as long as GCAs don't try to slip some nasty piece of GC legislation into the bill.

That's like saying you're in favor of mammals which don't try to breathe air.

[Telconi]

If non-FFL holders could get free access to NICS to run those background checks, I could be in favor of background checks as well. At least, I could be in favor of them as long as GCAs don't try to slip some nasty piece of GC legislation into the bill.

I will certainly look into that.

I am very much willing to work with anyone against gun control to make sure gun control can be done without harming their right to bear arms against a tyrannical government, and other stuff, as much as I can. I've shifted my gun control position not because I'm anti-2nd amendment, but I want to find a solution that works for everybody.

It's not possible, it is truly a zero sum game.

[The Chuck]

I've decided I support background checks. It's not that big of an issue, and I think we can arrange for a non-governmental body to have control so the government can't manipulate it.

If non-FFL holders could get free access to NICS to run those background checks, I could be in favor of background checks as well. At least, I could be in favor of them as long as GCAs don't try to slip some nasty piece of GC legislation into the bill.

Going to add on to this... No government body should be able to know how many arms you own. Some will say the government shouldn't even know that you're armed and I sort of support this. If you really want background checks, maybe make it a straight "mental health" check where you'd need it to get licensed for a car/etc. so it wouldn't be linked directly to firearms? Just a thought. Some will probably disagree with me on this too though.

[Gig em Aggies]

If non-FFL holders could get free access to NICS to run those background checks, I could be in favor of background checks as well. At least, I could be in favor of them as long as GCAs don't try to slip some nasty piece of GC legislation into the bill.

Going to add on to this... No government body should be able to know how many arms you own. Some will say the government shouldn't even know that you're armed and I sort of support this. If you really want background checks, maybe make it a straight "mental health" check where you'd need it to get licensed for a car/etc. so it wouldn't be linked directly to firearms? Just a thought. Some will probably disagree with me on this too though.

Well if they can't know your armed then how will they know you can handle a situation.

Points for the house that gets the bad "DaD" joke

[Grinning Dragon]

Meh, not a fan of background checks, I say get rid of the damn thing.
I find it odd in how so many are comfortable requiring one enumerated negative right with conditions and qualifiers, in general asking permission to exercise.
To me it is no longer a right, it's been turned into a privilege, all in the name of illusionary safety.

[Telconi]

Meh, not a fan of background checks, I say get rid of the damn thing.
I find it odd in how so many are comfortable requiring one enumerated negative right with conditions and qualifiers, in general asking permission to exercise.
To me it is no longer a right, it's been turned into a privilege, all in the name of illusionary safety.

All while insisting they value the 2nd amendment.

[Telconi]

Meh, not a fan of background checks, I say get rid of the damn thing.
I find it odd in how so many are comfortable requiring one enumerated negative right with conditions and qualifiers, in general asking permission to exercise.
To me it is no longer a right, it's been turned into a privilege, all in the name of illusionary safety.

Suburban womenn overwhelmingly support background checks.

Who cares?

[Tarsonis]

Meh, not a fan of background checks, I say get rid of the damn thing.
I find it odd in how so many are comfortable requiring one enumerated negative right with conditions and qualifiers, in general asking permission to exercise.
To me it is no longer a right, it's been turned into a privilege, all in the name of illusionary safety.

Suburban womenn overwhelmingly support background checks.

Some of us stand on principle, not what the target demographics support

[Grinning Dragon]

Meh, not a fan of background checks, I say get rid of the damn thing.
I find it odd in how so many are comfortable requiring one enumerated negative right with conditions and qualifiers, in general asking permission to exercise.
To me it is no longer a right, it's been turned into a privilege, all in the name of illusionary safety.

Suburban women overwhelmingly support background checks.

What makes suburban women so special and wise? I really don't care what they support.

[The Chuck]

Meh, not a fan of background checks, I say get rid of the damn thing.
I find it odd in how so many are comfortable requiring one enumerated negative right with conditions and qualifiers, in general asking permission to exercise.
To me it is no longer a right, it's been turned into a privilege, all in the name of illusionary safety.

Suburban womenn overwhelmingly support background checks.

Suburban women don't live in the areas where you've got large groups of gang bangers and thugs who don't give a rat's ass about the law too...

[Grinning Dragon]

What makes suburban women so special and wise? I really don't care what they support.

Point is, Democrats are mostly Urban, because for some reason urban voters in most states favor them. Democrats can't get elected without representing those voters even in a moderate manner.

At some point you'll have to realize that for politicians where gun control isn't everything and only just a part of their views they have to fight for they have to compromise. Your issue is not with politicians but the Urban.

I want you guys to evolve your understanding on this issue so you guys can see everything in a more educated and rational light and act pragmatically else you'd destroy your own cause.

Sometimes politicians are held hostage by voters and if you oppose them you'll only encounter more weak politicians, but you guys are destroying everything to fight for something not as important and ruining the planet and being the problem. I don't like saying this but after thinking about climate change I've realized this and realized that you hating on people adapting to their environment with little choice is self-destructive and selfish.

I'm fully aware of why and how those urbanites think/believe, etc. and such wrong think it isn't just limited to urbanites, wrong think is still wrong think regardless.
Interestingly enough, attacks on the 1st, 4th and 5th have also increased as of late with the same thought process of adding conditions and qualifiers.
You view it as being selfish in regards to individual rights/liberties, I see it as protecting an enumerated negative right, rights are more important than temporary illusionary safety.
It is in everyone's interest to push back against infringements, lest we lose them all.

[Grinning Dragon]

I'm fully aware of why and how those urbanites think/believe, etc. and such wrong think it isn't just limited to urbanites, wrong think is still wrong think regardless.
Interestingly enough, attacks on the 1st, 4th and 5th have also increased as of late with the same thought process of adding conditions and qualifiers.
You view it as being selfish in regards to individual rights/liberties, I see it as protecting an enumerated negative right, rights are more important than temporary illusionary safety.
It is in everyone's interest to push back against infringements, lest we lose them all.

Climate Change is more important than Gun Control.
That's my main point.

All Earthly life cannot be restored if the climate turns, your views of freedom can.

If you say so. I don't see it that way.

[Tarsonis]

If you say so. I don't see it that way.

In my view it's the non-psychotic view.

Dude you were just warned for calling other people’s views psychotic

[Tarsonis]

Dude you were just warned for calling other people’s views psychotic

That was more advice and irrelevant in this context, that's a really weak counter, showing lack of argument. Pretty sickened honestly.

I don’t really give a shit if you’re sickened or not. You were warned for this exact behavior

[Tarsonis]

I don’t really give a shit if you’re sickened or not. You were warned for this exact behavior

Check the thread. It was pretty obvious their response, stop with your distorting the facts like Trump does.

Your genuine belief does not excuse you. You were expressly told by farn not to use loaded terms like
Psychotic. You chose to ignore that, and continue the line of behavior. I’ve distorted nothing. And get new material, your political posturing doesn’t work on me, I’m not a democrat.

[Kernen]

I'm not going to live long enough to have climate change kill me, so gun control really is more important to me. Nothing psychotic there.

[Pacomia]

I'm not going to live long enough to have climate change kill me, so gun control really is more important to me. Nothing psychotic there.

Wait, but you have no regard for later generations?

[Kernen]

I'm not going to live long enough to have climate change kill me, so gun control really is more important to me. Nothing psychotic there.

Wait, but you have no regard for later generations?

Why would I?

[Tarsonis]

Your genuine belief does not excuse you. You were expressly told by farn not to use loaded terms like
Psychotic. You chose to ignore that, and continue the line of behavior. I’ve distorted nothing. And get new material, your political posturing doesn’t work on me, I’m not a democrat.

I'm sorry but I give a fuck about people. I'm not expecting you to be a Democrat I expect you to care about people beyond your lifetime and accept facts as basic human decency.

Stop using Mods words as weapons and acting as if it was a order.

Your own self engrandizement doesn’t excuse your actions.

[Kernen]

I'm sorry but I give a fuck about people. I'm not expecting you to be a Democrat I expect you to care about people beyond your lifetime and accept facts as basic human decency.

Stop using Mods words as weapons and acting as if it was a order.

Why?

[Grinning Dragon]

Your genuine belief does not excuse you. You were expressly told by farn not to use loaded terms like
Psychotic. You chose to ignore that, and continue the line of behavior. I’ve distorted nothing. And get new material, your political posturing doesn’t work on me, I’m not a democrat.

I'm sorry but I give a fuck about people. I'm not expecting you to be a Democrat I expect you to care about people beyond your lifetime and accept facts as basic human decency.

Stop using Mods words as weapons and acting as if it was a order.

Standing up to further encroachments on an enumerated negative right is also "giving a fuck" about people. Gun control disproportionately affects minorities and those of lesser means, and also throws up barriers to access tools to defend life and limb. At least with standing up for rights is attainable than an unknown.

[Kernen]

Standing up to further encroachments on an enumerated negative right is also "giving a fuck" about people. Gun control disproportionately affects minorities and those of lesser means, and also throws up barriers to access tools to defend life and limb. At least with standing up for rights attainable than an unknown.

My point is about prioritizing Gun Control over life. You'll be at fault for the destruction of the world or voting for less gun control over saving climate change when gun control can be reversed. That's sickening and betrayal of your family.

What if you don't like your family?

[Tarsonis]

Standing up to further encroachments on an enumerated negative right is also "giving a fuck" about people. Gun control disproportionately affects minorities and those of lesser means, and also throws up barriers to access tools to defend life and limb. At least with standing up for rights attainable than an unknown.

My point is about prioritizing Gun Control over life. You'll be at fault for the destruction of the world or voting for less gun control over saving climate change when gun control can be reversed. That's sickening and betrayal of your family.

How convenient that we’re the ones who have to compromise and you don't

[Grinning Dragon]

Standing up to further encroachments on an enumerated negative right is also "giving a fuck" about people. Gun control disproportionately affects minorities and those of lesser means, and also throws up barriers to access tools to defend life and limb. At least with standing up for rights attainable than an unknown.

My point is about prioritizing Gun Control over life. You'll be at fault for the destruction of the world or voting for less gun control over saving climate change when gun control can be reversed. That's sickening and betrayal of your family.

Wow I feel like Atlas with all of that weight you've heaped upon me. As I've said, gun control is more of a killer than it is a savior