Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No, it will not, a MBT will NOT uffer damage.

Its not a game.

Right, because there's nothing on top of a tank turret that can be damaged by extreme heat and flame, like a radio antenna or machine gun mounting.

And there's no engine air intakes or radiators that the smoke and burning propellant can get into and damage the engine.

A wall of flame also won't destroy vision.

[East Ustya]

No, it will not, a MBT will NOT uffer damage.

Its not a game.

Right, because there's nothing on top of a tank turret that can be damaged by extreme heat and flame, like a radio antenna or machine gun mounting.

And there's no engine air intakes or radiators that the smoke and burning propellant can get into and damage the engine.

Well, i thouht that MBT,s are airtight, but ok.

Good to know.

[Thermodolia]

Right, because there's nothing on top of a tank turret that can be damaged by extreme heat and flame, like a radio antenna or machine gun mounting.

And there's no engine air intakes or radiators that the smoke and burning propellant can get into and damage the engine.

Well, i thouht that MBT,s are airtight, but ok.

Good to know.

Not fully, otherwise we’d have some dead troops

[Thermodolia]

No but I’d say that IEDs are about the same if not worse

Definitely worse.

Well except for the duds and those ones that explode into a puff of smoke.

[Len Hyet]

Well, i thouht that MBT,s are airtight, but ok.

Good to know.

Not fully, otherwise we’d have some dead troops

The M1 is filtered and partially sealed, but the way a molotov achieves it's goal is not by killing the tank or the crew but by rendering them mission-ineffective. Can't see, can't shoot. Mission ineffective. Turret damage? Mission-ineffective.

IEDs work the same way. Yeah the goal is to kill the tank but it's perfectly acceptable to blow a tread off, or damage the engine. Either way, the tank is immobile and therefore mission-ineffective.

[East Ustya]

Well, i thouht that MBT,s are airtight, but ok.

Good to know.

Not fully, otherwise we’d have some dead troops

What do you mean, not fully?

[Spirit of Hope]

Right, because there's nothing on top of a tank turret that can be damaged by extreme heat and flame, like a radio antenna or machine gun mounting.

And there's no engine air intakes or radiators that the smoke and burning propellant can get into and damage the engine.

Well, i thouht that MBT,s are airtight, but ok.

Good to know.

They aren't air tight, they are water tight to a degree but generally would require additional work to be carried out to be able to ford rivers (fording kit including snorkel). While a Molotov cocktail would not be very efficient at completely knocking out a modern tank, because they are designed with that eventuality in mind, it can still have some effect. As already mentioned radios, machine gun mountings, ammo, and personnel equipment are all commonly attached or stored on the outside. This is not to mention that tank commanders like to keep their heads out because it gives them better fields of vision than staying inside. The fire and/or smoke in the engine to mobility kill a tank is rather hard and uncommon, but similar things have happened to modern tanks. Enough fire can also block the vision ports of a tank, making it harder to maneuver and fire small arms attacks definitely tends to drive away supporting infantry which makes the tanks job a lot harder.

TL;DR: Molotov Cocktails are inefficient and unlikely to get any form of kill, but can slow and degrade a tanks capabilities.

[East Ustya]

Well, i thouht that MBT,s are airtight, but ok.

Good to know.

They aren't air tight, they are water tight to a degree but generally would require additional work to be carried out to be able to ford rivers (fording kit including snorkel). While a Molotov cocktail would not be very efficient at completely knocking out a modern tank, because they are designed with that eventuality in mind, it can still have some effect. As already mentioned radios, machine gun mountings, ammo, and personnel equipment are all commonly attached or stored on the outside. This is not to mention that tank commanders like to keep their heads out because it gives them better fields of vision than staying inside. The fire and/or smoke in the engine to mobility kill a tank is rather hard and uncommon, but similar things have happened to modern tanks. Enough fire can also block the vision ports of a tank, making it harder to maneuver and fire small arms attacks definitely tends to drive away supporting infantry which makes the tanks job a lot harder.

TL;DR: Molotov Cocktails are inefficient and unlikely to get any form of kill, but can slow and degrade a tanks capabilities.

Iam outclassed here.

[Thermodolia]

Not fully, otherwise we’d have some dead troops

The M1 is filtered and partially sealed, but the way a molotov achieves it's goal is not by killing the tank or the crew but by rendering them mission-ineffective. Can't see, can't shoot. Mission ineffective. Turret damage? Mission-ineffective.

IEDs work the same way. Yeah the goal is to kill the tank but it's perfectly acceptable to blow a tread off, or damage the engine. Either way, the tank is immobile and therefore mission-ineffective.

Yup. But I’m still correct that we don’t have a 100% airtight tank, sans oxygen supply system. Because if we did my job as a medic would have been a lot worse than it was

[Len Hyet]

The M1 is filtered and partially sealed, but the way a molotov achieves it's goal is not by killing the tank or the crew but by rendering them mission-ineffective. Can't see, can't shoot. Mission ineffective. Turret damage? Mission-ineffective.

IEDs work the same way. Yeah the goal is to kill the tank but it's perfectly acceptable to blow a tread off, or damage the engine. Either way, the tank is immobile and therefore mission-ineffective.

Yup. But I’m still correct that we don’t have a 100% airtight tank, sans oxygen supply system. Because if we did my job as a medic would have been a lot worse than it was

No you're definitely right, just adding on.

[Thermodolia]

Not fully, otherwise we’d have some dead troops

What do you mean, not fully?

Because if they where 100% airtight it would kill anyone in there as there wouldn’t be any air to breathe. So unless you installed an oxygen supply system you can’t have a 100% airtight tank

[East Ustya]

What do you mean, not fully?

Because if they where 100% airtight it would kill anyone in there as there wouldn’t be any air to breathe. So unless you installed an oxygen supply system you can’t have a 100% airtight tank

Ahhhh, well the NBC system would help right?
Never been in the army myself.

I HATE my country.

[Spirit of Hope]

Because if they where 100% airtight it would kill anyone in there as there wouldn’t be any air to breathe. So unless you installed an oxygen supply system you can’t have a 100% airtight tank

Ahhhh, well the NBC system would help right?
Never been in the army myself.

I HATE my country.

NBC systems work by over pressuring the vehicle, making it so air leeks out not in. So long as the filters on the vehicle hold out overpressure is a very efficient way to keep a vehicle (up to ship size) NBC safe without having to worry about making it air tight (which is rather hard).

[East Ustya]

Ahhhh, well the NBC system would help right?
Never been in the army myself.

I HATE my country.

NBC systems work by over pressuring the vehicle, making it so air leeks out not in. So long as the filters on the vehicle hold out overpressure is a very efficient way to keep a vehicle (up to ship size) NBC safe without having to worry about making it air tight (which is rather hard).

T(h)anks.

[Thermodolia]

Ya know if the Abrams was airtight the Marines would have made a game of it by now. “Who can stay in the airtight tank the longest” beer would most definitely be involved

[Thermodolia]

Because if they where 100% airtight it would kill anyone in there as there wouldn’t be any air to breathe. So unless you installed an oxygen supply system you can’t have a 100% airtight tank

Ahhhh, well the NBC system would help right?
Never been in the army myself.

I HATE my country.

That was a bit unnecessary and not exactly surprising.

[East Ustya]

Ahhhh, well the NBC system would help right?
Never been in the army myself.

I HATE my country.

That was a bit unnecessary and not exactly surprising.

I mean its the reason i am not in the army.
That and my ehhh, weakness.

[Thermodolia]

That was a bit unnecessary and not exactly surprising.

I mean its the reason i am not in the army.
That and my ehhh, weakness.

You didn’t need to state a reason dude. Especially one that might be intended to rial people up

[East Ustya]

I mean its the reason i am not in the army.
That and my ehhh, weakness.

You didn’t need to state a reason dude. Especially one that might be intended to rial people up

Ehh, not, if i wanted to do that you would know.

Ial leave. I think.
BEFORE i start a riot.

[Ransium]

You don't understand how Molotov cocktails work.

He doesn't understand much of anything...

Unofficial warning for flamebaiting.

He doesn't understand much of anything...

https://www.quora.com/Can-you-knock-out ... olution-56

I am done here....
My god you guys are dense!

Unofficial warniing for flaming.

[The South Falls]

I think people should be able to own muskets, at any time they want. Assault rifles should be banned, but since muskets are single shot, then people can carry those at any capacity and time they want. Same with Flintlock Pistols.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I think people should be able to own muskets, at any time they want. Assault rifles should be banned, but since muskets are single shot, then people can carry those at any capacity and time they want. Same with Flintlock Pistols.

No.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I think people should be able to own muskets, at any time they want. Assault rifles should be banned, but since muskets are single shot, then people can carry those at any capacity and time they want. Same with Flintlock Pistols.

Assault rifles are banned though.

[Wysten]

Well, i thouht that MBT,s are airtight, but ok.

Good to know.

They aren't air tight, they are water tight to a degree but generally would require additional work to be carried out to be able to ford rivers (fording kit including snorkel). While a Molotov cocktail would not be very efficient at completely knocking out a modern tank, because they are designed with that eventuality in mind, it can still have some effect. As already mentioned radios, machine gun mountings, ammo, and personnel equipment are all commonly attached or stored on the outside. This is not to mention that tank commanders like to keep their heads out because it gives them better fields of vision than staying inside. The fire and/or smoke in the engine to mobility kill a tank is rather hard and uncommon, but similar things have happened to modern tanks. Enough fire can also block the vision ports of a tank, making it harder to maneuver and fire small arms attacks definitely tends to drive away supporting infantry which makes the tanks job a lot harder.

TL;DR: Molotov Cocktails are inefficient and unlikely to get any form of kill, but can slow and degrade a tanks capabilities.

Or we could always go that one route that Japanese Commander did and just straight up take a Katana and take out the crew that way./s

[Len Hyet]

I think people should be able to own muskets, at any time they want. Assault rifles should be banned, but since muskets are single shot, then people can carry those at any capacity and time they want. Same with Flintlock Pistols.

Let's compromise. You can own as many muskets as you want, and the rest of us can own assault rifles. Deal?