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Gun Control n Stuff - Only 2 Options Pick Carefully

If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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50%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
210
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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Total votes : 1277

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:45 pm

Telconi wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Unfortunately I have, eye bleach doesn't work either. :p
Same with that worthless cunt sarah brady, felt sorry for her husband being paraded around as her personal meat puppet to be used as a prop.


AFAIK He was just as guilty as she.

From what I remember, the whole brady bill bullshit was her idea. Jim for the most part was pro gun. I never heard him talk again after being shot in the head, and left him partially paralyzed and his speech was slurred to the point of being incomprehensible.
It is possible he was just as much a fucking cunt as his bitch wife was.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:48 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
AFAIK He was just as guilty as she.

From what I remember, the whole brady bill bullshit was her idea. Jim for the most part was pro gun. I never heard him talk again after being shot in the head, and left him partially paralyzed and his speech was slurred to the point of being incomprehensible.
It is possible he was just as much a fucking cunt as his bitch wife was.
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Did he not actively take part in the campaign? Was he with it, or literally just being led around?
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:51 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:From what I remember, the whole brady bill bullshit was her idea. Jim for the most part was pro gun. I never heard him talk again after being shot in the head, and left him partially paralyzed and his speech was slurred to the point of being incomprehensible.
It is possible he was just as much a fucking cunt as his bitch wife was.
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Did he not actively take part in the campaign? Was he with it, or literally just being led around?


He actively took part, he may have had trouble speaking, but he wasn't a vegetable, if he had issues with the organization that bore his name he would have pressed those issues.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:52 pm

Telconi wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:]

Did he not actively take part in the campaign? Was he with it, or literally just being led around?


He actively took part, he may have had trouble speaking, but he wasn't a vegetable, if he had issues with the organization that bore his name he would have pressed those issues.

Ah, good. That's...literally the only good thing about that campaign, it wasn't abusive.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:54 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Telconi wrote:
He actively took part, he may have had trouble speaking, but he wasn't a vegetable, if he had issues with the organization that bore his name he would have pressed those issues.

Ah, good. That's...literally the only good thing about that campaign, it wasn't abusive.


I mean. We'll never know for sure, for all I know Sarah Brady hit him with a serving spoon if he said anything bad about the gun grabbing.

But for all appearances he was a willing participant.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:54 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:From what I remember, the whole brady bill bullshit was her idea. Jim for the most part was pro gun. I never heard him talk again after being shot in the head, and left him partially paralyzed and his speech was slurred to the point of being incomprehensible.
It is possible he was just as much a fucking cunt as his bitch wife was.


Did he not actively take part in the campaign? Was he with it, or literally just being led around?

Seeing as how he was practically a vegetable, imo, I don't see how he could had, but then again, we weren't part of the circle to confirm. The only word we can go on, was that of his wife, sarah.
For all we know she lied like a cheap rug and indicated jim was on board with stupid background check bullshit laws.
The impression I got from reading about the guy over the years painted a different picture for me, and then after that fateful day, seeing his wife roll him around like a meat puppet like a cheap prop left a very bad impression of the bitch, for me anyways.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Ah, good. That's...literally the only good thing about that campaign, it wasn't abusive.


I mean. We'll never know for sure, for all I know Sarah Brady hit him with a serving spoon if he said anything bad about the gun grabbing.

But for all appearances he was a willing participant.

Serving spoon or rolled up newspaper?
Out of all the times she would roll him out, the look on his face was that of someone who didn't want to be there.
For all we know, she probably abused the poor sod.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:59 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I mean. We'll never know for sure, for all I know Sarah Brady hit him with a serving spoon if he said anything bad about the gun grabbing.

But for all appearances he was a willing participant.

Serving spoon or rolled up newspaper?
Out of all the times she would roll him out, the look on his face was that of someone who didn't want to be there.
For all we know, she probably abused the poor sod.


Who knows.
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Postby Aclion » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:18 pm

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Crockerland wrote:But then how would authoritarian anti-gun fanatics protect the innocent home invaders, gang rapists, violet homophobes/racists, and murderers from their dastardly victims, if not by disarming the latter?

Interesting you brought that up. Buddy of mine was just saying he had an idea to stop pols from pushing anti gun bullshit. His idea was to start a campaign on social media , blasting pols pushing gun control, that gun control is racist and it harms illegal aliens, since that's the flavor of the month in regards to situation at the border and any attempt to hinder an illegal alien here in the US is verboten according to some people and pols.

If gun control's explicit purpose of disarming blacks isn't enough to make it racist I don't see how that will.
Also illegal entry is a felony, so no guns for illegals anyway.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:28 pm

Aclion wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Interesting you brought that up. Buddy of mine was just saying he had an idea to stop pols from pushing anti gun bullshit. His idea was to start a campaign on social media , blasting pols pushing gun control, that gun control is racist and it harms illegal aliens, since that's the flavor of the month in regards to situation at the border and any attempt to hinder an illegal alien here in the US is verboten according to some people and pols.

If gun control's explicit purpose of disarming blacks isn't enough to make it racist I don't see how that will.
Also illegal entry is a felony, so no guns for illegals anyway.


The idea was mostly a way to see if it could stir up a hornets nest. You are right in the fact that gun control and it's racist roots against blacks and other minority Americans seems to be lost on most anti gunners or those who embrace gun control. Of the few black coworkers I pal around with and the subject of gun control gets brought up (since I'm the resident gun nut), some look at me like I'm pulling their leg when I explain it. I must be wearing them down, a couple of my coworkers are starting to see the light and understand that the 2nd Amendment applies to them as well and that gun control is just as damaging to them.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:07 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Aclion wrote:If gun control's explicit purpose of disarming blacks isn't enough to make it racist I don't see how that will.
Also illegal entry is a felony, so no guns for illegals anyway.


The idea was mostly a way to see if it could stir up a hornets nest. You are right in the fact that gun control and it's racist roots against blacks and other minority Americans seems to be lost on most anti gunners or those who embrace gun control. Of the few black coworkers I pal around with and the subject of gun control gets brought up (since I'm the resident gun nut), some look at me like I'm pulling their leg when I explain it. I must be wearing them down, a couple of my coworkers are starting to see the light and understand that the 2nd Amendment applies to them as well and that gun control is just as damaging to them.


It's amazing what a little dose of facts now and again can achieve over time. :)

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:02 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
The idea was mostly a way to see if it could stir up a hornets nest. You are right in the fact that gun control and it's racist roots against blacks and other minority Americans seems to be lost on most anti gunners or those who embrace gun control. Of the few black coworkers I pal around with and the subject of gun control gets brought up (since I'm the resident gun nut), some look at me like I'm pulling their leg when I explain it. I must be wearing them down, a couple of my coworkers are starting to see the light and understand that the 2nd Amendment applies to them as well and that gun control is just as damaging to them.


It's amazing what a little dose of facts now and again can achieve over time. :)

Facts and logic are absolutely wonderful.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:09 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
It's amazing what a little dose of facts now and again can achieve over time. :)

Facts and logic are absolutely wonderful.


Indeed.

Sadly, as this forum is living proof of, people these days act like they are deathly allergic to facts and will argue till blue in the face against them, when when blatantly in the wrong.

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Postby Tobleste » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:48 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
It's amazing what a little dose of facts now and again can achieve over time. :)

Facts and logic are absolutely wonderful.


I don't know if that counts as a fact. Or at least not a relevant one.

Though describing it as "wearing them down" seems apt. This discussion can lead to despair.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:50 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Facts and logic are absolutely wonderful.


I don't know if that counts as a fact. Or at least not a relevant one.

Though describing it as "wearing them down" seems apt. This discussion can lead to despair.


You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:06 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Facts and logic are absolutely wonderful.


I don't know if that counts as a fact. Or at least not a relevant one.

Though describing it as "wearing them down" seems apt. This discussion can lead to despair.


Just because you don't want it to be, doesn't magically not make it a fact Tobleste.

I know, the truth hurts and all that.

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Bwahahaha, you cannot stop the signal.
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Reading through the article, seems the Aussie gun grabbers are in a tizzy. In my mind as I was reading it I imagined a red emergency light spinning and the sound of a klaxxon going off at anti gun head quarters.

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Postby The Chuck » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:44 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Bwahahaha, you cannot stop the signal.
Verney-Carron’s Speedline Rifle is a ‘Semi-Semi-Automatic’ and Australians are FREAKING OUT!
Verney-Carron calls the Speedline is a “semi-semi-automatic” rifle. When a round fires, the bolt locks back in the open position. The shooter can then release it with the flick of a thumb, chambering a new round and putting it back into battery, ready to fire another shot.

Reading through the article, seems the Aussie gun grabbers are in a tizzy. In my mind as I was reading it I imagined a red emergency light spinning and the sound of a klaxxon going off at anti gun head quarters.


Haha, let me forward this to a pal in Alice Springs. Guess he finally has a way of keeping the "Roos off my porch"
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:48 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Bwahahaha, you cannot stop the signal.
Verney-Carron’s Speedline Rifle is a ‘Semi-Semi-Automatic’ and Australians are FREAKING OUT!
Verney-Carron calls the Speedline is a “semi-semi-automatic” rifle. When a round fires, the bolt locks back in the open position. The shooter can then release it with the flick of a thumb, chambering a new round and putting it back into battery, ready to fire another shot.

Reading through the article, seems the Aussie gun grabbers are in a tizzy. In my mind as I was reading it I imagined a red emergency light spinning and the sound of a klaxxon going off at anti gun head quarters.


Ha... haha... bwahahahaha.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:51 pm

Looking at the rifle, I can see how a person could modify it on the cheap to press the thumb release and turn it back into a semi-auto.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:52 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Looking at the rifle, I can see how a person could modify it on the cheap to press the thumb release and turn it back into a semi-auto.


Shhh.... don't let the anti's onto it! :lol:

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:54 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Looking at the rifle, I can see how a person could modify it on the cheap to press the thumb release and turn it back into a semi-auto.


Shhh.... don't let the anti's onto it! :lol:

Oh, right, right, :lol:
Gotta tell the MacGuyver voice to keep it down.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:58 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Shhh.... don't let the anti's onto it! :lol:

Oh, right, right, :lol:
Gotta tell the MacGuyver voice to keep it down.


:D

Also.. would that rifle count as the fully semi-automatic that I keep hearing so much about from the left?

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:01 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Oh, right, right, :lol:
Gotta tell the MacGuyver voice to keep it down.


:D

Also.. would that rifle count as the fully semi-automatic that I keep hearing so much about from the left?

Nah, nah, since it accepts a magazine, it would be a baby killing soul sucking fully thumb activated semi-sem- automatic, planet destroyer death star.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:05 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
:D

Also.. would that rifle count as the fully semi-automatic that I keep hearing so much about from the left?

Nah, nah, since it accepts a magazine, it would be a baby killing soul sucking fully thumb activated semi-sem- automatic, planet destroyer death star.


With a shoulder thing that goes up, and a thirty caliber clip?

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