Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Grinning Dragon]

All automatic and semi-automatic weapons. For starters.

So everything apart from single action revolvers and bolt action rifles and the like?

Would the Lorenzoni repeating flintlock pistol be ok? Or is that too close to being a semi-auto?

[The New California Republic]

So everything apart from single action revolvers and bolt action rifles and the like?

Would the Lorenzoni repeating flintlock pistol be ok? Or is that too close to being a semi-auto?

Hmm. It is something that occupies that grey area between categories. Ask the guy that proposed banning semi-autos, as he seems to know his stuff...

[Wysten]

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I don't... wait a minute... is that, is that who I think it is?

OH SH--
DON'T YOU DARE SAYING THAT

Please God make it so.

[Licana]

Would the Lorenzoni repeating flintlock pistol be ok? Or is that too close to being a semi-auto?

Hmm. It is something that occupies that grey area between categories. Ask the guy that proposed banning semi-autos, as he seems to know his stuff...

i guess flintlocks have to be banned to close the Lorenzoni loophole

[Wysten]

[Hammer Britannia]

OH SH--
DON'T YOU DARE SAYING THAT

Please God make it so.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

[Licana]

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>doesn't make note of the many crumbling hellbridges in the mississippi watershed

brainlet map

[Kernen]

Define a "weapon of war" please.

All automatic and semi-automatic weapons. For starters.

Basically all weapons in common circulation.

Good for us that the constitution is on our side. Just because you've undergone a tragedy doesn't mean we should have to compromise on our rights. Not anymore than we force people to surrender their knives, big dogs, fireworks, or cars just because somebody misuses them.

[The Lone Alliance]

Define a "weapon of war" please.

All automatic and semi-automatic weapons. For starters.

Almost every single pistol is semi-automatic.

You even know what semi-automatic means? It means when you pull the trigger it goes bang every time until you run out of ammo.

[Tule]

Define a "weapon of war" please.

All automatic and semi-automatic weapons. For starters.

What do you mean by semi-automatic?

That may or may not include revolvers for instance, depending on the definition.

It certainly includes a large number of weapons with no military heritage, like semi-automatic shotguns.



I suspect you might be referring to post-WW2 self-loading rifles with a military pedigree like the M1A, AR-15, AK clones etc.

I get the sentiment and somewhat agree with your goals, but it helps to get these things straight.

Personally, I think it would suffice to limit these weapons to those who demonstrate a good reason for having these weapons, like people who compete in shooting sports where these weapons are used, or pest controllers.

[The Two Jerseys]

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I lost it at "Mormon Switzerland".

[Wysten]

All automatic and semi-automatic weapons. For starters.

What do you mean by semi-automatic?

That may or may not include revolvers for instance, depending on the definition.

It certainly includes a large number of weapons with no military heritage, like semi-automatic shotguns.



I suspect you might be referring to post-WW2 self-loading rifles with a military pedigree like the M1A, AR-15, AK clones etc.

I get the sentiment and somewhat agree with your goals, but it helps to get these things straight.

Personally, I think it would suffice to limit these weapons to those who demonstrate a good reason for having these weapons, like people who compete in shooting sports where these weapons are used, or pest controllers.

I mean people trying to grab my rights are kind of a pest.

[Torrocca]

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Fun fact: Fortunate Son plays down here in Florida at every gas station 24/7.

[Kernen]

Looks like MGM Resorts is suing the survivors of the Las Vegas shooting. Possibly as a preemptive response to Paige Gaspar's complaint, so it can get moved to federal court. I cant find a copy, unfortunately. But I did find a copy of Ms. Gaspar's complaint, which alleges every kind of negligence against manufacturers of bump stocks. I'm amused that her attorneys characterize the design as defective. I suspect the strict liability claims against bump stock manufacturers will be dismissed on the pleadings or summary judgment.

No bump stock manufacturer or distributor is liable for jack shit.

[Hammer Britannia]

No bump stock manufacturer or distributor is liable for jack shit.

I mean, yeah. If a guy with a hammer smashes someone's face you don't blame the manufacturer you blame the man who smashed him with a hammer. It should be common knowledge.

[Kernen]

No bump stock manufacturer or distributor is liable for jack shit.

I mean, yeah. If a guy with a hammer smashes someone's face you don't blame the manufacturer you blame the man who smashed him with a hammer. It should be common knowledge.

My favorite part is claiming they were of flawed design and manufacture, causing them to be unreasonably dangerous. No, they were designed to simulate automatic fire intentionally. You're just throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks so you can implead a bunch of other parties.

Though a close runner up is the claim that, by virtue of purchasing multiple bump stocks, the retail distributors should have realized they shouldn't be selling the stocks to him. There isn't anything inherently suspicious or wrongful about a bulk purchase for the distributor.

[Marjory Stoneman Douglas]

That will literally cover 90% of the firearms available.[/quote
This, plus mental issues may cover any mild kind of ADHD (which affects ~36m Americans according to CDC).

Hey. That's offensive. I have ADHD! Severe ADHD. ADHD does not affect ~36 million Americans. It's far less than that. That's a topic for another day, though. I have ADHD, yet I don't want to shoot up a school, a mall, etc. While mental illness is an issue, it's not the only issue!

[Hammer Britannia]

While mental illness is an issue, it's not the only issue!

Nobody has said that or has ever said that.

[Kernen]

Hey. That's offensive. I have ADHD! Severe ADHD. ADHD does not affect ~36 million Americans. It's far less than that. That's a topic for another day, though. I have ADHD, yet I don't want to shoot up a school, a mall, etc. While mental illness is an issue, it's not the only issue!

What is offensive is your desire to restrict our rights.

[Big Jim P]

There is some truth to the "one-sided compromise" rhetoric. Gun Control activists aren't very generous.

That being said, they are in a bit of a difficult situation because given current Federal US gun laws you don't have very much to give. You Americans really do have very, very liberal gun laws, your idea of draconian gun laws would make gun owners in other countries laugh or cry. There simply aren't very many gun laws at the Federal US level that could be repealed without practically rendering guns unregulated.

That being said, let me come up with some ideas for "compromises":
1)
Gun owners concede: Mandatory background checks for all handgun transfers, including private transfers. Liability rests on the last known owner of the handgun if it gets misused. This would be enforced by mandating the use of Bills of Sale to establish a chain of ownership. Mandatory reporting of stolen or lost firearms.

In exchange, silencers are removed from the NFA and the assault weapons import ban is repealed. Long gun purchase age is reduced to 16 years.

2)
Handguns are restricted to those who have a Federal Concealed Weapons Permit. Exceptions would be made for Olympic pistols, humane killers, flare guns, Howdah pistols etc.

The Permit is issued on a shall-issue basis and would be available to anyone that isn't a restricted person according to the 1968 GCA, and has in addition not been found guilty of misdemeanors related to alcohol abuse such as DUI's and public intoxication in the past 5 years.

In return, the obvious benefit would be the ability to carry handguns literally everywhere in the US.

Um...we are still owed a return for the 1934, 1968 and 1986 gun control laws (and I am sure I missed some). We have "compromised" more than enough already.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hughes has to go for me to consider any sort of compromise tbqh

[Big Jim P]

Also, if you expect someone to sum up over 250 pages of discussion, then it just isn't happening.

I have a summery

It's a back and forth between actual reasons and "But muh children" with a bit of memes and Neo-Keshilands here and there

Spot on.

[Big Jim P]

Yes, I am a student and survivor from MSD. Please feel free to ask me any questions about it. I'm ok to talk about it.

No questions. Sad it happened.

[Hammer Britannia]

I have a summery

It's a back and forth between actual reasons and "But muh children" with a bit of memes and Neo-Keshilands here and there

Spot on.

Thanks

[Estanglia]

Define a "weapon of war" please.

All automatic and semi-automatic weapons. For starters.

Soo... Nearly every pistol and rifle except:
Muzzle loading rifles
Flintlock rifles
Pump-action shotguns
Single action revolvers
Bolt-action rifles
etc.

I'm not sure where double action revolvers would fall. Would they count as semi auto?