Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[The Black Forrest]

No.

So why target possession of guns if they aren't the cause of the problem you're trying to fix?

Why take the question on a tangent?

[The East Marches II]

Indeed.

And if we really, really are lucky, the GCA's/Dems will finally get the hint and stop this stupid witch hunt against firearms and actually go after tangible things that might actually have a positive outcome for a change.

Would they now? And what would those be?

*sensing paper tigers*

Having the police show up to work for one. Writing off whole sections of a town isn't conducive to the crime rate wouldn't you agree?

[Kubrath]

Hey, you guys and gals remember when patriotic Americans en masse stood up to government tyranny and stopped it from forcing innocent Japanese-Americans into internment camps? Or when die-hard freedom lovers came out in droves to defend their fellow black Americans from the injustice of the government when they were out marching for their right to be equal under the law? Yeah, great times, huh? Really shows you the spirit and integrity of true Americans. Oh, wait. That never fucking happened.

[Wysten]

Hey, you guys and gals remember when patriotic Americans en masse stood up to government tyranny and stopped it from forcing innocent Japanese-Americans into internment camps? Or when die-hard freedom lovers came out in droves to defend their fellow black Americans from the injustice of the government when they were out marching for their right to be equal under the law? Yeah, great times, huh? Really shows you the spirit and integrity of true Americans. Oh, wait. That never fucking happened.

You seem open to debate now what are your thoughts on gun control?

[Kubrath]

Hey, you guys and gals remember when patriotic Americans en masse stood up to government tyranny and stopped it from forcing innocent Japanese-Americans into internment camps? Or when die-hard freedom lovers came out in droves to defend their fellow black Americans from the injustice of the government when they were out marching for their right to be equal under the law? Yeah, great times, huh? Really shows you the spirit and integrity of true Americans. Oh, wait. That never fucking happened.

You seem open to debate now what are your thoughts on gun control?

People should have firearms for self-defense but not an entire arsenal. That's just ridiculous. Background checks should be accompanied by a well-documented and transparent database for sellers to use in deciding who should be able to purchase a weapon from them. Bump stocks shouldn't be a thing. The government should be able to take away the guns of people with a proven track record of disrupting the community in a malicious way. Better training and education needs to be provided to those who carry weapons. I know these things are hard to delineate but serious and immediate discussion needs to happen and serious and immediate self-reflection also needs to happen.

[Ors Might]

Hey, you guys and gals remember when patriotic Americans en masse stood up to government tyranny and stopped it from forcing innocent Japanese-Americans into internment camps? Or when die-hard freedom lovers came out in droves to defend their fellow black Americans from the injustice of the government when they were out marching for their right to be equal under the law? Yeah, great times, huh? Really shows you the spirit and integrity of true Americans. Oh, wait. That never fucking happened.

And thus because it didn’t happen, you want to make sure that it can never happen? What’s your argument here?

[Sovaal]

Hey, you guys and gals remember when patriotic Americans en masse stood up to government tyranny and stopped it from forcing innocent Japanese-Americans into internment camps? Or when die-hard freedom lovers came out in droves to defend their fellow black Americans from the injustice of the government when they were out marching for their right to be equal under the law? Yeah, great times, huh? Really shows you the spirit and integrity of true Americans. Oh, wait. That never fucking happened.

Youre right, those were injustices against America and Americans. Your point?

[Ors Might]

You seem open to debate now what are your thoughts on gun control?

People should have firearms for self-defense but not an entire arsenal. That's just ridiculous. Background checks should be accompanied by a well-documented and transparent database for sellers to use in deciding who should be able to purchase a weapon from them. Bump stocks shouldn't be a thing. The government should be able to take away the guns of people with a proven track record of disrupting the community in a malicious way. Better training and education needs to provided to those who carry weapons. I know these things are hard to delineate but serious and immediate discussion needs to happen and serious and immediate self-reflection also needs to happen.

What do you mean by disrupting the community in a malicious way? And I’ve seen a poster or two saying that they’re willing to give up bumpstucks if certain laws are revoked.

[Kubrath]

Hey, you guys and gals remember when patriotic Americans en masse stood up to government tyranny and stopped it from forcing innocent Japanese-Americans into internment camps? Or when die-hard freedom lovers came out in droves to defend their fellow black Americans from the injustice of the government when they were out marching for their right to be equal under the law? Yeah, great times, huh? Really shows you the spirit and integrity of true Americans. Oh, wait. That never fucking happened.

And thus because it didn’t happen, you want to make sure that it can never happen? What’s your argument here?

What I want to do here is to point out to those who cry "muh freedoms" to stop and think about how well they practice what they preach. The "it was a long time ago, it doesn't concern me" argument is the weakest shit one can come up with. Instead of running around pretending to be a victim, how about one goes and asks their granddaddy or their daddy about how well they used their 2nd Amendment rights to curtail government oppression during their lifetime.

[Kubrath]

People should have firearms for self-defense but not an entire arsenal. That's just ridiculous. Background checks should be accompanied by a well-documented and transparent database for sellers to use in deciding who should be able to purchase a weapon from them. Bump stocks shouldn't be a thing. The government should be able to take away the guns of people with a proven track record of disrupting the community in a malicious way. Better training and education needs to provided to those who carry weapons. I know these things are hard to delineate but serious and immediate discussion needs to happen and serious and immediate self-reflection also needs to happen.

What do you mean by disrupting the community in a malicious way? And I’ve seen a poster or two saying that they’re willing to give up bumpstucks if certain laws are revoked.

Such as this.

[Ors Might]

And thus because it didn’t happen, you want to make sure that it can never happen? What’s your argument here?

What I want to do here is to point out to those who cry "muh freedoms" to stop and think about how well they practice what they preach. The "it was a long time ago, it doesn't concern me" argument is the weakest shit one can come up with. Instead of running around pretending to be a victim, how about one goes and asks their granddaddy or their daddy about how well they used their 2nd Amendment rights to curtail government oppression during their lifetime.

..Right, because someone else being chicken shit is justification for imposing chicken shit attitudes. I honestly can’t say that I would absolutely take up arms to fight against clear government tyranny. I’d like to say that I would but I haven’t been in that situation, fortunately. But it’s a lot easier for people willing to fight against tyrants to do so when they aren’t only allowed to wield sling shots.

[Ors Might]

What do you mean by disrupting the community in a malicious way? And I’ve seen a poster or two saying that they’re willing to give up bumpstucks if certain laws are revoked.

Such as this.

FBI dropped the ball on that one, though whether it’s due to incompetence or to flawed policy I’m not sure. I agree that there should be something in place to disarm high risk individuals but it would have to be through due process. We should never get into the practice of making it too easy to deprive someone of their rights.

[Kubrath]

What I want to do here is to point out to those who cry "muh freedoms" to stop and think about how well they practice what they preach. The "it was a long time ago, it doesn't concern me" argument is the weakest shit one can come up with. Instead of running around pretending to be a victim, how about one goes and asks their granddaddy or their daddy about how well they used their 2nd Amendment rights to curtail government oppression during their lifetime.

..Right, because someone else being chicken shit is justification for imposing chicken shit attitudes. I honestly can’t say that I would absolutely take up arms to fight against clear government tyranny. I’d like to say that I would but I haven’t been in that situation, fortunately. But it’s a lot easier for people willing to fight against tyrants to do so when they aren’t only allowed to wield sling shots.

Yeah, that's why I find it hard to take anyone being a snarky little ass on the Internet seriously when their principles don't go further than the range of their router. There are many ways to fight government tyranny other than sheer force. But if you do have sheer force and you really do hold your rights dear, then you should use it to protect the rights of others as well. If you don't, then no one should have any incentive to take your appeals to freedom seriously.

[Kubrath]

Such as this.

FBI dropped the ball on that one, though whether it’s due to incompetence or to flawed policy I’m not sure. I agree that there should be something in place to disarm high risk individuals but it would have to be through due process. We should never get into the practice of making it too easy to deprive someone of their rights.

Of course. Due process is also a constitutional right. Balance is key. That's where discussion comes in. Case by case basis is a better option than a catch-all.

[Ors Might]

..Right, because someone else being chicken shit is justification for imposing chicken shit attitudes. I honestly can’t say that I would absolutely take up arms to fight against clear government tyranny. I’d like to say that I would but I haven’t been in that situation, fortunately. But it’s a lot easier for people willing to fight against tyrants to do so when they aren’t only allowed to wield sling shots.

Yeah, that's why I find it hard to take anyone being a snarky little ass on the Internet seriously when their principles don't go further than the range of their router. There are many ways to fight government tyranny other than sheer force. But if you do have sheer force and you really do hold your rights dear, then you should use it to protect the rights of others as well. If you don't, then no one should have any incentive to take your appeals to freedom seriously.

Fortunately, revolt against government tyranny isn’t the only snarky appeal to freedom I got. Personally, I feel the right to protect your ass is a stronger argument these days.

[Ors Might]

FBI dropped the ball on that one, though whether it’s due to incompetence or to flawed policy I’m not sure. I agree that there should be something in place to disarm high risk individuals but it would have to be through due process. We should never get into the practice of making it too easy to deprive someone of their rights.

Of course. Due process is also a constitutional right. Balance is key. That's where discussion comes in. Case by case basis is a better option than a catch-all.

Agreed. I’d also venture to state that we should be careful not to deprive people of firearms for the simple fact that they take medication to help their mental health. They tend to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators and the stereotypes surrounding mental illness really isn’t helping people come forth for treatment.

[Kubrath]

Yeah, that's why I find it hard to take anyone being a snarky little ass on the Internet seriously when their principles don't go further than the range of their router. There are many ways to fight government tyranny other than sheer force. But if you do have sheer force and you really do hold your rights dear, then you should use it to protect the rights of others as well. If you don't, then no one should have any incentive to take your appeals to freedom seriously.

Fortunately, revolt against government tyranny isn’t the only snarky appeal to freedom I got. Personally, I feel the right to protect your ass is a stronger argument these days.

I wasn't talking about you, but if you identify with that description that's fine by me. So long as you're clear on where you stand and are consistent, I've got no problem with that. But the thing is, if nobody's got your back, you can't really protect your ass.

[Ors Might]

Fortunately, revolt against government tyranny isn’t the only snarky appeal to freedom I got. Personally, I feel the right to protect your ass is a stronger argument these days.

I wasn't talking about you, but if you identify with that description that's fine by me. So long as you're clear on where you stand and are consistent, I've got no problem with that. But the thing is, if nobody's got your back, you can't really protect your ass.

Fair enough, strength in numbers. Still, as a five foot five bookworm seemingly surrounded by titans, I generally like my odds of surviving a potentially violent encounter better when I’m armed.

[Kubrath]

I wasn't talking about you, but if you identify with that description that's fine by me. So long as you're clear on where you stand and are consistent, I've got no problem with that. But the thing is, if nobody's got your back, you can't really protect your ass.

Fair enough, strength in numbers. Still, as a five foot five bookworm seemingly surrounded by titans, I generally like my odds of surviving a potentially violent encounter better when I’m armed.

When the other guy has drones, tanks and bombers, you'll find those odds shrinking rapidly to the point of insignificance. But hey, at least you'll go out with a fight.

[Ors Might]

Fair enough, strength in numbers. Still, as a five foot five bookworm seemingly surrounded by titans, I generally like my odds of surviving a potentially violent encounter better when I’m armed.

When the other guy has drones, tanks and bombers, you'll find those odds shrinking rapidly to the point of insignificance. But hey, at least you'll go out with a fight.

I mean, in that situation I’d be screwed either way. At least that way I could maintain some image of dignity.

[Sovaal]

You seem open to debate now what are your thoughts on gun control?

People should have firearms for self-defense but not an entire arsenal. That's just ridiculous. Background checks should be accompanied by a well-documented and transparent database for sellers to use in deciding who should be able to purchase a weapon from them. Bump stocks shouldn't be a thing. The government should be able to take away the guns of people with a proven track record of disrupting the community in a malicious way. Better training and education needs to be provided to those who carry weapons. I know these things are hard to delineate but serious and immediate discussion needs to happen and serious and immediate self-reflection also needs to happen.

If a person can be trusted with one gun why not multiple? That’s just ridiculous.

[Sovaal]

..Right, because someone else being chicken shit is justification for imposing chicken shit attitudes. I honestly can’t say that I would absolutely take up arms to fight against clear government tyranny. I’d like to say that I would but I haven’t been in that situation, fortunately. But it’s a lot easier for people willing to fight against tyrants to do so when they aren’t only allowed to wield sling shots.

Yeah, that's why I find it hard to take anyone being a snarky little ass on the Internet seriously when their principles don't go further than the range of their router. There are many ways to fight government tyranny other than sheer force. But if you do have sheer force and you really do hold your rights dear, then you should use it to protect the rights of others as well. If you don't, then no one should have any incentive to take your appeals to freedom seriously.

Last I checked most of us weren’t alive in the 40’s and 60’s, or at least actionable adults.

[Kubrath]

Yeah, that's why I find it hard to take anyone being a snarky little ass on the Internet seriously when their principles don't go further than the range of their router. There are many ways to fight government tyranny other than sheer force. But if you do have sheer force and you really do hold your rights dear, then you should use it to protect the rights of others as well. If you don't, then no one should have any incentive to take your appeals to freedom seriously.

Last I checked most of us weren’t alive in the 40’s and 60’s, or at least actionable adults.

I'll just tell you what I told the other person:
"What I want to do here is to point out to those who cry "muh freedoms" to stop and think about how well they practice what they preach. The "it was a long time ago, it doesn't concern me" argument is the weakest shit one can come up with. Instead of running around pretending to be a victim, how about one goes and asks their granddaddy or their daddy about how well they used their 2nd Amendment rights to curtail government oppression during their lifetime."

[Petrasylvania]

People should have firearms for self-defense but not an entire arsenal. That's just ridiculous. Background checks should be accompanied by a well-documented and transparent database for sellers to use in deciding who should be able to purchase a weapon from them. Bump stocks shouldn't be a thing. The government should be able to take away the guns of people with a proven track record of disrupting the community in a malicious way. Better training and education needs to be provided to those who carry weapons. I know these things are hard to delineate but serious and immediate discussion needs to happen and serious and immediate self-reflection also needs to happen.

If a person can be trusted with one gun why not multiple? That’s just ridiculous.

How many guns do people need to defend themselves outside of a warzone or zombie apocalypse? Never heard of a shooter stopped by someone wielding two guns akimbo.

[Sovaal]

Last I checked most of us weren’t alive in the 40’s and 60’s, or at least actionable adults.

I'll just tell you what I told the other person:
"What I want to do here is to point out to those who cry "muh freedoms" to stop and think about how well they practice what they preach. The "it was a long time ago, it doesn't concern me" argument is the weakest shit one can come up with. Instead of running around pretending to be a victim, how about one goes and asks their granddaddy or their daddy about how well they used their 2nd Amendment rights to curtail government oppression during their lifetime."

Uh huh. Tell me, how am I supposed to right atrocities made years ago?
And I fail to see how I’m “pretending to be a victim”. But hey, you just want to insult me that’s fine too I guess.