Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Saiwania]

Time for the pro-gun side to boo him from the top of your lungs. An ex-SCOTUS Justice has now formally come out in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opin ... dment.html

Even the gun control I propose, doesn't go that far, but if that winds up happening because the pro-gun side overreached too much with their insistence that they have unfettered access to any and all types of firearms, -then so be it.

[Telconi]

Time for the pro-gun side to boo him from the top of your lungs. An ex-SCOTUS Justice has now formally come out in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opin ... dment.html

Even the gun control I propose, doesn't go that far, but if that winds up happening because the pro-gun side overreached too much with their insistence and they have unfettered access to any type of firearm, -then so be it.

Why do you hate Ametica?

Oh, that's right, because there's brown people here...

[The Black Forrest]

Tbqh I'd actually do this in a heartbeat if Hughes was removed.

Actual compromises aren't allowed. Only demands called compromises.

Compromise? What exactly do you want for a compromise?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Time for the pro-gun side to boo him from the top of your lungs. An ex-SCOTUS Justice has now formally come out in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opin ... dment.html

Even the gun control I propose, doesn't go that far, but if that winds up happening because the pro-gun side overreached too much with their insistence that they have unfettered access to any and all types of firearms, -then so be it.

Stevens always was anti-gun and regularly ruled as such when he was on the court. This isn't news.

[The Black Forrest]

Time for the pro-gun side to boo him from the top of your lungs. An ex-SCOTUS Justice has now formally come out in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opin ... dment.html

Even the gun control I propose, doesn't go that far, but if that winds up happening because the pro-gun side overreached too much with their insistence and they have unfettered access to any type of firearm, -then so be it.

Why do you hate Ametica?

Oh, that's right, because there's brown people here...

[Telconi]

Actual compromises aren't allowed. Only demands called compromises.

Compromise? What exactly do you want for a compromise?

I don't think it matters honestly...

[Washington Resistance Army]

Actual compromises aren't allowed. Only demands called compromises.

Compromise? What exactly do you want for a compromise?

Bump stocks and other such devices (trigger cranks, hellfire triggers etc etc) being added to the NFA whilst short barrel rifles/shotguns and suppressors get downgraded to normal Title 1 status and the Hughes amendment gets axed.

[Spirit of Hope]

Compromise? What exactly do you want for a compromise?

Bump stocks and other such devices (trigger cranks, hellfire triggers etc etc) being added to the NFA whilst short barrel rifles/shotguns and suppressors get downgraded to normal Title 1 status and the Hughes amendment gets axed.

Honestly I'd be ok with bump stocks going on there for either downgrading silencers or getting ride of Hughes. Either way it would really shake up the industry in a good way at the cost of a silly novelty.

[Tule]

Tbqh I'd actually do this in a heartbeat if Hughes was removed.

Actual compromises aren't allowed. Only demands called compromises.

If you don't compromise, people will just grow more and more enraged until they themselves no longer talk about compromises and push through draconian measures with no regards to gun owners. A lot of Americans are literally afraid for their lives.

Gun owners are rapidly becoming like the elite in Tsarist Russia. Give them something before they take everything.

Personally I think a lot of the demands made by US gun control groups are silly, and I think you guys have plenty of space for reasonable compromise, like unrestricted suppressors in exchange for longer waiting periods for handguns or something. But you have to make the first step and take control of the discussion.

[Saiwania]

Stevens always was anti-gun and regularly ruled as such when he was on the court. This isn't news.

He was anti-gun, but presumably never went so far until now- as to want the 2nd amendment rights gone entirely. I'm certainly not in favor of ordinary rifles and shotguns being banned from civilian ownership. I consent to stricter licensing or access requirements for all manner of handguns, because it can be concealed too easily and statistically speaking, is used for crime the most out of all firearm types.

At least with a long gun, you can see it ahead of time and has more of a hunting or sport utility.

[Telconi]

Actual compromises aren't allowed. Only demands called compromises.

If you don't compromise, people will just grow more and more enraged until they themselves no longer talk about compromises and push through draconian measures with no regards to gun owners. A lot of Americans are literally afraid for their lives.

Gun owners are rapidly becoming like the elite in Tsarist Russia. Give them something before they take everything.

They already don't talk about compromise and want to take everything. I have no motivation to give them a damn thing.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Actual compromises aren't allowed. Only demands called compromises.

If you don't compromise, people will just grow more and more enraged until they themselves no longer talk about compromises and push through draconian measures with no regards to gun owners. A lot of Americans are literally afraid for their lives.

Gun owners are rapidly becoming like the elite in Tsarist Russia. Give them something before they take everything.

It's not that we don't want to compromise, it's that there's no real compromises being offered. We're expected to just give up more of our rights and pray they don't alter the deal down the road. Which they have and will.

[Len Hyet]

Why do you hate Ametica?

Oh, that's right, because there's brown people here...

Saiwania is a self-described white nationalist.

[Ors Might]

Actual compromises aren't allowed. Only demands called compromises.

If you don't compromise, people will just grow more and more enraged until they themselves no longer talk about compromises and push through draconian measures with no regards to gun owners. A lot of Americans are literally afraid for their lives.

Gun owners are rapidly becoming like the elite in Tsarist Russia. Give them something before they take everything.

Personally I think a lot of the demands made by US gun control groups are silly, and I think you guys have plenty of space for reasonable compromise, like unrestricted suppressors in exchange for longer waiting periods for handguns or something. But you have to make the first step and take control of the discussion.

But we have made compromises. The problem is gun control activists never remembering that they were compromises and insist on more.

[Torrocca]

If you don't compromise, people will just grow more and more enraged until they themselves no longer talk about compromises and push through draconian measures with no regards to gun owners. A lot of Americans are literally afraid for their lives.

Gun owners are rapidly becoming like the elite in Tsarist Russia. Give them something before they take everything.

It's not that we don't want to compromise, it's that there's no real compromises being offered. We're expected to just give up more of our rights and pray they don't alter the deal down the road. Which they have and will.

Hey now, I offered the compromise of focusing on the core issues instead of stealing guns!

[Tule]

If you don't compromise, people will just grow more and more enraged until they themselves no longer talk about compromises and push through draconian measures with no regards to gun owners. A lot of Americans are literally afraid for their lives.

Gun owners are rapidly becoming like the elite in Tsarist Russia. Give them something before they take everything.

It's not that we don't want to compromise, it's that there's no real compromises being offered. We're expected to just give up more of our rights and pray they don't alter the deal down the road. Which they have and will.

Even if they do, which isn't necessarily the case (gun control is very much uncontroversial in most of Europe because people feel that the laws sthey have there work, and the tendency is for gun laws to get less strict) atleast you would be slowing down the enroachment. Not giving an inch will just make gun control advocates more aggressive.

[Valgora]

If you don't compromise, people will just grow more and more enraged until they themselves no longer talk about compromises and push through draconian measures with no regards to gun owners. A lot of Americans are literally afraid for their lives.

Gun owners are rapidly becoming like the elite in Tsarist Russia. Give them something before they take everything.

They already don't talk about compromise and want to take everything. I have no motivation to give them a damn thing.

I do have to agree.
I have never heard a gun grabber offer any compromise. And banning "assault weapons" ain't a compromise. Same with raising the age to buy rifles and shotguns to 21.

[Len Hyet]

Previously, on Gun Control.

Part I, Part II

Is this thread going to have a poll?

I demand a poll.

You're welcome.

Also, not changing the name. The name is funny damn it.

[Ors Might]

It's not that we don't want to compromise, it's that there's no real compromises being offered. We're expected to just give up more of our rights and pray they don't alter the deal down the road. Which they have and will.

Hey now, I offered the compromise of focusing on the core issues instead of stealing guns!

Shush comrade, you don’t count. You understand the importance of armed workers.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's not that we don't want to compromise, it's that there's no real compromises being offered. We're expected to just give up more of our rights and pray they don't alter the deal down the road. Which they have and will.

Hey now, I offered the compromise of focusing on the core issues instead of stealing guns!

Sure, but you aren't a Democratic lawmaker. They haven't offered a single compromise in 20 years at this point, they just want to take more and more.

[The Black Forrest]

I am cautiously pro gun-control.
I am for people's right to bear arms, but also for gun control and limiting those with mental health issues having it.
I'd personally try to find a way to balance freedom and safety, because as a famous man once said:
"Those who would trade liberty for safety deserve neither."

That was Franklin and it was "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.


He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania general assembly and the Penn family. They wanted to tax their lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian war. The Penns instructed the governor to veto. Franklin didn't like that as it was an affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. He meant a literally meant a purchase a little temporary safety. The Penns were trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the admission the legislature didn't have the authority to tax it.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-ben-fr ... eally-said

http://franklinpapers.org/franklin/fram ... &page=238a

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/39024503 ... st-century

https://founders.archives.gov/documents ... 06-02-0107

[Valgora]

It's not that we don't want to compromise, it's that there's no real compromises being offered. We're expected to just give up more of our rights and pray they don't alter the deal down the road. Which they have and will.

Hey now, I offered the compromise of focusing on the core issues instead of stealing guns!

And for some reason, gun grabbers love to ignore any logical and reasonable solution.

[The Black Forrest]

Saiwania is a self-described white nationalist.

Ohhhhhh got it. Thanks.

[Torrocca]

Hey now, I offered the compromise of focusing on the core issues instead of stealing guns!

Sure, but you aren't a Democratic lawmaker. They haven't offered a single compromise in 20 years at this point, they just want to take more and more.

This is why we need a new political party that addresses rightly the woes of the workers on both sides of the political spectrum!

[Albrenia]

I approve of the poll and its entirely reasonable options.

Only a few pages in and we've already had our first 'no compromise' speeches. Good times.