Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Torrocca]

Both of you are wrong

The modern Equivalent is a M61 Vulcan

*Laughs in Krautmower*

[The Two Jerseys]

Both of you are wrong

The modern Equivalent is a M61 Vulcan

*Laughs in Krautmower*

M61 quadmount.

I think the entire Air Defense Artillery branch just got a hard-on...

[Torrocca]

*Laughs in Krautmower*

M61 quadmount.

I think the entire Air Defense Artillery branch just got a hard-on...

Upsize it to 40mm HE ammunition instead, though. :^)

[The Two Jerseys]

M61 quadmount.

I think the entire Air Defense Artillery branch just got a hard-on...

Upsize it to 40mm HE ammunition instead, though. :^)

3"/70 Mk26 gatling quadmount.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Masshooter from Norway used a .22. Kid in Texas killed ten people with a pump action shotgun. The vastness of concealed carry here in the states makes the restriction of handguns untenable, and pretty much none of the serious current antis even bother to push it. Plenty of knives can be easily concealed.

So yah, big fat no from me.

Breivik used a .223 Mini-14, which is considerably more powerful than .22 LR or .22 WMR

Mass shootings with shotguns are not nearly as deadly as mass shootings with Semi-Automatic rifles or machine guns. If you look at all the deadliest mass shootings in history with more than ~20 fatalities there are a lot of semi-auto rifles and machine guns, but only one where a shotgun was used, and in that case it was only used in a part of the massacre.

So the deadliest massacre where a shotgun was exclusively used has 14 fatalities. The deadliest pistol massascre has 32 fatalities and the deadliest semi-auto rifle massacre has 58 fatalities.

Restricting handguns is first and foremost a matter of political will.

Deadliest massacre by Nat'l gaurd belt-fed machine guns in the 20th century: Ludlow Massacre, April 1914: 30 dead

For the longest time, the deadliest mass shooting in America was committed with a couple of bolt action rifles and a shotgun (19 dead, 31 injured). Trumping the record from 1949.

Perhaps the rise in mass deaths from shootings stems from enforcement of laws from 1966 being hampered?

Officer Houston McCoy, 26, heard of the shooting on his radio. As he looked for a way into the tower, a student offered to help, saying he had a rifle at home. McCoy drove the student to his home to retrieve the rifle.

Allen Crum, a 40-year-old retired Air Force tail gunner, was a manager at the University Book Store Co-Op. Across the street he saw a 17-year-old newspaper boy being dragged and went to break up what he thought was a fight. Learning the boy had been shot, and hearing more shots, Crum rerouted street traffic out of harm's way.[25] Unable to make his way back to the store safely, he then made his way to the tower, where he offered to help the police. Inside the tower, he accompanied Department of Public Safety Agent Dub Cowan and Austin Police Officer Jerry Day up the elevator; Cowan provided Crum with a rifle.

Around noon, Officer Ramiro "Ray" Martinez was off duty at home when he heard about the attack on the news. Having called the police station, he was instructed to go to the campus and direct traffic. Once there he found other officers already doing that, so he went to the tower. He assumed he would find a team of officers there, but when he reached the 27th floor he found only Cowan, Crum, and Day

Officers and several civilians provided suppressive fire from the ground with small weapons and hunting rifles, forcing Whitman to stay low and fire through storm drains at the foot of the observation deck's wall.

Ultimately, Allen Crum, Frank Holder, William Wilcox, and Jim Boutwell materially assisted 9 police officers and a state trooper during the shooting.

[Isilanka]

But Nazi uniforms are pure ugly and impractical. >:C

What on God's green earth are you smoking?

No, this is true. I've never understood the fascination people have for WWII german designs. Wermacht uniforms are meh. I find all SS stuff incredibly awful and frankly cringey, like they've just discovered that having totally not understood and random nordic symbols and skulls is badass while it just makes you look like fools. German WWII tanks are moving boxes, they're massive and gemoetric without any aesthetic quality, the Tiger I being the worst offender here - hell even the Panther is ugly. You can feel that those things were extremely prone to mechanical failures just by looking at them.
And don't even get me started on planes. The only ones I find remotely elegant are the Focke-Wulf and the Uhu with its big glass bubble. All the rest doesn't hold a candle to the raw britishness of a Spitfire or the stylized elegance of a Mustang.
In fact all german WWII designs are a good example of form metting an awful function. Everything looks like it's been designed for a gigantic dick-waving contest rather than actual industrial warfare.

[Thermodolia]

How does this thread even survive to three iterations with so few posters advocating gun control?

I must do my part to ensure its existence. No one ever listens but posting here is strangely cathartic.

Divide weapons into 2 groups: Unrestricted and Restricted

Unrestricted weapons only require a background check for every transfer (defined as giving someone a firearm in your possession and letting them go out of your sight/shouting distance/whatever.) People with a history of self-harm, violence or abuse of intoxicants would be barred, temporarily for minor infarctions and permanently for major ones.
Unrestricted weapons are all weapons who do not fall into the restricted category.

Restricted weapons are any and all weapons and their components which have limited utility, high abuse potential, or a disproportionate ratio of both. These require the same fitness standards as unrestricted weapons, but in addition the possession of restricted weapons requires a specific and demonstrable need to own one and why an unrestricted weapon would be unsuitable for the intended purpose of the weapon.

These would include:

Automatic and burst-firing firearms
Semi-automatic rifles chambered in centrefire calibers.
Handguns
Weapons disguised as non-threatening objects
Concealable melee weapons like knuckle dusters and switchblades
Bump-stocks, trigger cranks and hellfire triggers.
Explosives and CRBN substances.

A specific and demonstrable need can include:

Membership at a shooting range where internationally competitive shooting sports take place that require restricted firearms, e.g. 25m rapid fire pistol or IPSC.
Explosives for mining and construction.
Curios and relics for museums, including disguised weapons and machineguns.
Individuals at an elevated risk of being attacked such as jewellers, bodyguards, police officers, militiamen, soldiers, cash transit workers, people who have filed restraining orders etc.
Medical and pharmaceutical laboratories.
Nuclear industry.

This way the number of restricted firearms and those who use them in society is minimised, meaning fewer guns that can be stolen and fewer individuals that can abuse them. But they are not eliminated meaning that the few practical uses they have can benefit society.

Fuck that

[Thermodolia]

To about the same extent it's possible to remove the 1A, sure.

Not quite.

The 2A is by far the least popular amendment of the US constitution today. Only the 18th Amendment was less popular, resulting in its abolition.

Does it have a lot of supporters? Sure, but nowhere near as many as the first one.

You want a civil war? Because that’s how ya get one, that or a coup

[Thermodolia]

I say let's give em a taste of their own medicine let's repeal in peicmeal their most cherished rights and let them see how they've been treating a good portion of the country.

Unfortunately, unlike our right to bear arms, their most cherished rights are often some that we value as well.

We can start with Roe

[Hammer Britannia]

Not quite.

The 2A is by far the least popular amendment of the US constitution today. Only the 18th Amendment was less popular, resulting in its abolition.

Does it have a lot of supporters? Sure, but nowhere near as many as the first one.

You want a civil war? Because that’s how ya get one, that or a coup

And we're the armed one so...

[Torrocca]

What on God's green earth are you smoking?

No, this is true. I've never understood the fascination people have for WWII german designs. Wermacht uniforms are meh. I find all SS stuff incredibly awful and frankly cringey, like they've just discovered that having totally not understood and random nordic symbols and skulls is badass while it just makes you look like fools. German WWII tanks are moving boxes, they're massive and gemoetric without any aesthetic quality, the Tiger I being the worst offender here - hell even the Panther is ugly. You can feel that those things were extremely prone to mechanical failures just by looking at them.
And don't even get me started on planes. The only ones I find remotely elegant are the Focke-Wulf and the Uhu with its big glass bubble. All the rest doesn't hold a candle to the raw britishness of a Spitfire or the stylized elegance of a Mustang.
In fact all german WWII designs are a good example of form metting an awful function. Everything looks like it's been designed for a gigantic dick-waving contest rather than actual industrial warfare.

Reminder that Tigers were so shit that an M8 Grayhound killed one at Bastogne :^)

[Thermodolia]

Well using that argument the constitution shouldn't be applied to the internet, radio, or other new means of communication.

It also ignores the fact that the framers basically allowed privately owned warships and cannons, they in fact encouraged it.

That is true, but I never said that the 2nd amendment should be limited to weapons of the time, only that it is hard to draw the line when more than two hundred years have passed. I mean, we don’t even have state militias anymore, which was an important part of the 2A.

What is the National Guard?

[Torrocca]

That is true, but I never said that the 2nd amendment should be limited to weapons of the time, only that it is hard to draw the line when more than two hundred years have passed. I mean, we don’t even have state militias anymore, which was an important part of the 2A.

What is the National Guard?

We need to organize the entire populations of states into a People's Militia, free from Federal oversight and regulation :^)

[Hammer Britannia]

That is true, but I never said that the 2nd amendment should be limited to weapons of the time, only that it is hard to draw the line when more than two hundred years have passed. I mean, we don’t even have state militias anymore, which was an important part of the 2A.

What is the National Guard?

Anyone who's been to Texas for even a second knows we have a militia

ffs we even have a Air Force

[Isilanka]

What is the National Guard?

We need to organize the entire populations of states into a People's Militia, free from Federal oversight and regulation :^)

The moment you do that California and Nevada declare open war upon each other for water control.

[Torrocca]

We need to organize the entire populations of states into a People's Militia, free from Federal oversight and regulation :^)

The moment you do that California and Nevada declare open war upon each other for water control.

At least the rest of us will get to enjoy the buttery embrace of all the popcorn we'll need for that theatrical spectacle. :^)

[Isilanka]

The moment you do that California and Nevada declare open war upon each other for water control.

At least the rest of us will get to enjoy the buttery embrace of all the popcorn we'll need for that theatrical spectacle. :^)

It would be more of a one-way curbstomp for what is technically among the top 10 economies of the world then decades of Nevada slowly dying of thirst.
Welcome to cyberpunk america, ladies and gents.

[Torrocca]

At least the rest of us will get to enjoy the buttery embrace of all the popcorn we'll need for that theatrical spectacle. :^)

It would be more of a one-way curbstomp for what is technically among the top 10 economies of the world then decades of Nevada slowly dying of thirst.
Welcome to cyberpunk america, ladies and gents.

Well, might as well organize everyone else in looting Vegas before Cali hits the place.

[Isilanka]

It would be more of a one-way curbstomp for what is technically among the top 10 economies of the world then decades of Nevada slowly dying of thirst.
Welcome to cyberpunk america, ladies and gents.

Well, might as well organize everyone else in looting Vegas before Cali hits the place.

Well in any case, civil war or not I don't see how Vegas can survive the century anyway.
But i'm really under the impression that allowing state militia would essentially provide the richest states with private armies and not much else, which could be devastative in places where there are already tensions between states or between states and the federal goverment.

[Hammer Britannia]

Guys, in any realistic situation, Cali will ban all guns and they will be charging into battle with swords, knives, and sticks

[Isilanka]

Guys, in any realistic situation, Cali will ban all guns and they will be charging into battle with swords, knives, and sticks

No, if the state was seriously threatened you'd see corporation-sponsored militias armed to the teeth with modern weaponry or an outright state army. They have the money for it anyway.

[Torrocca]

Guys, in any realistic situation, Cali will ban all guns and they will be charging into battle with swords, knives, and sticks

Just rename guns to tactical knife throwers and they'll have guns again :^)

[Isilanka]

Guys, in any realistic situation, Cali will ban all guns and they will be charging into battle with swords, knives, and sticks

Just rename guns to tactical knife throwers and they'll have guns again :^)

I have a strong suspicion you're actually working for Activision, more specifically on the next CoD game.

[Hammer Britannia]

Just rename guns to tactical knife throwers and they'll have guns again :^)

I have a strong suspicion you're actually working for Activision, more specifically on the next CoD game.

He's secretly the main villain, AI-1 Von Rootintutin

[Torrocca]

Just rename guns to tactical knife throwers and they'll have guns again :^)

I have a strong suspicion you're actually working for Activision, more specifically on the next CoD game.

*Hides Mountain Dew^TM and Doritos^TM promos* I have no idea what you're talking about... c: