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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
556
51%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
172
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
366
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Total votes : 1094

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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:16 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:I'm sure most of you have heard of the un att. Well it seems that the un itself is to blame for hundreds of thousands of arms fueling the black market and yet have the unmitigated gall to blame the United States for arms falling to the black market, when very few seem to end up there.
Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/10/united ... ack-market
Behind all the pompous critiques, was the knowledge that they could not control their weapons, let alone ours. UN peacekeepers themselves are/were fueling the local Black Markets with firearms diverted from UN stockpiles. This is an important point that is rarely brought to light.


Such a good thing the United States isn't part of this att nightmare.


People seem to forget that UN Peacekeepers aren't all trained to some base standard, or all indoctrinated with western moral values. They're just regular troops from the countries that make up the UN, often serving near their country of origin. I don't know why people are surprised that troops from Cameroon and stationed in the CAR aren't being held to the same standards as say, the US Military, or the Brits or the French.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:23 am

Len Hyet wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I'm sure most of you have heard of the un att. Well it seems that the un itself is to blame for hundreds of thousands of arms fueling the black market and yet have the unmitigated gall to blame the United States for arms falling to the black market, when very few seem to end up there.
Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/10/united ... ack-market


Such a good thing the United States isn't part of this att nightmare.


People seem to forget that UN Peacekeepers aren't all trained to some base standard, or all indoctrinated with western moral values. They're just regular troops from the countries that make up the UN, often serving near their country of origin. I don't know why people are surprised that troops from Cameroon and stationed in the CAR aren't being held to the same standards as say, the US Military, or the Brits or the French.
well one reason is
Probably because a majority of people want America to fix their problems either by throwing money at in an economic sense or by sending our troops into the meat grinder situations these nations get into. I say we dramatically change the structure of the UN or form a better UN replacement.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:13 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:
People seem to forget that UN Peacekeepers aren't all trained to some base standard, or all indoctrinated with western moral values. They're just regular troops from the countries that make up the UN, often serving near their country of origin. I don't know why people are surprised that troops from Cameroon and stationed in the CAR aren't being held to the same standards as say, the US Military, or the Brits or the French.
well one reason is
Probably because a majority of people want America to fix their problems either by throwing money at in an economic sense or by sending our troops into the meat grinder situations these nations get into. I say we dramatically change the structure of the UN or form a better UN replacement.


With the U.S. at the top.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:37 am

Len Hyet wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I'm sure most of you have heard of the un att. Well it seems that the un itself is to blame for hundreds of thousands of arms fueling the black market and yet have the unmitigated gall to blame the United States for arms falling to the black market, when very few seem to end up there.
Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/10/united ... ack-market


Such a good thing the United States isn't part of this att nightmare.


People seem to forget that UN Peacekeepers aren't all trained to some base standard, or all indoctrinated with western moral values. They're just regular troops from the countries that make up the UN, often serving near their country of origin. I don't know why people are surprised that troops from Cameroon and stationed in the CAR aren't being held to the same standards as say, the US Military, or the Brits or the French.


It is hypocritical of a un body to draft detritus such as the att while they point fingers at the countries like the United States for our right to keep and bear arms and try to some how point out that it is a stain somehow and one reason for arms being available on the black market, when they themselves do not have their own house in order.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:51 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:
People seem to forget that UN Peacekeepers aren't all trained to some base standard, or all indoctrinated with western moral values. They're just regular troops from the countries that make up the UN, often serving near their country of origin. I don't know why people are surprised that troops from Cameroon and stationed in the CAR aren't being held to the same standards as say, the US Military, or the Brits or the French.


It is hypocritical of a un body to draft detritus such as the att while they point fingers at the countries like the United States for our right to keep and bear arms and try to some how point out that it is a stain somehow and one reason for arms being available on the black market, when they themselves do not have their own house in order.

Now, to be fair to the UN, their house is the entire world.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:28 am

Kowani wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
It is hypocritical of a un body to draft detritus such as the att while they point fingers at the countries like the United States for our right to keep and bear arms and try to some how point out that it is a stain somehow and one reason for arms being available on the black market, when they themselves do not have their own house in order.

Now, to be fair to the UN, their house is the entire world.

Eh, not really as the un really doesn't have any sort of authority.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:45 am

How about some light humor and levity to lighten the mood around here.
Emma Gonzalez on Gun Control Misconceptions: 'We Are Pro Second Amendment'
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I prefer Dangerous Freedom over peaceful slavery! Sic Semper Tyrannis!
Gun-Control is the belief that declawing the cat will protect it against other animals; also why are anti-gun people so violent?
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery!
Socialism- the herpes of economic systems.
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The made up term "toxic masculinity" is founded on nonsense psychologism

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:03 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:How about some light humor and levity to lighten the mood around here.
Emma Gonzalez on Gun Control Misconceptions: 'We Are Pro Second Amendment'
(Image)

No that meme is not strong enough this one is and it's from my good old friend. https://youtu.be/YIlL0T2yTss
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
“If we don’t know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can’t anticipate our future actions!”

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:04 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:How about some light humor and levity to lighten the mood around here.
Emma Gonzalez on Gun Control Misconceptions: 'We Are Pro Second Amendment'
(Image)

No that meme is not strong enough this one is and it's from my good old friend. https://youtu.be/YIlL0T2yTss

I have a better meme:

Gun Control
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:06 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:No that meme is not strong enough this one is and it's from my good old friend. https://youtu.be/YIlL0T2yTss

I have a better meme:

Gun Control


Oooh how long did it take you to come up with that comeback.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:07 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:I have a better meme:

Gun Control


Oooh how long did it take you to come up with that comeback.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:31 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:How about some light humor and levity to lighten the mood around here.
Emma Gonzalez on Gun Control Misconceptions: 'We Are Pro Second Amendment'
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No that meme is not strong enough this one is and it's from my good old friend. https://youtu.be/YIlL0T2yTss

:rofl: Classic Bender™
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:34 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:How about some light humor and levity to lighten the mood around here.
Emma Gonzalez on Gun Control Misconceptions: 'We Are Pro Second Amendment'
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Damn those comments are savage

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Postby Loben » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:57 pm

A well armed citizenry is a happy citizenry

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:36 pm

Loben wrote:A well armed citizenry is a happy citizenry


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Hap ... 018_report

Looking at the top 5 it seems more like high levels of drinking and lots of snow make a happy citizenry...

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:41 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Loben wrote:A well armed citizenry is a happy citizenry


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Hap ... 018_report

Looking at the top 5 it seems more like high levels of drinking and lots of snow make a happy citizenry...

>Finland
>Switzerland
>Top 5
HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:53 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Hap ... 018_report

Looking at the top 5 it seems more like high levels of drinking and lots of snow make a happy citizenry...

>Finland
>Switzerland
>Top 5
HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Why no Russia? They have snow and lots of alcohol as well as a massive black market economy in guns.
“One of the serious problems of planning against Aggie doctrine is that the Aggies do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligations to follow their doctrine.”
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:56 pm

Could this possibly head to the Supreme Court?
Continuing Fight to Protect Second Amendment Rights, Attorney General Jeff Landry Leads 17-State Coalition Against Overreaching Gun Restriction
The terms of New York City’s pricey permit prohibit removing any firearm from the home with two exceptions, practicing at a range in the city or hunting in the state - and hunting requires authorization from the city’s police department. To remove a firearm from the home for any other purpose requires a separate, yet similarly expensive “carry” permit that is very difficult to obtain.

In their legal brief, General Landry and his counterparts argue that New York City did not show sufficient cause to burden citizens’ gun rights in their pursuit of crime prevention and public safety, both of which are frustrated by restricting licensed and trained gun owners from carrying outside their homes. This restriction has the practical implication of leaving thousands of firearms in unoccupied homes, where they are of no use to their lawful owners when faced with dangerous situations.

“The need for self-defense is not limited to the home and the right to possess a firearm should not be either,” said General Landry. “From self-defense to hunting, the lawful exercise of our Second Amendment rights should be fully supported.”

New York City’s regulation not only offends the Second Amendment and other constitutional protections, but it also poses a serious economic burden. “New York’s regulatory scheme discriminates against interstate commerce because it ‘deprives out-of-state businesses of access to a local market’ by forbidding its citizens from hunting and patronizing ranges outside the State with their own guns,” wrote General Landry and the others.

The 16 states joining Louisiana in the brief are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wisconsin through their Attorney Generals and Mississippi and Kentucky through their Governors. The case is New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. et al. v. City of New York et al.


WOW ny city is a authoritarian shithole.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:10 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Could this possibly head to the Supreme Court?
Continuing Fight to Protect Second Amendment Rights, Attorney General Jeff Landry Leads 17-State Coalition Against Overreaching Gun Restriction
The terms of New York City’s pricey permit prohibit removing any firearm from the home with two exceptions, practicing at a range in the city or hunting in the state - and hunting requires authorization from the city’s police department. To remove a firearm from the home for any other purpose requires a separate, yet similarly expensive “carry” permit that is very difficult to obtain.

In their legal brief, General Landry and his counterparts argue that New York City did not show sufficient cause to burden citizens’ gun rights in their pursuit of crime prevention and public safety, both of which are frustrated by restricting licensed and trained gun owners from carrying outside their homes. This restriction has the practical implication of leaving thousands of firearms in unoccupied homes, where they are of no use to their lawful owners when faced with dangerous situations.

“The need for self-defense is not limited to the home and the right to possess a firearm should not be either,” said General Landry. “From self-defense to hunting, the lawful exercise of our Second Amendment rights should be fully supported.”

New York City’s regulation not only offends the Second Amendment and other constitutional protections, but it also poses a serious economic burden. “New York’s regulatory scheme discriminates against interstate commerce because it ‘deprives out-of-state businesses of access to a local market’ by forbidding its citizens from hunting and patronizing ranges outside the State with their own guns,” wrote General Landry and the others.

The 16 states joining Louisiana in the brief are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wisconsin through their Attorney Generals and Mississippi and Kentucky through their Governors. The case is New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. et al. v. City of New York et al.


WOW ny city is a authoritarian shithole.


The last I checked, NYC is only the 63rd worst city in the US for homicides. What was it like back in the 80's?

Not saying it's all down to gun control but it seems to have at least helped.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:16 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Could this possibly head to the Supreme Court?
Continuing Fight to Protect Second Amendment Rights, Attorney General Jeff Landry Leads 17-State Coalition Against Overreaching Gun Restriction


WOW ny city is a authoritarian shithole.


The last I checked, NYC is only the 63rd worst city in the US for homicides. What was it like back in the 80's?

Not saying it's all down to gun control but it seems to have at least helped.


Doesn't make them not an authoritarian shithole.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:19 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:>Finland
>Switzerland
>Top 5
HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Why no Russia? They have snow and lots of alcohol as well as a massive black market economy in guns.

You wanna live under Putin?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:20 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
The last I checked, NYC is only the 63rd worst city in the US for homicides. What was it like back in the 80's?

Not saying it's all down to gun control but it seems to have at least helped.


Doesn't make them not an authoritarian shithole.

North Korea has low homicide rates IIRC at a rate of around 3000
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:22 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Doesn't make them not an authoritarian shithole.

North Korea has low homicide rates IIRC at a rate of around 3000


What is that per capita?

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Postby Arengin Union » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:23 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Doesn't make them not an authoritarian shithole.

North Korea has low homicide rates IIRC at a rate of around 3000

Doesn't make them not an authoritarian shithole
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:41 pm

NYC is not an authoritarian shithole because they have laws you disagree with and restrict a right you feel is completely inalienable.

Its exaggeration at best and another shitty attempt to demonize the other at worst.
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