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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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50%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
210
16%
I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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33%
 
Total votes : 1277

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon May 13, 2019 4:55 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:The only gun control that should exist is controlling your gun when aiming at your target.

Other than that, legislative gun control makes the founding father cry and hurts the republic.


As such, we ought to legally be allowed to own suppressors. I shouldn't have earplugs in to protect my hearing which also makes it harder to hear other sounds. Suppressors are great for shooting without the need for hearing protection (depending on caliber and ammo) and so it is safer in my book due to being able to hear other people and what is going on around you.

For the life of me, I have never, ever understood why suppressors were added to the stupid nfa. Pretty much every country where firearms are restricted heavily, suppressors are easily bought and sold like one would buy a beer. Bad American politicians, bad for making a safety device a restricted part.

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Postby Tillydrone » Mon May 13, 2019 5:01 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
As such, we ought to legally be allowed to own suppressors. I shouldn't have earplugs in to protect my hearing which also makes it harder to hear other sounds. Suppressors are great for shooting without the need for hearing protection (depending on caliber and ammo) and so it is safer in my book due to being able to hear other people and what is going on around you.

For the life of me, I have never, ever understood why suppressors were added to the stupid nfa. Pretty much every country where firearms are restricted heavily, suppressors are easily bought and sold like one would buy a beer. Bad American politicians, bad for making a safety device a restricted part.

tbh, what are you gonna do with a suppressor if the guns that use them are pretty much banned? Shove it up your assigned trashcan?
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Mon May 13, 2019 5:04 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:The only gun control that should exist is controlling your gun when aiming at your target.

Other than that, legislative gun control makes the founding father cry and hurts the republic.


As such, we ought to legally be allowed to own suppressors. I shouldn't have earplugs in to protect my hearing which also makes it harder to hear other sounds. Suppressors are great for shooting without the need for hearing protection (depending on caliber and ammo) and so it is safer in my book due to being able to hear other people and what is going on around you.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon May 13, 2019 5:05 pm

Tillydrone wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:For the life of me, I have never, ever understood why suppressors were added to the stupid nfa. Pretty much every country where firearms are restricted heavily, suppressors are easily bought and sold like one would buy a beer. Bad American politicians, bad for making a safety device a restricted part.

tbh, what are you gonna do with a suppressor if the guns that use them are pretty much banned? Shove it up your assigned trashcan?


I'm not following here, pistols can use a suppressor, same with a multitude of rifles, as well as shotguns.
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Postby Licana » Mon May 13, 2019 5:12 pm

Tillydrone wrote:tbh, what are you gonna do with a suppressor if the guns that use them are pretty much banned? Shove it up your assigned trashcan?

lol what are you on about? A vast amount of civilian firearms have either factory or aftermarket threaded barrel options, they just require a fair amount of paperwork and tax stamps to acquire.
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Postby The Chuck » Mon May 13, 2019 5:15 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
As such, we ought to legally be allowed to own suppressors. I shouldn't have earplugs in to protect my hearing which also makes it harder to hear other sounds. Suppressors are great for shooting without the need for hearing protection (depending on caliber and ammo) and so it is safer in my book due to being able to hear other people and what is going on around you.

For the life of me, I have never, ever understood why suppressors were added to the stupid nfa. Pretty much every country where firearms are restricted heavily, suppressors are easily bought and sold like one would buy a beer. Bad American politicians, bad for making a safety device a restricted part.


Hollywood brother. Those idiots portray suppressors as "silencers" but in reality it assists in the safe usage of a firearm. Idiots -.-
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon May 13, 2019 5:16 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Tillydrone wrote:tbh, what are you gonna do with a suppressor if the guns that use them are pretty much banned? Shove it up your assigned trashcan?


I'm not following here, pistols can use a suppressor, same with a multitude of rifles, as well as shotguns.
Lowering the decibels to that just below the decibel level of a jackhammer is a good thing, not only for the user but for those around you.
Licana wrote:
Tillydrone wrote:tbh, what are you gonna do with a suppressor if the guns that use them are pretty much banned? Shove it up your assigned trashcan?

lol what are you on about? A vast amount of civilian firearms have either factory or aftermarket threaded barrel options, they just require a fair amount of paperwork and tax stamps to acquire.

My apologies, I was thinking of Korean/Japanese levels of gun control.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon May 13, 2019 5:17 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:For the life of me, I have never, ever understood why suppressors were added to the stupid nfa. Pretty much every country where firearms are restricted heavily, suppressors are easily bought and sold like one would buy a beer. Bad American politicians, bad for making a safety device a restricted part.


Hollywood brother. Those idiots portray suppressors as "silencers" but in reality it assists in the safe usage of a firearm. Idiots -.-

Well that was because back then silent films were all the rage. :lol:
In all honesty, one would have to a moron to think that a suppressor would cut the shot noise down to a "pew" sound.

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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 5:18 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Gun control shouldn’t exist.

The only gun control that should exist is controlling your gun when aiming at your target.
Other than that, legislative gun control makes the founding fathers cry and hurts the republic.

Popular election of Senators also makes the Founding Fathers cry, as does abolition of slavery for some of them, and don’t get me started on Women’s Rights.
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Postby The Chuck » Mon May 13, 2019 5:19 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Hollywood brother. Those idiots portray suppressors as "silencers" but in reality it assists in the safe usage of a firearm. Idiots -.-

Well that was because back then silent films were all the rage. :lol:
In all honesty, one would have to a moron to think that a suppressor would cut the shot noise down to a "pew" sound.


I wish that was true but many of my uninformed mates thought that that was what a suppressor did... thank God I was able to get another buddy with his [Redacted for civility sake] 200 dollar tax stamp was able to show them that... *pew* isn't the actual sound lol.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Mon May 13, 2019 5:32 pm

Kowani wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:The only gun control that should exist is controlling your gun when aiming at your target.
Other than that, legislative gun control makes the founding fathers cry and hurts the republic.

Popular election of Senators also makes the Founding Fathers cry, as does abolition of slavery for some of them, and don’t get me started on Women’s Rights.

It makes them Have a stroke every time a unpatriotic liberal traitor lies about the,.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon May 13, 2019 5:36 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Well that was because back then silent films were all the rage. :lol:
In all honesty, one would have to a moron to think that a suppressor would cut the shot noise down to a "pew" sound.


I wish that was true but many of my uninformed mates thought that that was what a suppressor did... thank God I was able to get another buddy with his [Redacted for civility sake] 200 dollar tax stamp was able to show them that... *pew* isn't the actual sound lol.


Hmm, I guess for me when I was much younger in seeing the size of the can and knowing how loud various calibers sound that it would be physically impossible to lower the decibels to that all to familiar Hollywood sound of a suppressed firearm.
Then again, I was the sort of kid that watched horror films and ended up laughing at them in how stupidly fake and far fetched they were.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 5:37 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:Popular election of Senators also makes the Founding Fathers cry, as does abolition of slavery for some of them, and don’t get me started on Women’s Rights.

It makes them Have a stroke every time a unpatriotic liberal traitor lies about the,.

Yes, keep the ad hominem statements going, rather than actually addressing the points.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Mon May 13, 2019 5:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:It makes them Have a stroke every time a unpatriotic liberal traitor lies about the,.

Yes, keep the ad hominem statements going, rather than actually addressing the points.

Yes, keep the whataboutism and strawmen going, rather than telling the truth.
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Postby The Chuck » Mon May 13, 2019 5:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:It makes them Have a stroke every time a unpatriotic liberal traitor lies about the,.

Yes, keep the ad hominem statements going, rather than actually addressing the points.


Fellows, can we drop the ad hominems and drag this discussion back to the subject topic of Gun Control/related material? I'm failing to make a connection between this side discussion and the overarching topic.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 5:40 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes, keep the ad hominem statements going, rather than actually addressing the points.

Yes, keep the whataboutism and strawmen going, rather than telling the truth.

Please, go on to explain how what I said was wrong.


The Chuck wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes, keep the ad hominem statements going, rather than actually addressing the points.


Fellows, can we drop the ad hominems and drag this discussion back to the subject topic of Gun Control/related material? I'm failing to make a connection between this side discussion and the overarching topic.

My point is something along the lines of “Gun Rights are not inherently good just because the Founding Fathers believes in them.”
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon May 13, 2019 5:42 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
I wish that was true but many of my uninformed mates thought that that was what a suppressor did... thank God I was able to get another buddy with his [Redacted for civility sake] 200 dollar tax stamp was able to show them that... *pew* isn't the actual sound lol.


Hmm, I guess for me when I was much younger in seeing the size of the can and knowing how loud various calibers sound that it would be physically impossible to lower the decibels to that all to familiar Hollywood sound of a suppressed firearm.


To be fair...

IF you use a proper can, and use sub sonic hand loads... you can indeed get near whisper quiet levels of noise reduction.

However, the effectiveness of said round is going to take a massive hit, which I think is why nobody actually does it as it's just not practical.

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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Mon May 13, 2019 5:42 pm

Kowani wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Yes, keep the whataboutism and strawmen going, rather than telling the truth.

Please, go on to explain how what I said was wrong.


The Chuck wrote:
Fellows, can we drop the ad hominems and drag this discussion back to the subject topic of Gun Control/related material? I'm failing to make a connection between this side discussion and the overarching topic.

My point is something along the lines of “Gun Rights are not inherently good just because the Founding Fathers believes in them.”

Gun rights are good because freedom cannot exist without them.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 5:44 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:Please, go on to explain how what I said was wrong.



My point is something along the lines of “Gun Rights are not inherently good just because the Founding Fathers believes in them.”

Gun rights are good because freedom cannot exist without them.

I shall inform Western Europe and Canada that they are not free.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Mon May 13, 2019 5:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Gun rights are good because freedom cannot exist without them.

I shall inform Western Europe and Canada that they are not free.

Western Europe and Canada need some guns. Hell, we should make a fundraiser for them so they can have guns. I feel bad for them. Bad police force, no self defense!
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Mon May 13, 2019 5:45 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
As such, we ought to legally be allowed to own suppressors. I shouldn't have earplugs in to protect my hearing which also makes it harder to hear other sounds. Suppressors are great for shooting without the need for hearing protection (depending on caliber and ammo) and so it is safer in my book due to being able to hear other people and what is going on around you.

For the life of me, I have never, ever understood why suppressors were added to the stupid nfa. Pretty much every country where firearms are restricted heavily, suppressors are easily bought and sold like one would buy a beer. Bad American politicians, bad for making a safety device a restricted part.

Easiest way would probably get a big gun, take it to the range, and fire it once every fifteen minutes to set off the Senator's car-alarm.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon May 13, 2019 5:47 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Hmm, I guess for me when I was much younger in seeing the size of the can and knowing how loud various calibers sound that it would be physically impossible to lower the decibels to that all to familiar Hollywood sound of a suppressed firearm.


To be fair...

IF you use a proper can, and use sub sonic hand loads... you can indeed get near whisper quiet levels of noise reduction.

However, the effectiveness of said round is going to take a massive hit, which I think is why nobody actually does it as it's just not practical.

Enjoy


Amazing! And yet you just now destroyed my childhood knowledge of things, you monster! :lol:
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 5:48 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Kowani wrote:I shall inform Western Europe and Canada that they are not free.

Western Europe and Canada need some guns. Hell, we should make a fundraiser for them so they can have guns. I feel bad for them. Bad police force, no self defense!

…Of course, these countries tend to have less crime and unrest than the US, and their police forces ted to not shoot innocent civilians, but okay.
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Postby The Chuck » Mon May 13, 2019 5:49 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Fellows, can we drop the ad hominems and drag this discussion back to the subject topic of Gun Control/related material? I'm failing to make a connection between this side discussion and the overarching topic.

My point is something along the lines of “Gun Rights are not inherently good just because the Founding Fathers believes in them.”


Ah, gotcha! Thanks for clearing that part up Kowani. :)
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 5:49 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Kowani wrote:Fellows, can we drop the ad hominems and drag this discussion back to the subject topic of Gun Control/related material? I'm failing to make a connection between this side discussion and the overarching topic.

My point is something along the lines of “Gun Rights are not inherently good just because the Founding Fathers believes in them.”


Ah, gotcha! Thanks for clearing that part up Kowani. :)[/quote]
No problem, mate.
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