Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Valgora]

Again. They're not the same thing.

You're right. There's also the scale to consider. So many more kiddos get cut down by an abortionists vagina vacuum than they do by bullets.

And it's not a good argument when it comes to gun control, because it can be turned right back around to you.

Go for it.

1. I don't argue gun control and abortion together.
2. I didn't say I would do it. I said that it can be turned right back around to you.
3. Fuck it, I'll play the gun grabber on this one:
"You claim to be pro-life let want children to be murdered by people with guns!"
I would take the time to make a more reasonable argument a gun grabber might make... but I think you get the point of what I'm saying.

Is it really? It basically makes almost any state considered "safe" or with too small of a population worthless.

Other way around, it ensures that the smaller states have a voice in all branches of the government.

EC only deals with the Presidential election.
So no, it doesn't give smaller states a voice in all branches of the government.

And it is undemocratic and outdated.

America was never a democracy.

America is a representative democracy.

And how do you know that it keeps LA and NYC from ruling the country? It sure as hell lets them rule CA and NY. And CA already has the most Electoral College votes.

>EC renders small states unimportant
>california has the most EC votes
>EC allows small states to rule larger states

Some of your statements seem contradictory.

How? I never said that EC allows small states to rule over larger states, it's you who seems to think that. I asked how do you know that it keeps LA and NYC from ruling the country, because EC sure allows them to control their states.
And I said that CA has the most EC votes - which makes it important; however, it is considered a safe state so no one really needs to worry about campaigning there.

Total Number of arrests for blacks from that same thing: 26.9%

Yep, that's pretty disproportionate.

So you ignore the 69.6% for white people?

My point was that economics and poverty is more of a cause of crime than ethnicity.

I never claimed that ethnicity was the cause of criminality.

I never said that you claimed it was the cause. I was just pointing out that you ignored that economics and poverty are more of a cause of crime.

"There's a black person."
*Shoots black person*
*unarmed*
"I was.... I was... defending myself. They commit more crimes. I was defending myself. I feared for my life."

I'm sure this is a regularly occurrence in FantasyLand. Over in reality though, the vast majority of police shootings (regardless of race) are justified.

I'll admit, that it was a hyperbole.

But anyways... are the vast majority of police shooting are justified?
Does that make it ok when a cop shoots some unjustly because they "feared for their life"?

Your statement basically says that police can just shoot blacks because they commit crimes.

Now you're just lying.

"Police officers have every right to defend themselves from violent criminals, same as any other US resident. So yes, it kind of does."
You pretty much did considering the context of what we are talking about. Because you said that they can defend themselves from violent criminals, but it also appears to make the claim that it doesn't matter if the person is a violent criminal because that was you're response to me saying that even if blacks disproportionally commit more crimes, that doesn't mean it's a reason for police to disproportionately shoot blacks.
Albeit, it may have been an issue of... FUCK! I forgot what the word I was looking for was. God damn it.
Albeit, you may have not explained what you meant well enough with that statement (that works... I guess) and I probably misread it to some extent.

[Telconi]

You're right. There's also the scale to consider. So many more kiddos get cut down by an abortionists vagina vacuum than they do by bullets.



Go for it.

1. I don't argue gun control and abortion together.
2. I didn't say I would do it. I said that it can be turned right back around to you.
3. Fuck it, I'll play the gun grabber on this one:
"You claim to be pro-life let want children to be murdered by people with guns!"
I would take the time to make a more reasonable argument a gun grabber might make... but I think you get the point of what I'm saying.

Other way around, it ensures that the smaller states have a voice in all branches of the government.

EC only deals with the Presidential election.
So no, it doesn't give smaller states a voice in all branches of the government.

America was never a democracy.

America is a representative democracy.

>EC renders small states unimportant
>california has the most EC votes
>EC allows small states to rule larger states

Some of your statements seem contradictory.

How? I never said that EC allows small states to rule over larger states, it's you who seems to think that. I asked how do you know that it keeps LA and NYC from ruling the country, because EC sure allows them to control their states.
And I said that CA has the most EC votes - which makes it important; however, it is considered a safe state so no one really needs to worry about campaigning there.

Yep, that's pretty disproportionate.

So you ignore the 69.6% for white people?

I never claimed that ethnicity was the cause of criminality.

I never said that you claimed it was the cause. I was just pointing out that you ignored that economics and poverty are more of a cause of crime.

I'm sure this is a regularly occurrence in FantasyLand. Over in reality though, the vast majority of police shootings (regardless of race) are justified.

I'll admit, that it was a hyperbole.

But anyways... are the vast majority of police shooting are justified?
Does that make it ok when a cop shoots some unjustly because they "feared for their life"?

Now you're just lying.

"Police officers have every right to defend themselves from violent criminals, same as any other US resident. So yes, it kind of does."
You pretty much did considering the context of what we are talking about. Because you said that they can defend themselves from violent criminals, but it also appears to make the claim that it doesn't matter if the person is a violent criminal because that was you're response to me saying that even if blacks disproportionally commit more crimes, that doesn't mean it's a reason for police to disproportionately shoot blacks.
Albeit, it may have been an issue of... FUCK! I forgot what the word I was looking for was. God damn it.
Albeit, you may have not explained what you meant well enough with that statement (that works... I guess) and I probably misread it to some extent.

>More reasonable
>Gun grabber

Heh...

Seriously tho, the idea that people who support gun rights are proponents of murder isn't an argument, it's literally just distilled stupidity.

[Great Minarchistan]

1. I don't argue gun control and abortion together.
2. I didn't say I would do it. I said that it can be turned right back around to you.
3. Fuck it, I'll play the gun grabber on this one:
"You claim to be pro-life let want children to be murdered by people with guns!"
I would take the time to make a more reasonable argument a gun grabber might make... but I think you get the point of what I'm saying.



EC only deals with the Presidential election.
So no, it doesn't give smaller states a voice in all branches of the government.



America is a representative democracy.



How? I never said that EC allows small states to rule over larger states, it's you who seems to think that. I asked how do you know that it keeps LA and NYC from ruling the country, because EC sure allows them to control their states.
And I said that CA has the most EC votes - which makes it important; however, it is considered a safe state so no one really needs to worry about campaigning there.



So you ignore the 69.6% for white people?



I never said that you claimed it was the cause. I was just pointing out that you ignored that economics and poverty are more of a cause of crime.


I'll admit, that it was a hyperbole.

But anyways... are the vast majority of police shooting are justified?
Does that make it ok when a cop shoots some unjustly because they "feared for their life"?


"Police officers have every right to defend themselves from violent criminals, same as any other US resident. So yes, it kind of does."
You pretty much did considering the context of what we are talking about. Because you said that they can defend themselves from violent criminals, but it also appears to make the claim that it doesn't matter if the person is a violent criminal because that was you're response to me saying that even if blacks disproportionally commit more crimes, that doesn't mean it's a reason for police to disproportionately shoot blacks.
Albeit, it may have been an issue of... FUCK! I forgot what the word I was looking for was. God damn it.
Albeit, you may have not explained what you meant well enough with that statement (that works... I guess) and I probably misread it to some extent.

>More reasonable
>Gun grabber

Heh...

Seriously tho, the idea that people who support gun rights are proponents of murder isn't an argument, it's literally just distilled stupidity.

No relationship between gun ownership and murder across the world anyways

[Valgora]

1. I don't argue gun control and abortion together.
2. I didn't say I would do it. I said that it can be turned right back around to you.
3. Fuck it, I'll play the gun grabber on this one:
"You claim to be pro-life let want children to be murdered by people with guns!"
I would take the time to make a more reasonable argument a gun grabber might make... but I think you get the point of what I'm saying.



EC only deals with the Presidential election.
So no, it doesn't give smaller states a voice in all branches of the government.



America is a representative democracy.



How? I never said that EC allows small states to rule over larger states, it's you who seems to think that. I asked how do you know that it keeps LA and NYC from ruling the country, because EC sure allows them to control their states.
And I said that CA has the most EC votes - which makes it important; however, it is considered a safe state so no one really needs to worry about campaigning there.



So you ignore the 69.6% for white people?



I never said that you claimed it was the cause. I was just pointing out that you ignored that economics and poverty are more of a cause of crime.


I'll admit, that it was a hyperbole.

But anyways... are the vast majority of police shooting are justified?
Does that make it ok when a cop shoots some unjustly because they "feared for their life"?


"Police officers have every right to defend themselves from violent criminals, same as any other US resident. So yes, it kind of does."
You pretty much did considering the context of what we are talking about. Because you said that they can defend themselves from violent criminals, but it also appears to make the claim that it doesn't matter if the person is a violent criminal because that was you're response to me saying that even if blacks disproportionally commit more crimes, that doesn't mean it's a reason for police to disproportionately shoot blacks.
Albeit, it may have been an issue of... FUCK! I forgot what the word I was looking for was. God damn it.
Albeit, you may have not explained what you meant well enough with that statement (that works... I guess) and I probably misread it to some extent.

>More reasonable
>Gun grabber

Heh...

Seriously tho, the idea that people who support gun rights are proponents of murder isn't an argument, it's literally just distilled stupidity.

Yes, it is stupid.
I wonder just how many people actually think that? Cause I don't think I've ever personally met someone who thought that.

[Licana]

"You claim to be pro-life let want children to be murdered by people with guns!"
I would take the time to make a more reasonable argument a gun grabber might make... but I think you get the point of what I'm saying.

There's an easy counter to this statement: "I'm not pro-life."

EC only deals with the Presidential election.
So no, it doesn't give smaller states a voice in all branches of the government.

EC effects Presidential election, so there's the executive branch
President (elected by representatives of the states) appoints SC nominees, so that's the judicial branch
At the legislative branch the influence of small states is built in due to the function of House + Congress (but especially Congress).

America is a representative democracy.

I prefer the term Constitutional Republic, it's better at keeping the direct-democracy mob-rule types away.

How? I never said that EC allows small states to rule over larger states, it's you who seems to think that. I asked how do you know that it keeps LA and NYC from ruling the country, because EC sure allows them to control their states. And I said that CA has the most EC votes - which makes it important; however, it is considered a safe state so no one really needs to worry about campaigning there.

Ah, I apologize for the misunderstanding. Yes, it does, but it restricts their influence to their state. By proportion of population, these large cities would have more influence in more direct systems of voting. The Electoral College system as it is now isn't perfect by any means, but I still find the concept of the states deciding federal elections to be preferable over, well, any other system of voting that I can conceive of.

So you ignore the 69.6% for white people?

No, but I do understand that "white people" (which in the FBI statistics includes latin-american hispanics) consists of 79.3% of the population, and Black people 12.6% of the population.

I never said that you claimed it was the cause. I was just pointing out that you ignored that economics and poverty are more of a cause of crime.

Ok. That's still irrelevant.

But anyways... are the vast majority of police shooting are justified?
Does that make it ok when a cop shoots some unjustly because they "feared for their life"?

Yes, they are.
No, it does not.

Albeit, you may have not explained what you meant well enough with that statement (that works... I guess) and I probably misread it to some extent.

The concept I wished to convey was fairly simple: "If a certain portion of the population has a high incidence of criminality, it follows that they would in turn have a high incidence of getting shot by the police." I wasn't saying it's okay for the police to shoah black people. I wasn't saying that black people are criminals because they are black. All I was saying was that criminals are more likely to be shot by the police.

As a point of illustration: here is a Washington Post article that tracked the number of fatal police shootings in 2016 (same year as that FBI table I posted). It states that there were 963 fatal shootings done by police officers in the year of 2016. Of those 963, 234 were black men and 61 were of an unknown race. If we discard the 61 unknowns from the total, we end up with 234/902 = 25.94%. Compare that with the overall black arrests on the FBI table. I didn't think I'd have to break down how criminality and police shootings may be related, but there you go.

[Gig em Aggies]

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So head on down to the store and buy yourself a 3D printer and a computer

[The South Falls]

More good new stuff fellas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... month.html

So head on down to the store and buy yourself a 3D printer and a computer

Oh shite... now guns will finally be unregulatable.

[Telconi]

More good new stuff fellas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... month.html

So head on down to the store and buy yourself a 3D printer and a computer

I love the smell of freedom in the morning.

[The South Falls]

More good new stuff fellas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... month.html

So head on down to the store and buy yourself a 3D printer and a computer

I love the smell of freedom in the morning.

When Tel smells freedom, I smell foul.

[Gig em Aggies]

I love the smell of freedom in the morning.

When Tel smells freedom, I smell foul.

You must gen smelling the turkey I shot with my printed AR

[Telconi]

I love the smell of freedom in the morning.

When Tel smells freedom, I smell foul.

Not my fault you think freedom stinks.

[Washington Resistance Army]

More good new stuff fellas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... month.html

So head on down to the store and buy yourself a 3D printer and a computer

Oh shite... now guns will finally be unregulatable.

This stuff was already out there and being made by individual groups and people without regulation, all that's changed is now a professional company can put their files out there without needing to abide by ITAR.

[The New California Republic]

More good new stuff fellas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... month.html

So head on down to the store and buy yourself a 3D printer and a computer

Oh shite... now guns will finally be unregulatable.

Guns can be made using stuff found in the average shed or garage, the only difference here is that it cuts out the need to have a little knowledge of gun mechanisms.

[Big Jim P]

Oh shite... now guns will finally be unregulatable.

Guns can be made using stuff found in the average shed or garage, the only difference here is that it cuts out the need to have a little knowledge of gun mechanisms.

With a little work you can build small artillery (mortars) with stuff found in any hardware store. Including explosive and gas delivery shells.

[Big Jim P]

When Tel smells freedom, I smell foul.

Not my fault you think freedom stinks.

Well said.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Not my fault you think freedom stinks.

Well said.

I'll admit, I laughed upon reading this with my morning coffee.

[Big Jim P]

Well said.

I'll admit, I laughed upon reading this with my morning coffee.

Same here.

[Hammer Britannia]

When Tel smells freedom, I smell foul.

Not my fault you think freedom stinks.

[Hammer Britannia]

More good new stuff fellas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... month.html

So head on down to the store and buy yourself a 3D printer and a computer

Well, I know what I'm gonna do this weekend.

[Paddy O Fernature]

You guys are thinking too small here!

[Hammer Britannia]

You guys are thinking too small here!

(Image)

Is... Is that a rocket?

You're thinking too small.

[Paddy O Fernature]

You guys are thinking too small here!

(Image)

Is... Is that a rocket?

You're thinking too small.

Propellant/guidance end of a 80mm mortar actually. Basically the hardest part of one to manufacture at home without a decent shop setup.

[Sovaal]

Oh shite... now guns will finally be unregulatable.

Guns can be made using stuff found in the average shed or garage, the only difference here is that it cuts out the need to have a little knowledge of gun mechanisms.

Still kinda want a Luty.

[The New California Republic]

Guns can be made using stuff found in the average shed or garage, the only difference here is that it cuts out the need to have a little knowledge of gun mechanisms.

Still kinda want a Luty.

As I have said before, I'd pay good money for a replica Sten, but one with a wooden stock, like the experimental Mark II's had.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

More good new stuff fellas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... month.html

So head on down to the store and buy yourself a 3D printer and a computer

I love the smell of freedom in the morning.

Nothing can stop the revolution now.