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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:55 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Kernen wrote:I'm never sure how punishing those who use firearms illegally isn't enough for gun grabbers. Why punish the guy who commits no crime?

Follow the money.


$13.5 billion revenue for the civilian gun and ammunition industry in the US in 2015. How much does the gun grabber industry earn?

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:08 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Follow the money.


$13.5 billion revenue for the civilian gun and ammunition industry in the US in 2015. How much does the gun grabber industry earn?

If they sold things people wanted to buy, they would make money. That's how things like this work.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:15 pm

Kernen wrote:I'm never sure how punishing those who use firearms illegally isn't enough for gun grabbers. Why punish the guy who commits no crime?


Because it isn't about the crimes, it's about people liking what they don't like.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:15 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
$13.5 billion revenue for the civilian gun and ammunition industry in the US in 2015. How much does the gun grabber industry earn?

If they sold things people wanted to buy, they would make money. That's how things like this work.


What? That makes zero sense when you understand the post I was replying to.

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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:35 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:If they sold things people wanted to buy, they would make money. That's how things like this work.


What? That makes zero sense when you understand the post I was replying to.


The post you made is ridiculous, gun manufacturers make that money when they sell a product. What product do gun grabbers sell?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:45 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What? That makes zero sense when you understand the post I was replying to.


The post you made is ridiculous, gun manufacturers make that money when they sell a product. What product do gun grabbers sell?


Did you read the post I was replying to?

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:09 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The post you made is ridiculous, gun manufacturers make that money when they sell a product. What product do gun grabbers sell?


Did you read the post I was replying to?

The person you were replying to wasn't saying there was a great 'gun grabber industry,' just that rich anti-gun people donate to gun control orgs.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:16 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Did you read the post I was replying to?

The person you were replying to wasn't saying there was a great 'gun grabber industry,' just that rich anti-gun people donate to gun control orgs.


And my counter point is that there is a $13 billion industry that is opposed to them. You can't be so thick that I have to explain this to you.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:28 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The person you were replying to wasn't saying there was a great 'gun grabber industry,' just that rich anti-gun people donate to gun control orgs.


And my counter point is that there is a $13 billion industry that is opposed to them. You can't be so thick that I have to explain this to you.

They've got other things to spend money on though.
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“Silent acquiescence in the face of tyranny is no better than outright agreement." - C.J. Redwine
“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." - Jeff Cooper

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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:31 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The person you were replying to wasn't saying there was a great 'gun grabber industry,' just that rich anti-gun people donate to gun control orgs.


And my counter point is that there is a $13 billion industry that is opposed to them. You can't be so thick that I have to explain this to you.


Found your problem...
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
And my counter point is that there is a $13 billion industry that is opposed to them. You can't be so thick that I have to explain this to you.


Found your problem...


No you didn't. You just proved my point. Follow the money.

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Postby The Chuck » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:38 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Found your problem...


No you didn't. You just proved my point. Follow the money.


According to the Small Arms Survey, the US has about 393 Million firearms in private hands. If we assumed all 393 million firearms was a cheap 169 dollar pistol, that would make the firearm market in the US to be $66.4 Billion. So I think your donors are going to need to donate a bit more to get rid of firearms...
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:46 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Found your problem...


No you didn't. You just proved my point. Follow the money.


Money has got nothing to do with it.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:53 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Follow the money.


$13.5 billion revenue for the civilian gun and ammunition industry in the US in 2015. How much does the gun grabber industry earn?

Turns out that industries which make products that people want tend to earn a lot of money.
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Postby Takso » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:35 pm

It is within the best interests of those who profit from the manufacturing and sale of firearms to civilians to lobby for less restrictions on such products' purchases.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:02 pm

Takso wrote:It is within the best interests of those who profit from the manufacturing and sale of firearms to civilians to lobby for less restrictions on such products' purchases.

It is within the best interests of the American people to fight for less restrictions on firearms.
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Postby Takso » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:19 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Takso wrote:It is within the best interests of those who profit from the manufacturing and sale of firearms to civilians to lobby for less restrictions on such products' purchases.

It is within the best interests of the American people to fight for less restrictions on firearms.


That's the spirit!

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:42 am

The Chuck wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
No you didn't. You just proved my point. Follow the money.


According to the Small Arms Survey, the US has about 393 Million firearms in private hands. If we assumed all 393 million firearms was a cheap 169 dollar pistol, that would make the firearm market in the US to be $66.4 Billion. So I think your donors are going to need to donate a bit more to get rid of firearms...


Some reasonable estimates puts the number of guns at up to 700 million.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:44 am

The Chuck wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
No you didn't. You just proved my point. Follow the money.


According to the Small Arms Survey, the US has about 393 Million firearms in private hands. If we assumed all 393 million firearms was a cheap 169 dollar pistol, that would make the firearm market in the US to be $66.4 Billion. So I think your donors are going to need to donate a bit more to get rid of firearms...


Does America get to buy 169 dollar pistols?
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:50 am

Telconi wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
According to the Small Arms Survey, the US has about 393 Million firearms in private hands. If we assumed all 393 million firearms was a cheap 169 dollar pistol, that would make the firearm market in the US to be $66.4 Billion. So I think your donors are going to need to donate a bit more to get rid of firearms...


Does America get to buy 169 dollar pistols?


Some are even cheaper. I would want to depend on them though.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:58 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Does America get to buy 169 dollar pistols?


Some are even cheaper. I would want to depend on them though.


Cheapest gun I've ever seen in a gun store was a $99.99 .22LR single action revolver. Cheapest functional gun I think I've ever seen is a Hi-Point, (I use the word functional loosely) and those were running about 250, plus tax and tyranny.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:00 am

Telconi wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Some are even cheaper. I would want to depend on them though.


Cheapest gun I've ever seen in a gun store was a $99.99 .22LR single action revolver. Cheapest functional gun I think I've ever seen is a Hi-Point, (I use the word functional loosely) and those were running about 250, plus tax and tyranny.

I wonder if the government should consider giving everybody a cheap gun for self-defence purposes? Obviously the gun market remains as it is, but everybody has a gun in the house.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:03 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Cheapest gun I've ever seen in a gun store was a $99.99 .22LR single action revolver. Cheapest functional gun I think I've ever seen is a Hi-Point, (I use the word functional loosely) and those were running about 250, plus tax and tyranny.

I wonder if the government should consider giving everybody a cheap gun for self-defence purposes? Obviously the gun market remains as it is, but everybody has a gun in the house.


Even if that was somehow required I'd hardly trust a gun provided for me by the state of California.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:04 am

Telconi wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Some are even cheaper. I would want to depend on them though.


Cheapest gun I've ever seen in a gun store was a $99.99 .22LR single action revolver. Cheapest functional gun I think I've ever seen is a Hi-Point, (I use the word functional loosely) and those were running about 250, plus tax and tyranny.


I've seen$100 semi-auto .22 and .25s. You might be able to find $100 .22 rifles.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:06 am

Telconi wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I wonder if the government should consider giving everybody a cheap gun for self-defence purposes? Obviously the gun market remains as it is, but everybody has a gun in the house.


Even if that was somehow required I'd hardly trust a gun provided for me by the state of California.


flintlock .22 would be the best you could hope for. :rofl:
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