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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:51 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:What is NSG's opinion on the availability of air rifles such as the Air Force Texan SS?

Don't get me wrong, I love this thing. But should there be a registration requirement to possess it due to the high FPS and the addition of a silencer, on an air rifle? Like, in Canada you need to register the non-silenced version of this, and it's illegal to possess the silenced version. I personally call BS on the strict laws, but it's Canada.

NRA made sure air-rifles are not considered firearms. You can actually even get fully automatic air-rifles in the power-band advertised.

Hunting regs are a bit different, since those even consider crossbows as firearms.

Least that's the case in America.
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:50 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Exactly. Thus the need to defend ones self and property. Duh.

Or kill someone you think looks scary on the street because you read about thefts on the paper.


Unjustified assumption about gun owners is unjustified. :roll:
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:51 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:What is NSG's opinion on the availability of air rifles such as the Air Force Texan SS?

Don't get me wrong, I love this thing. But should there be a registration requirement to possess it due to the high FPS and the addition of a silencer, on an air rifle? Like, in Canada you need to register the non-silenced version of this, and it's illegal to possess the silenced version. I personally call BS on the strict laws, but it's Canada.

NRA made sure air-rifles are not considered firearms. You can actually even get fully automatic air-rifles in the power-band advertised.

Hunting regs are a bit different, since those even consider crossbows as firearms.

Least that's the case in America.
Because:

This is America.


Air rifles aren't firearms. Duh.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:36 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:NRA made sure air-rifles are not considered firearms. You can actually even get fully automatic air-rifles in the power-band advertised.

Hunting regs are a bit different, since those even consider crossbows as firearms.

Least that's the case in America.
Because:

This is America.


Air rifles aren't firearms. Duh.

They use air, not the highly incendiary gunpowder

So yes, they aren't firearms

(or at least that's my understanding of them, pls no bully)
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:38 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Air rifles aren't firearms. Duh.

They use air, not the highly incendiary gunpowder

So yes, they aren't firearms

(or at least that's my understanding of them, pls no bully)

Nah man, everything is an NRA-KKK-KGB conspiracy.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:41 am

Sovaal wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:They use air, not the highly incendiary gunpowder

So yes, they aren't firearms

(or at least that's my understanding of them, pls no bully)

Nah man, everything is an NRA-KKK-KGB conspiracy.

Don't forget the Jewish globalist reptilians
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:43 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Nah man, everything is an NRA-KKK-KGB conspiracy.

Don't forget the Jewish globalist reptilians

And the sex cults.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:43 am

Sovaal wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Don't forget the Jewish globalist reptilians

And the sex cults.

But those are the best cults :(
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:46 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:And the sex cults.

But those are the best cults :(

Yah but you guys haven't invited me.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:47 am

Sovaal wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:But those are the best cults :(

Yah but you guys haven't invited me.

They haven't invited me either, I just...

"Investigate" :D
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:49 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Or kill someone you think looks scary on the street because you read about thefts on the paper.


Unjustified assumption about gun owners is unjustified. :roll:


But how else will you justify oppressing them if you dont make unjustified negative stereotypes about them. It is literally item one on the bigot plan of action.
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Unjustified assumption about gun owners is unjustified. :roll:


But how else will you justify oppressing them if you dont make unjustified negative stereotypes about them. It is literally item one on the bigot plan of action.

The full plan is something like the following:
-demonize all gun owners as crazy racist rednecks who will shoot you as soon as look at you
-give nearly endless national coverage to any mass shooting, so as to convince the general populace that they happen everywhere and all the time, even though they are statistically quite rare(still tragic but not the raging epidemic some people think they are)
-blame the NRA and other Second Amendment supporting organizations for making these tragedies happen due to their efforts to lobby against gun control efforts, while being careful to omit that the efforts of the NRA are basically a drop in the bucket
-denounce anyone who doesn't want increasingly stringent gun control laws as being someone who wants dead children

Repeat the above ad nauseum until you have the sort of gun laws that exist in New York and California, then insist that it still isn't enough and demand even more controls, restrictions, and bans.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:18 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But how else will you justify oppressing them if you dont make unjustified negative stereotypes about them. It is literally item one on the bigot plan of action.

The full plan is something like the following:
-demonize all gun owners as crazy racist rednecks who will shoot you as soon as look at you
-give nearly endless national coverage to any mass shooting, so as to convince the general populace that they happen everywhere and all the time, even though they are statistically quite rare(still tragic but not the raging epidemic some people think they are)
-blame the NRA and other Second Amendment supporting organizations for making these tragedies happen due to their efforts to lobby against gun control efforts, while being careful to omit that the efforts of the NRA are basically a drop in the bucket
-denounce anyone who doesn't want increasingly stringent gun control laws as being someone who wants dead children

Repeat the above ad nauseum until you have the sort of gun laws that exist in New York and California, then insist that it still isn't enough and demand even more controls, restrictions, and bans.


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Postby Kernen » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:21 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Exactly. Thus the need to defend ones self and property. Duh.

Or kill someone you think looks scary on the street because you read about thefts on the paper.

That would be relevant if it happened. But it doesn't. Certainly not enough to be statistically significant.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:16 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But how else will you justify oppressing them if you dont make unjustified negative stereotypes about them. It is literally item one on the bigot plan of action.

The full plan is something like the following:
-demonize all gun owners as crazy racist rednecks who will shoot you as soon as look at you
-give nearly endless national coverage to any mass shooting, so as to convince the general populace that they happen everywhere and all the time, even though they are statistically quite rare(still tragic but not the raging epidemic some people think they are)
-blame the NRA and other Second Amendment supporting organizations for making these tragedies happen due to their efforts to lobby against gun control efforts, while being careful to omit that the efforts of the NRA are basically a drop in the bucket
-denounce anyone who doesn't want increasingly stringent gun control laws as being someone who wants dead children

Repeat the above ad nauseum until you have the sort of gun laws that exist in New York and California, then insist that it still isn't enough and demand even more controls, restrictions, and bans.

That's already happening. *ahem* mass media.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:08 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But how else will you justify oppressing them if you dont make unjustified negative stereotypes about them. It is literally item one on the bigot plan of action.

The full plan is something like the following:
-demonize all gun owners as crazy racist rednecks who will shoot you as soon as look at you
-give nearly endless national coverage to any mass shooting, so as to convince the general populace that they happen everywhere and all the time, even though they are statistically quite rare(still tragic but not the raging epidemic some people think they are)
-blame the NRA and other Second Amendment supporting organizations for making these tragedies happen due to their efforts to lobby against gun control efforts, while being careful to omit that the efforts of the NRA are basically a drop in the bucket
-denounce anyone who doesn't want increasingly stringent gun control laws as being someone who wants dead children

Repeat the above ad nauseum until you have the sort of gun laws that exist in New York and California, then insist that it still isn't enough and demand even more controls, restrictions, and bans.


You're forgetting about CT. After Sandy Hook, the CT General Assembly rammed through a ridiculous set of gun control laws via emergency certification (circumventing the safeguards of the normal legislative process). Also, our governor, Dannel Malloy, has called the NRA a terrorist organization.

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Postby Arengin Union » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:23 pm

This is why we must be armed and ready. It is the citizens responsibility to defend the rights of the people. The government/citizen relationship is a social contract, the people have certain fundamental inalienable rights and also certain responsibilities like following the basic and constitutional laws of the land and paying taxes for the common good, the government has the recognized legitimacy to impose laws and have money of the people to use it for common good, all while still answering to the rights of the people.

Once this social contract is breached by means of unconstitutional laws like gun bans, confiscations, and anything else being implemented then the contract is no longer binding and the government losses legitimacy and hence its the citizens right to assemble in a militia to protect t and the peoples rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness by means of stopping said oppressive laws from taking place and disarming the main enforcers of the illegitimate government that may still be loyal to it. Once this has been done, hopefully peacefully, the militias march to the main houses of government and arrest those representatives that supported the laws being put and tried them accordingly. While this happens, elections will be held freely and fairly and once the social contract is respected again, then the militias can de assemble and go back home.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:24 pm

I wonder how a Justice Kavanaugh on the USSC will benefit gun rights. Looking forward to finding out.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:28 pm

Arlenton wrote:I wonder how a Justice Kavanaugh on the USSC will benefit gun rights. Looking forward to finding out.


He'll strike down assault weapons bans at least.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I wonder how a Justice Kavanaugh on the USSC will benefit gun rights. Looking forward to finding out.


He'll strike down assault weapons bans at least.


Well nationally the AWB is done with.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:30 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I wonder how a Justice Kavanaugh on the USSC will benefit gun rights. Looking forward to finding out.


He'll strike down assault weapons bans at least.


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Postby Northeast American Federation » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:33 pm

Ideally, with a Supreme Court more aligned towards favoring Constitutional rights and Constitutional governance, we'd get a national precedent that effectively strikes down a lot of the extreme gun control laws in states like NY, CA, CT, and others. The Bill of Rights applies to the whole country, and doesn't stop doing so just because some state government decides they don't like what it says.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:36 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I wonder how a Justice Kavanaugh on the USSC will benefit gun rights. Looking forward to finding out.


He'll strike down assault weapons bans at least.

Hopefully.

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Postby Arengin Union » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:54 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:Ideally, with a Supreme Court more aligned towards favoring Constitutional rights and Constitutional governance, we'd get a national precedent that effectively strikes down a lot of the extreme gun control laws in states like NY, CA, CT, and others. The Bill of Rights applies to the whole country, and doesn't stop doing so just because some state government decides they don't like what it says.

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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:41 am

Northeast American Federation wrote:Ideally, with a Supreme Court more aligned towards favoring Constitutional rights and Constitutional governance, we'd get a national precedent that effectively strikes down a lot of the extreme gun control laws in states like NY, CA, CT, and others. The Bill of Rights applies to the whole country, and doesn't stop doing so just because some state government decides they don't like what it says.


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