Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Thermodolia]

I support this measure.

I'd support it if we got actual gun safety out of it.

That would be my plan

[Hammer Britannia]

Personally, I prefer Notiapoli's idea over Tules

Here's a compromise.

Remove all gun restrictions

In exchange, we'll super promise not to shoot people as long as they aren't a threat.

[Big Jim P]

Some time in December.

Ah, middle of summer, nice.

Exactly why I chose December.

[Sovaal]

Sounds like a first step towards a registry, thanks but no thanks.

Then what's the point in having the gun laws that already exist?

Why ban SBR's when you can get an arm brace on a handgun?
Why ban Automatic weapons when you can get slide fire stocks and trigger cranks?
Why have FFL's and prohibited persons lists when you can bypass all that on the private market?

It’s almost as if most pro gunners on here, most of all WRA, are opposed to those laws.

[quite]The 1934 NFA and the 1968 GCA are useless as they are.[/quote]
They where effectively useless to begin with.

Do you seriously think there should be no restrictions on firearms? Because that's the de-facto state of affairs in the US.
Criminals can get guns anyway? No fucking shit NRA, no thanks to you.

Not our fault the antis keep tacking nonsense onto every possible gun control bill.

[Datlofff]

Ah, middle of summer, nice.

Exactly why I chose December.

STOP DERAILING THE THREAD REEEE!!!!

[Big Jim P]

Glocks are pretty simple, but is it unreasonable to assume that they didn't know how to check the chamber?

You never, ever treat a firearms as if though it’s unloaded.

There are maybe five or six people I trust absolutely handling guns. If one of us clears a gun and immediately hands it to the other, the first thing the other does is confirm the clear. Simply no other way to do it.

[Sovaal]

Exactly why I chose December.

STOP DERAILING THE THREAD REEEE!!!!

Be careful with those reees boy. Mods’ll get yah good for ‘em.

[Datlofff]

Sounds like a first step towards a registry, thanks but no thanks.

Then what's the point in having the gun laws that already exist?

Why ban SBR's when you can get an arm brace on a handgun?
Why ban Automatic weapons when you can get slide fire stocks and trigger cranks?
Why have FFL's and prohibited persons lists when you can bypass all that on the private market?

The 1934 NFA and the 1968 GCA are useless as they are.

Do you seriously think there should be no restrictions on firearms? Because that's the de-facto state of affairs in the US.
Criminals can get guns anyway? No fucking shit NRA, no thanks to you.

1. Because SBR's have longer barrels which equals better accuracy at range.
2. Because automatic weapons with built in fire selection are actually somewhat accurate and not at all a waste of ammo like bump stocks
3. Because the private market is the private market.

4. No they aren't.

5. No restrictions on firearms besides my wallet sounds good to me. Although other ideas would work just was well
6. Well it does say "Shall not be infringed"
7. yep they can
8. The NRA has nothing to do with passing gun laws.

[Albrenia]

The NRA has nothing to do with...

Wat.

[Big Jim P]

Here is an idea. Legally require those who sell firearms, privately or through an FFL to show ID and demand a signature on a bill of sale.
Simultaneously require people to report stolen or lost firearms.

The intended purpose would be to make the 1968 GCA more enforceable. It won't end gun trafficking but it will make everyone in the chain of transfer liable.

Other gun laws could then be established at the state level, but at least you impact inter-state gun trafficking.

"We traced this gun found on a crime scene in Baltimore, you bought it at a Virginia FFL. Please explain."

"I lost it in a boating accident"

You should have reported it. You're liable.

"It was stolen"

You should have reported it. You're liable.

"I sold it to some other guy, but I didn't know he came from out of state"

You didn't ask for ID? You're liable

"I sold it to some other guy, and I asked him for ID"

Where is the bill of sale? You're liable.


You don't want more gun laws? Fine. You want to keep your gun rights? Fine.

But take some fucking gun responsibility.

We do that quite often, voluntarily, here in Texas. No need to make it mandatory.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Here is an idea. Legally require those who sell firearms, privately or through an FFL to show ID and demand a signature on a bill of sale.
Simultaneously require people to report stolen or lost firearms.

The intended purpose would be to make the 1968 GCA more enforceable. It won't end gun trafficking but it will make everyone in the chain of transfer liable.

Other gun laws could then be established at the state level, but at least you impact inter-state gun trafficking.

"We traced this gun found on a crime scene in Baltimore, you bought it at a Virginia FFL. Please explain."

"I lost it in a boating accident"

You should have reported it. You're liable.

"It was stolen"

You should have reported it. You're liable.

"I sold it to some other guy, but I didn't know he came from out of state"

You didn't ask for ID? You're liable

"I sold it to some other guy, and I asked him for ID"

Where is the bill of sale? You're liable.


You don't want more gun laws? Fine. You want to keep your gun rights? Fine.

But take some fucking gun responsibility.

We do that quite often, voluntarily, here in Texas. No need to make it mandatory.

Fun fact: people tend to be concerned when their gun is missing.

[Sovaal]

We do that quite often, voluntarily, here in Texas. No need to make it mandatory.

Fun fact: people tend to be concerned when their gun is missing.

What? Why would i report theft of my property? Nobody does that!/s

[Big Jim P]

We do that quite often, voluntarily, here in Texas. No need to make it mandatory.

Fun fact: people tend to be concerned when their gun is missing.

Hell yes! In addition to not wanting guns in criminal hands, those things are expensive.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

>Gun nuts are obsessed with their guns and extremely possessive
>Gun nuts don't report theft of their guns
Both of these can't be true.

[Big Jim P]

>Gun nuts are obsessed with their guns and extremely possessive
>Gun nuts don't report theft of their guns
Both of these can't be true.

The only people who wouldn't report a stolen gun likely don't want police attention, possibly meaning they aren't legally allowed to have the gun in the first place.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

>Gun nuts are obsessed with their guns and extremely possessive
>Gun nuts don't report theft of their guns
Both of these can't be true.

The only people who wouldn't report a stolen gun likely don't want police attention, possibly meaning they aren't legally allowed to have the gun in the first place.

Off Topic: Welcome back, Jim!

Hell missed you!

Hail Satan.

[Grinning Dragon]

Ouch, that's going to leave a much needed dent.
Sixteen Republican congressmen are asking the General Services Administration (GSA) to reevaluate a $700 billion contract with Citibank as a result of the the financial institution’s “anti-Second Amendment policies.”

[Sovaal]

The NRA has nothing to do with...

Wat.

Kitten adoptions probably.

[Telconi]

Ouch, that's going to leave a much needed dent.
Sixteen Republican congressmen are asking the General Services Administration (GSA) to reevaluate a $700 billion contract with Citibank as a result of the the financial institution’s “anti-Second Amendment policies.”

RIP Citibank?

[Farnhamia]

Exactly why I chose December.

STOP DERAILING THE THREAD REEEE!!!!

Maybe you missed the whole big megillah a little while ago about REEEEE! It's trolling. Don't do it, not even in jest, which seems to be the case here. Just don't.

[Traceynia]

>Gun nuts are obsessed with their guns and extremely possessive
>Gun nuts don't report theft of their guns
Both of these can't be true.

In my area a man left his gun in the bathroom at a local restaurant, where a homeless man found it and shot it off.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/deerfield-beach/fl-reg-florida-school-shooting-teacher-gun-restroom-20180411-story.html

[Telconi]

>Gun nuts are obsessed with their guns and extremely possessive
>Gun nuts don't report theft of their guns
Both of these can't be true.

In my area a man left his gun in the bathroom at a local restaurant, where a homeless man found it and shot it off.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/deerfield-beach/fl-reg-florida-school-shooting-teacher-gun-restroom-20180411-story.html

Dumbasses gonna dumbass?

[Traceynia]

An issue I have with civilian ownership of guns is that someone with no criminal history can legally buy weapons, and then use those weapons to commit a mass shooting. The system only has to fail one time for there to be a massacre. It's difficult for me to see we can have free civilian use of weapons and at the same time not have mass shootings.

Many of my pro-gun friends have difficulty approaching this problem. They usually resort to attacking liberal's lack of knowledge about firearms, talking about conspiracy theories about the government wanting to take their freedom, or make non-sequiturs about how gun control in other countries has not resolved 100% of all violent crime ever. Sometimes, it seems that to them that mass shootings are somehow a force of nature that simply happens, and that there is nothing that can be done about it.

My question for pro-gun people is what regulation or action do we need to take that can eliminate or severely reduce the amount of mass shootings in the United States that also preserves gun rights?

[Topoliani]

My question for pro-gun people is what regulation or action do we need to take that can eliminate or severely reduce the amount of mass shootings in the United States that also preserves gun rights?

No Regulations

Can't be any mass shootings if everyone has guns.

[Washington Resistance Army]

An issue I have with civilian ownership of guns is that someone with no criminal history can legally buy weapons, and then use those weapons to commit a mass shooting. The system only has to fail one time for there to be a massacre. It's difficult for me to see we can have free civilian use of weapons and at the same time not have mass shootings.

Many of my pro-gun friends have difficulty approaching this problem. They usually resort to attacking liberal's lack of knowledge about firearms, talking about conspiracy theories about the government wanting to take their freedom, or make non-sequiturs about how gun control in other countries has not resolved 100% of all violent crime ever. Sometimes, it seems that to them that mass shootings are somehow a force of nature that simply happens, and that there is nothing that can be done about it.

My question for pro-gun people is what regulation or action do we need to take that can eliminate or severely reduce the amount of mass shootings in the United States that also preserves gun rights?

Mass shootings aren't a large enough problem to warrant entire changes in our legislation. By all means NICS should be improved and whatnot but a few dozen deaths a year at max isn't something we should have kneejerk responses to.