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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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Postby Aclion » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:13 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:Kiwis Just Say No to Gun Ban
Two months ago, Reuters breathlessly reported, “New Zealand police expect tens of thousands of firearms to be surrendered by a guns buy-back scheme.” Law enforcement authorities averred that “it could be more.” Pregnant with the expectation that gun owners would trade their firearms for cash, the political class is nonplussed by the results.

Only 530 guns have thus far been turned in to the authorities.


530 Too many if you ask me. But good on the citizens for refusing.

Good. Resist by any means necessary. Once you lose your right you'll never get them back.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:17 am

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Grinning Dragon wrote:Kiwis Just Say No to Gun Ban


530 Too many if you ask me. But good on the citizens for refusing.

Good. Resist by any means necessary. Once you lose your right you'll never get them back.

That's the truth. To quote Ben Franklin,"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:17 am

Seems half-witted shitbricks, conspiracy theorist- schiff and stolen valor-blumenthal are up to their antics again by introducing legislation to strip PLCAA protection language.
Schiff and Blumenthal Sponsor Bill to Destroy the Firearms Industry Through Vexatious Litigation
“Responsible actors in the gun industry don’t need this limitation on liability. And the irresponsible ones don’t deserve it,” California Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, one of the bill’s co-sponsors, said at a press conference Tuesday.

“All we’re doing through this proposal is giving victims of gun violence their day in court,” said Connecticut Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal, co-sponsor of the bill’s Senate version.


Yes, the firearm industry does need this protection. The sad fact is, there is NO SUCH THING as gun violence, gun deaths, etc., and giving the green light to frivolous lawsuits against an entity that had zero culpability is nothing more than kangaroo court antics.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:10 am

Not sure why Google thought I would be interested in this article.... But I figured it might be amusing to some.

The Second Amendment was apparently only a mechanism to protect slavery.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:20 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:Not sure why Google thought I would be interested in this article.... But I figured it might be amusing to some.

The Second Amendment was apparently only a mechanism to protect slavery.

It's been brought up before. It was written by a fucking dumass who has ZERO background on Constitutional history. The one and only half witted retard, Thom Hartmann.
His bullshit was called out by professor Paul Finkelman, Ph.D who leans heavily towards regulations and gun control, has degrees in Constitutional law/American law, etc.
2nd Amendment Passed to Protect Slavery? No!
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:31 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Not sure why Google thought I would be interested in this article.... But I figured it might be amusing to some.

The Second Amendment was apparently only a mechanism to protect slavery.

It's been brought up before. It was written by a fucking dumass who has ZERO background on Constitutional history. The one and only half witted retard, Thom Hartmann.
His bullshit was called out by professor Paul Finkelman, Ph.D who leans heavily towards regulations and gun control, has degrees in Constitutional law/American law, etc.
2nd Amendment Passed to Protect Slavery? No!

Even if it was true, what does that have to do with gun rights in the rest of the world? Iceland/Finland doesn't have loose gun laws because it wants to keep slaves does it?
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:00 pm

Aclion wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Kiwis Just Say No to Gun Ban


530 Too many if you ask me. But good on the citizens for refusing.

Good. Resist by any means necessary. Once you lose your right you'll never get them back.

I think gun buy backs are hilarious.
"Hey, come give/sell your firearm for sub market value!"
"Umm, no."
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:03 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Seems half-witted shitbricks, conspiracy theorist- schiff and stolen valor-blumenthal are up to their antics again by introducing legislation to strip PLCAA protection language.
Schiff and Blumenthal Sponsor Bill to Destroy the Firearms Industry Through Vexatious Litigation
“Responsible actors in the gun industry don’t need this limitation on liability. And the irresponsible ones don’t deserve it,” California Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, one of the bill’s co-sponsors, said at a press conference Tuesday.

“All we’re doing through this proposal is giving victims of gun violence their day in court,” said Connecticut Democratic Sen. Richard Blumenthal, co-sponsor of the bill’s Senate version.


Yes, the firearm industry does need this protection. The sad fact is, there is NO SUCH THING as gun violence, gun deaths, etc., and giving the green light to frivolous lawsuits against an entity that had zero culpability is nothing more than kangaroo court antics.

I still don't understand this logic. Firearm manufactures are somehow liable for illegal use of their products but...basically no other industry is? Where's the litigation against alcohol and car manufacturers for drunk driving deaths? Or against opiate producers for getting millions of people hooked when many of them never had pain bad enough to actually need opiates?

It's sheer nonsense.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:58 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Seems half-witted shitbricks, conspiracy theorist- schiff and stolen valor-blumenthal are up to their antics again by introducing legislation to strip PLCAA protection language.
Schiff and Blumenthal Sponsor Bill to Destroy the Firearms Industry Through Vexatious Litigation


Yes, the firearm industry does need this protection. The sad fact is, there is NO SUCH THING as gun violence, gun deaths, etc., and giving the green light to frivolous lawsuits against an entity that had zero culpability is nothing more than kangaroo court antics.

I still don't understand this logic. Firearm manufactures are somehow liable for illegal use of their products but...basically no other industry is? Where's the litigation against alcohol and car manufacturers for drunk driving deaths? Or against opiate producers for getting millions of people hooked when many of them never had pain bad enough to actually need opiates?

It's sheer nonsense.


Of course it's sheer nonsense. If it weren't for them being illogical, they wouldn't have any logic at all, let alone a sane, viable thought.
I think their ignorance stems from the fact, that firearms were invented to kill, therefore the blame needs to be placed squarely on said talisman and those who peddle said talismans.
It's a leap of logic that is so far out there, a retard would call them retarded in their mental gymnastics.

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Postby Telconi » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:45 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Seems half-witted shitbricks, conspiracy theorist- schiff and stolen valor-blumenthal are up to their antics again by introducing legislation to strip PLCAA protection language.
Schiff and Blumenthal Sponsor Bill to Destroy the Firearms Industry Through Vexatious Litigation


Yes, the firearm industry does need this protection. The sad fact is, there is NO SUCH THING as gun violence, gun deaths, etc., and giving the green light to frivolous lawsuits against an entity that had zero culpability is nothing more than kangaroo court antics.

I still don't understand this logic. Firearm manufactures are somehow liable for illegal use of their products but...basically no other industry is? Where's the litigation against alcohol and car manufacturers for drunk driving deaths? Or against opiate producers for getting millions of people hooked when many of them never had pain bad enough to actually need opiates?

It's sheer nonsense.


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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:36 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Well now....
Stag Arms says it will leave Connecticut
I guess I couldn't blame them for moving, since the govt of CT, decided to further slide deeper down the fascist, bigoted, authoritarian hole.


The gun laws aren't the only reason. CT's politicians are doing everything they can to drive out ALL business, not just firearms business.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:11 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Well now....
Stag Arms says it will leave Connecticut
I guess I couldn't blame them for moving, since the govt of CT, decided to further slide deeper down the fascist, bigoted, authoritarian hole.


The gun laws aren't the only reason. CT's politicians are doing everything they can to drive out ALL business, not just firearms business.

If CT pols, succeed in doing so, just what and where do those elected wankstains think the money will come from to keep the state running? The money fairy?
Just keeps driving the point home, that those who seek to run for office need to be required to have a background in finance, economics and constitutional law.

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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:36 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I still don't understand this logic. Firearm manufactures are somehow liable for illegal use of their products but...basically no other industry is? Where's the litigation against alcohol and car manufacturers for drunk driving deaths? Or against opiate producers for getting millions of people hooked when many of them never had pain bad enough to actually need opiates?

It's sheer nonsense.


Of course it's sheer nonsense. If it weren't for them being illogical, they wouldn't have any logic at all, let alone a sane, viable thought.
I think their ignorance stems from the fact, that firearms were invented to kill, therefore the blame needs to be placed squarely on said talisman and those who peddle said talismans.
It's a leap of logic that is so far out there, a retard would call them retarded in their mental gymnastics.

Yeah, that's about the size of it. Still, it's so beyond stupid that I legitimately don't understand how anyone can suggest it in good faith without suggesting the same standard be applied to alcohol and car companies.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:39 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Of course it's sheer nonsense. If it weren't for them being illogical, they wouldn't have any logic at all, let alone a sane, viable thought.
I think their ignorance stems from the fact, that firearms were invented to kill, therefore the blame needs to be placed squarely on said talisman and those who peddle said talismans.
It's a leap of logic that is so far out there, a retard would call them retarded in their mental gymnastics.

Yeah, that's about the size of it. Still, it's so beyond stupid that I legitimately don't understand how anyone can suggest it in good faith without suggesting the same standard be applied to alcohol and car companies.


Psst, hey, they're not suggesting it in good faith.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:45 pm

Telconi wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Yeah, that's about the size of it. Still, it's so beyond stupid that I legitimately don't understand how anyone can suggest it in good faith without suggesting the same standard be applied to alcohol and car companies.


Psst, hey, they're not suggesting it in good faith.

All par for the course since they are nothing but liars, con-men, grifters, etc., and their policies get innocent people killed. Remember folks, gun control kills.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:50 pm

Telconi wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Yeah, that's about the size of it. Still, it's so beyond stupid that I legitimately don't understand how anyone can suggest it in good faith without suggesting the same standard be applied to alcohol and car companies.


Psst, hey, they're not suggesting it in good faith.

Yeah, I've come to realize that. It really makes me doubt that their intentions really are "safety" or whatever, too, and not something more sinister.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:53 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Psst, hey, they're not suggesting it in good faith.

Yeah, I've come to realize that. It really makes me doubt that their intentions really are "safety" or whatever, too, and not something more sinister.

Just as the name implies, it's about control, plain and simple, and a deep seated hatred for an individual to provide for their own protection, safety is just the smoke screen they like to fly under.

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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:54 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Psst, hey, they're not suggesting it in good faith.

All par for the course since they are nothing but liars, con-men, grifters, etc., and their policies get innocent people killed. Remember folks, gun control kills.

And disproportionately effects minorities who need to be armed as much as, if not more than, anybody else.

The darkest part of gun control is that it robs the people who most have to worry about violent crime of their best defense to "protect" them from violent crime.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:02 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:All par for the course since they are nothing but liars, con-men, grifters, etc., and their policies get innocent people killed. Remember folks, gun control kills.

And disproportionately effects minorities who need to be armed as much as, if not more than, anybody else.

The darkest part of gun control is that it robs the people who most have to worry about violent crime of their best defense to "protect" them from violent crime.

I have started to notice that minorities are beginning to wake up to this fact. At a few of the ranges I attend, I have seen more and more minorities embrace their 2nd Amendment rights.

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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:04 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Scomagia wrote:And disproportionately effects minorities who need to be armed as much as, if not more than, anybody else.

The darkest part of gun control is that it robs the people who most have to worry about violent crime of their best defense to "protect" them from violent crime.

I have started to notice that minorities are beginning to wake up to this fact. At a few of the ranges I attend, I have seen more and more minorities embrace their 2nd Amendment rights.

Good.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:07 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I have started to notice that minorities are beginning to wake up to this fact. At a few of the ranges I attend, I have seen more and more minorities embrace their 2nd Amendment rights.

Good.

Yep, I see it as a good thing as well. More US citizens who realize the 2nd Amendment is for all and more Americans who will lend their voice to their reps to vote against further infringements.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:56 pm

Grinning Drag on wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
The gun laws aren't the only reason. CT's politicians are doing everything they can to drive out ALL business, not just firearms business.

If CT pols, succeed in doing so, just what and where do those elected wankstains think the money will come from to keep the state running? The money fairy?
Just keeps driving the point home, that those who seek to run for office need to be required to have a background in finance, economics and constitutional law.


If by "the money fairy", you mean the taxpayers in this state, then yes. There was a transportation "lockbox" voted in through referendum during one of the recent elections, so money that's supposed to go to transportation infrastructure (something desperately needed in CT) couldn't be used for other projects. The problem is, CT politicians are already diverting the money BEFORE it gets into the "lockbox". Now, they're going to try to push through tolls in a special session to make up for the "lost transportation revenue".
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:23 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Grinning Drag on wrote:If CT pols, succeed in doing so, just what and where do those elected wankstains think the money will come from to keep the state running? The money fairy?
Just keeps driving the point home, that those who seek to run for office need to be required to have a background in finance, economics and constitutional law.


If by "the money fairy", you mean the taxpayers in this state, then yes. There was a transportation "lockbox" voted in through referendum during one of the recent elections, so money that's supposed to go to transportation infrastructure (something desperately needed in CT) couldn't be used for other projects. The problem is, CT politicians are already diverting the money BEFORE it gets into the "lockbox". Now, they're going to try to push through tolls in a special session to make up for the "lost transportation revenue".

IDK how well it would work but here's what we could do take the anti gun states in the North East and sell them either to Canada or back to England then we can do the same in the Great Lakes area but this time to the French then the states that are left east the Mississippi River we could reform the CSA minus the bad stuff then takeover California, Wash St, & Oregon and turn them red and use the money from the sales to fund all new tanks, planes, and artillery guns. Also the underlined could be a sequel to planes, trains & automobiles.
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Postby Kernen » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:49 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
If by "the money fairy", you mean the taxpayers in this state, then yes. There was a transportation "lockbox" voted in through referendum during one of the recent elections, so money that's supposed to go to transportation infrastructure (something desperately needed in CT) couldn't be used for other projects. The problem is, CT politicians are already diverting the money BEFORE it gets into the "lockbox". Now, they're going to try to push through tolls in a special session to make up for the "lost transportation revenue".

IDK how well it would work but here's what we could do take the anti gun states in the North East and sell them either to Canada or back to England then we can do the same in the Great Lakes area but this time to the French then the states that are left east the Mississippi River we could reform the CSA minus the bad stuff then takeover California, Wash St, & Oregon and turn them red and use the money from the sales to fund all new tanks, planes, and artillery guns. Also the underlined could be a sequel to planes, trains & automobiles.


New Hampshire would be sad.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:11 am

Kernen wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:IDK how well it would work but here's what we could do take the anti gun states in the North East and sell them either to Canada or back to England then we can do the same in the Great Lakes area but this time to the French then the states that are left east the Mississippi River we could reform the CSA minus the bad stuff then takeover California, Wash St, & Oregon and turn them red and use the money from the sales to fund all new tanks, planes, and artillery guns. Also the underlined could be a sequel to planes, trains & automobiles.


New Hampshire would be sad.

So would we, do you think we want to have to listen to like...the Maine accent and say it's 'British?' We have to deal with Birmingham ffs, don't force that on us as well.
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