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by Arengin Union » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:42 pm
by Telconi » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:42 pm
Tule wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's not that we don't want to compromise, it's that there's no real compromises being offered. We're expected to just give up more of our rights and pray they don't alter the deal down the road. Which they have and will.
Even if they do, which isn't necessarily the case (gun control is very much uncontroversial in most of Europe because people feel that the laws sthey have there work, and the tendency is for gun laws to get less strict) atleast you would be slowing down the enroachment. Not giving an inch will just make gun control advocates more aggressive.
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by Ors Might » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:43 pm
Torrocca wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sure, but you aren't a Democratic lawmaker. They haven't offered a single compromise in 20 years at this point, they just want to take more and more.
This is why we need a new political party that addresses rightly the woes of the workers on both sides of the political spectrum!
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:45 pm
Torrocca wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sure, but you aren't a Democratic lawmaker. They haven't offered a single compromise in 20 years at this point, they just want to take more and more.
This is why we need a new political party that addresses rightly the woes of the workers on both sides of the political spectrum!
by The Black Forrest » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:46 pm
whilst short barrel rifles/shotguns and suppressors get downgraded to normal Title 1 status and the Hughes amendment gets axed.
by Spirit of Hope » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:48 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bump stocks and other such devices (trigger cranks, hellfire triggers etc etc) being added to the NFA
Didn't you tell me once those are easy to make on your own?whilst short barrel rifles/shotguns and suppressors get downgraded to normal Title 1 status and the Hughes amendment gets axed.
Soooo unless I am not understanding something; that seems a rather lopsided compromise?
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by Tule » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:51 pm
Telconi wrote:Tule wrote:
Even if they do, which isn't necessarily the case (gun control is very much uncontroversial in most of Europe because people feel that the laws sthey have there work, and the tendency is for gun laws to get less strict) atleast you would be slowing down the enroachment. Not giving an inch will just make gun control advocates more aggressive.Neville Chamberlain wrote:I believe it is peace for our time.
I'd rather not be caught with my pants down like that fellow, appeasement sucks.
by Fartsniffage » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:51 pm
by Ors Might » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:51 pm
Spirit of Hope wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Didn't you tell me once those are easy to make on your own?
Soooo unless I am not understanding something; that seems a rather lopsided compromise?
Gun control advocates get something they have been demanding, while a number of things that are heavily over regulated have their regulations reduced to a more reasonable level. Seems like a great compromise, I'd be sold on such a compromise even if we only got the reduction in regulation of silencer or the removal of hughes.
by Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:53 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bump stocks and other such devices (trigger cranks, hellfire triggers etc etc) being added to the NFA
Didn't you tell me once those are easy to make on your own?whilst short barrel rifles/shotguns and suppressors get downgraded to normal Title 1 status and the Hughes amendment gets axed.
Soooo unless I am not understanding something; that seems a rather lopsided compromise?
by Telconi » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:54 pm
Tule wrote:
I live in a country where gun appeasement was the method of choice. Guns aren't banned. They are restricted certainly, but they are becoming less so over time. 5 years ago you couldn't get a suppressor. You can now. 10 years ago, you couldn't get semi-auto rifles, you can now. 30 years ago you couldn't get semi-auto or pump-action shotguns. You can now. 40 years ago you couldn't get bolt action rifles larger than .22. You can now.
by Torrocca » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:54 pm
by Wysten » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:58 pm
Telconi wrote:Tule wrote:
Even if they do, which isn't necessarily the case (gun control is very much uncontroversial in most of Europe because people feel that the laws sthey have there work, and the tendency is for gun laws to get less strict) atleast you would be slowing down the enroachment. Not giving an inch will just make gun control advocates more aggressive.Neville Chamberlain wrote:I believe it is peace for our time.
I'd rather not be caught with my pants down like that fellow, appeasement sucks.
by Tule » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:01 pm
Telconi wrote:Tule wrote:
I live in a country where gun appeasement was the method of choice. Guns aren't banned. They are restricted certainly, but they are becoming less so over time. 5 years ago you couldn't get a suppressor. You can now. 10 years ago, you couldn't get semi-auto rifles, you can now. 30 years ago you couldn't get semi-auto or pump-action shotguns. You can now. 40 years ago you couldn't get bolt action rifles larger than .22. You can now.
And I'm supposed to believe that someone like you is going to give it back after taking it? Yeah, I'll pass.
by Fartsniffage » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:03 pm
Tule wrote:Telconi wrote:
And I'm supposed to believe that someone like you is going to give it back after taking it? Yeah, I'll pass.
I don't know about the US but where I live ex post facto legislation is illegal. Guns that are still banned but were purchased when they were legal are still possessed by those who originally purchased them. I think that is fair.
by Telconi » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:03 pm
Tule wrote:Telconi wrote:
And I'm supposed to believe that someone like you is going to give it back after taking it? Yeah, I'll pass.
I don't know about the US but where I live ex post facto legislation is illegal. Guns that are still banned but were purchased when they were legal are still possessed by those who originally purchased them. I think that is fair.
by Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:03 pm
Tule wrote:Telconi wrote:
And I'm supposed to believe that someone like you is going to give it back after taking it? Yeah, I'll pass.
I don't know about the US but where I live ex post facto legislation is illegal. Guns that are still banned but were purchased when they were legal are still possessed by those who originally purchased them. I think that is fair.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:03 pm
by Fartsniffage » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:04 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Everytime I have a gun control debate here it goes exactly like this:
>Some tool runs around shooting people
> I and other gun control advocates go "We need to do something to prevent this happening again!"
> People on the other side shut down any idea we come up with
> Nothing ends up happening, just a lot of noise that does nothing
> Repeat process ad infinitum
by Telconi » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:05 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Everytime I have a gun control debate here it goes exactly like this:
>Some tool runs around shooting people
> I and other gun control advocates go "We need to do something to prevent this happening again!"
> People on the other side shut down any idea we come up with
> Nothing ends up happening, just a lot of noise that does nothing
> Repeat process ad infinitum
by Torrocca » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:05 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Everytime I have a gun control debate here it goes exactly like this:
>Some tool runs around shooting people
> I and other gun control advocates go "We need to do something to prevent this happening again!"
> People on the other side shut down any idea we come up with
> Nothing ends up happening, just a lot of noise that does nothing
> Repeat process ad infinitum
by Albrenia » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:05 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Everytime I have a gun control debate here it goes exactly like this:
>Some tool runs around shooting people
> I and other gun control advocates go "We need to do something to prevent this happening again!"
> People on the other side shut down any idea we come up with
> Nothing ends up happening, just a lot of noise that does nothing
> Repeat process ad infinitum
by Valgora » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:06 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Everytime I have a gun control debate here it goes exactly like this:
>Some tool runs around shooting people
> I and other gun control advocates go "We need to do something to prevent this happening again!"
> People on the other side shut down any idea we come up with
> Nothing ends up happening, just a lot of noise that does nothing
> Repeat process ad infinitum
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by Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:07 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sure, but you aren't a Democratic lawmaker. They haven't offered a single compromise in 20 years at this point, they just want to take more and more.
Manchin-Toomey 2013.
A ban on a central gun registry, including up to 15 years in prison for anyone attempting to centralise gun records. Expansion on interstate sales to include hand guns via licensed sellers. Military members able to buy guns in their home state as well as the state they're stationed in Liability shield to private sellers who sell to a person who passed a background check. Increased funding for the NICS. A reduction in waiting times before a seller can complete a transfer in the event the check with NICS is taking time. A commission to study the causes of gun violence including mental health, guns, school safety and portrayals of violence in the media.
All to require background checks on all sales at gun shows and over the internet.
Seems like quite a compromise to me....
by Albrenia » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:07 pm
Valgora wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Everytime I have a gun control debate here it goes exactly like this:
>Some tool runs around shooting people
> I and other gun control advocates go "We need to do something to prevent this happening again!"
> People on the other side shut down any idea we come up with
> Nothing ends up happening, just a lot of noise that does nothing
> Repeat process ad infinitum
Actually it's more like:
Gun control advocates ignore any logical and rational idea that would help prevent mass shootings because it doesn't involve banning firearms or taking away people's rights.
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