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Gun Control n Stuff - Only 2 Options Pick Carefully

If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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The Emerald Legion
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:57 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
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And this matters because? If they've acknowledged this and said "I don't care." that means they probably aren't going to listen when the courts tell them to stop arresting ATF officers. Authority only works when people acknowledge it. When unacknowledged it doesn't exist.

The Bill outright says it doesn't believe the federal governemnt has the authority to create or enforce such laws, that they are unconstitutional, and then goes on to nullify them within the state of Missouri, as unconstitutional.

And when Missouri law enforcement starts arresting ATF agents, the US Marshals come to arrest them.


Unlikely. More likely it will go to court.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:01 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:And when Missouri law enforcement starts arresting ATF agents, the US Marshals come to arrest them.

And then it becomes a supreme court case as to whether or not the ATF is constitutional.

Pass the popcorn, this is going to hit NSG levels of silly.

Yes, this will be interesting to watch.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:03 am

Missouri isn't actually going to arrest any ATF agents, it's just a giant middle finger and little more. The more interesting bit comes in how people in the state will respond and if MO is going to prevent local law enforcement from helping the feds.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:10 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Missouri isn't actually going to arrest any ATF agents, it's just a giant middle finger and little more. The more interesting bit comes in how people in the state will respond and if MO is going to prevent local law enforcement from helping the feds.


If the law goes into force they won't have a choice. It's instant loss of your job not to actively hinder the feds on gun control according to the bill. That goes for both politicians and LEOs.

Also bars them from ever serving political office or as a LEO ever again in the state.
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Postby Shanhwa » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:53 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Missouri isn't actually going to arrest any ATF agents, it's just a giant middle finger and little more. The more interesting bit comes in how people in the state will respond and if MO is going to prevent local law enforcement from helping the feds.


If the law goes into force they won't have a choice. It's instant loss of your job not to actively hinder the feds on gun control according to the bill. That goes for both politicians and LEOs.

Also bars them from ever serving political office or as a LEO ever again in the state.


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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Missouri isn't actually going to arrest any ATF agents, it's just a giant middle finger and little more. The more interesting bit comes in how people in the state will respond and if MO is going to prevent local law enforcement from helping the feds.

California: We defy the Feds more than any other state.

Missouri: Hold my beer.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:50 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Missouri isn't actually going to arrest any ATF agents, it's just a giant middle finger and little more. The more interesting bit comes in how people in the state will respond and if MO is going to prevent local law enforcement from helping the feds.

California: We defy the Feds more than any other state.

Missouri: Hold my beer.


I wonder how quickly Democrats are going to flip on the whole Federal non-compliance thing now.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:26 pm

Telconi wrote:
Yusseria wrote:California: We defy the Feds more than any other state.

Missouri: Hold my beer.


I wonder how quickly Democrats are going to flip on the whole Federal non-compliance thing now.

They'll double-down and request Missouri hold their wine-glass.

Northern Midwest: Hold my schnapps.
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
Yusseria wrote:California: We defy the Feds more than any other state.

Missouri: Hold my beer.


I wonder how quickly Democrats are going to flip on the whole Federal non-compliance thing now.

They already flipped out when a few conservative states didn't want to give into the Obama admin's demands regarding Obamacare.

They only ever care about federalism when it's convenient. They shouldn't be taken seriously with things like this.
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Postby Arengin Union » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:35 pm

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Postby Telconi » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:57 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I wonder how quickly Democrats are going to flip on the whole Federal non-compliance thing now.

They already flipped out when a few conservative states didn't want to give into the Obama admin's demands regarding Obamacare.

They only ever care about federalism when it's convenient. They shouldn't be taken seriously with things like this.


Should they be taken seriously with any things?
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:58 pm

Telconi wrote:
Yusseria wrote:They already flipped out when a few conservative states didn't want to give into the Obama admin's demands regarding Obamacare.

They only ever care about federalism when it's convenient. They shouldn't be taken seriously with things like this.


Should they be taken seriously with any things?

Fair point.
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Postby Aclion » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:47 am

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:14 am

Aclion wrote:
Arengin Union wrote:

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Now we need one for "When a mass-murdering terrorist wants to restrict personal liberty, sow racial division, and accelerate political conflict, and you give him what he wants".
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Postby Aclion » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:17 am

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Aclion wrote:Image

Now we need one for "When a mass-murdering terrorist wants to restrict personal liberty, sow racial division, and accelerate political conflict, and you give him what he wants".

I mean that's basically what mine is.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:18 am

BREAKING: Illinois Judge Permanently Blocks Deerfield’s ‘Assault Weapon’ and Magazine Possession Bans Good!

BREAKING: US District Court Strikes Down New York’s Ban on TASERs and Stun Guns Good!

BREAKING: 10th Circuit Grants Utah Gun Owner a Temporary Stay in Bump Stock Ban Only applied to one individual, meh.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:25 am


*insert loud applause here* Another win for liberty!
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Postby Yusseria » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:48 am


>assault weapons

Each time I see this term I have a mini stroke.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:53 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:*insert loud applause here* Another win for liberty!

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That is an awesome picture. And yes, freedom rings.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:53 am



I just roll my eyes at it and laugh at the stupidity of the made up political classification. The same with gun-crime, gun-murder, gun-violence, illegal gun, etc. They are all just as equally stupid and nonsensical terms.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:10 pm



Tasers and stun guns were banned in New York? Jesus fuck dude, is it legal to even breath there?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:13 pm


NY state govt is father, NY state govt is mother, the nanny knows best.
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Postby Yusseria » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:17 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Tasers and stun guns were banned in New York? Jesus fuck dude, is it legal to even breath there?

NY state govt is father, NY state govt is mother, the nanny knows best.

This is what you get when you elect two generations of Cuomos.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:51 pm



Unfortunately.
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