Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Tule]

Pump-action centrefire rifles can now be legally purchased in Iceland.

The slippery slope seems to go the other way here.

That's because Iceland has a populace that has access to better mental health care, and is generally a happier place than the U.S.
People over there can actually be trusted to value human life

lol, mental healthcare is rubbish here.

I mean, it's not ata ll stigmatized, but it's very understaffed and underfunded. Waiting lists of Psychiatrists are very long and clinical psychologists are not subsidized. At all.

Icelanders are not happy either, one of the highest suicide rates in Europe.

I suspect the ban was lifted due to a court case. Pump-action rifles were not banned by law, but licenses were not issued for them.

[Puldania]

That's because Iceland has a populace that has access to better mental health care, and is generally a happier place than the U.S.
People over there can actually be trusted to value human life

lol, mental healthcare is rubbish here.

I mean, it's not ata ll stigmatized, but it's very understaffed and underfunded. Waiting lists of Psychiatrists are very long and clinical psychologists are not subsidized. At all.

Icelanders are not happy either, one of the highest suicide rates in Europe.

I suspect the ban was lifted due to a court case. Pump-action rifles were not banned by law, but licenses were not issued for them.

I have a relative who moved to Iceland from the U.S, and she finds that stigma is often the most important factor in mental health... Great psychological access and therapy programs are useless when no-one goes to them due to stigma

[Puldania]

That's because Iceland has a populace that has access to better mental health care, and is generally a happier place than the U.S.
People over there can actually be trusted to value human life

Most people I’ve met in my life as an American have lived their entire lives without killing someone, and that includes the ones who owned guns, so I’m calling bull.

Savages, savages, barely even human
savages, savages...

The hell does that even have to do with his?

I didn't imply at all that gun-owners are vicious murderers. I meant that you wouldn't make it possible for a murderous sociopath to gain access to weaponry.

People who murder other people are indeed savages.

[Big Jim P]

Most people I’ve met in my life as an American have lived their entire lives without killing someone, and that includes the ones who owned guns, so I’m calling bull.


The hell does that even have to do with his?

I didn't imply at all that gun-owners are vicious murderers. I meant that you wouldn't make it possible for a murderous sociopath to gain access to weaponry.

People who murder other people are indeed savages.

People who would take away or restrict a potential victims best means of self defense are worse.

[Albrenia]

I didn't imply at all that gun-owners are vicious murderers. I meant that you wouldn't make it possible for a murderous sociopath to gain access to weaponry.

People who murder other people are indeed savages.

People who would take away or restrict a potential victims best means of self defense are worse.

Uh... so gun control advocates are literally worse than murderers?

Nice.

[Vigil Imperium]

To be fair, when I saw the line: "if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns." I was pretty much done deciding my opinion on gun control.

[Kernen]

Pump-action centrefire rifles can now be legally purchased in Iceland.

The slippery slope seems to go the other way here.

That's because Iceland has a populace that has access to better mental health care, and is generally a happier place than the U.S.
People over there can actually be trusted to value human life

I mean, what does it matter if you don't value life if you still obey the law? So long as people are rational enough to be deterred at the prospect of going to jail for life if they commit murder on any scale, their internal valuation of life is irrelevant.

I suspect your valuation of life and mine are different, yet I'm not slaughtering people.

[Albrenia]

I think we can all agree that not slaughtering people is a good place to start.

[Ors Might]

People who would take away or restrict a potential victims best means of self defense are worse.

Uh... so gun control advocates are literally worse than murderers?

Nice.

If you take away someone’s means of defending themselves, then while you aren’t as bad as the person who murders them, it could be said that you’re indirectly responsible for their death.

[The New California Republic]

I think we can all agree that not slaughtering people is a good place to start.

Yes, but it is the differing means by which that can be achieved that causes battle lines to be drawn.

[The South Falls]

I think we can all agree that not slaughtering people is a good place to start.

We can either:
1) Give people more guns, and more ability to slaughter, on the off chance that their shot will hit
Or
2) Give people less guns, and reduce the amount of weapons able to slaughter.

[The New California Republic]

I think we can all agree that not slaughtering people is a good place to start.

We can either:
1) Give people more guns, and more ability to slaughter, on the off chance that their shot will hit
Or
2) Give people less guns, and reduce the amount of weapons able to slaughter. their ability to defend themselves.

Fixed that for you.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I think we can all agree that not slaughtering people is a good place to start.

We can either:
1) Give people more guns, and more ability to slaughter, on the off chance that their shot will hit
Or
2) Give people less guns, and reduce the amount of weapons able to slaughter.

1: People already have guns, and more and being sold every day at an ever increasing rate. And yet, if memory from Jim's stats earlier serves me correctly, overall homicide rates are going down and have been for over a decade.

2: See the UK's current situation for why I laughed so hard at this.

Here is a better option for you:

1: Actually go after criminals and leave the law abiding who have broken no laws alone and stop trying to further hinder/penalize them for shit they didn't do.

2: See above.

[Gig em Aggies]

This could help a lot it shows a lot https://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

to be fair most of the data isn't for the last couple of years but it most likely didn't change drastically since this was compiled.

[Telconi]

I think we can all agree that not slaughtering people is a good place to start.

We can either:
1) Give people more guns, and more ability to slaughter, on the off chance that their shot will hit
Or
2) Give people less guns, and reduce the amount of weapons able to slaughter.

>Ability to.

A person's capacity to do wrong is not inherently wrong, having a penis makes it possible for me to forcefully rape a woman, should my capacity to rape be reduced to?

[Big Jim P]

I think we can all agree that not slaughtering people is a good place to start.

We can either:
1) Give people more guns, and more ability to slaughter, on the off chance that their shot will hit
Or
2) Give people less guns, and reduce the amount of weapons able to slaughter.

No ones giving anyone guns. We have to buy them. Duh.

[Big Jim P]

We can either:
1) Give people more guns, and more ability to slaughter, on the off chance that their shot will hit
Or
2) Give people less guns, and reduce the amount of weapons able to slaughter.

1: People already have guns, and more and being sold every day at an ever increasing rate. And yet, if memory from Jim's stats earlier serves me correctly, overall homicide rates are going down and have been for over a decade.

2: See the UK's current situation for why I laughed so hard at this.

Here is a better option for you:

1: Actually go after criminals and leave the law abiding who have broken no laws alone and stop trying to further hinder/penalize them for shit they didn't do.

2: See above.

I need to update that to add more recent data, but haven't really had tb motivation.

Edit:
Annual gun homicides
2012: 8855

2011: 8583

2010: 8775

2009: 9,146

2008: 9,484

2007: 10,086

2006: 10,177

2005: 10,100
Source: Fbi.gov UCR Table

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

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[Kernen]

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This is relevant...how?

[New Emeline]

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To be fair, other countries have had school shootings...

[Gig em Aggies]

Political memes

To be fair, other countries have had school shootings...

Beslan school siege, Russia <- worst school shooting ever
Dunblane, Scotland

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Political memes

This is relevant...how?

It should be obvious.

To be fair, other countries have had school shootings...

Beslan school siege, Russia <- worst school shooting ever
Dunblane, Scotland

Political memes

To be fair, other countries have had school shootings...

They do but not as frequently as the US.

At the very least not in recent history.

[Telconi]

This is relevant...how?

It should be obvious.

Beslan school siege, Russia <- worst school shooting ever
Dunblane, Scotland

To be fair, other countries have had school shootings...

They do but not as frequently as the US.

At the very least not in recent history.

Collective punishment is never relevant.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It should be obvious.



They do but not as frequently as the US.

At the very least not in recent history.

Collective punishment is never relevant.

Trying to prevent mass shootings by being more selective about giving guns to people is bad how?

Honestly if it were up to me, guns would be privilege not a right.

[Fartsniffage]

It should be obvious.



They do but not as frequently as the US.

At the very least not in recent history.

Collective punishment is never relevant.

You clearly don't go to the right kind of adult clubs.....