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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:00 pm

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So perhaps counter actual points people made instead of beating up straw men?


I was actually trying to move the conversation a little. Adults do dumb thinks with firearms. Adults do the same things with firearms and it's considered okay. In the video being discussed the pistol was unloaded and the magazine was being held in the hand of the person having the pistol put to their head. It might have looked stupid but the two guys knew what they were doing.

But I notice you've still not answered the question. Are you okay with children buying firearms after you accepted that they have issues understanding cause and effect?


Knowingly committing a stupid act doesn't make it not stupid.

Define 'children'
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:04 pm

Telconi wrote:
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I was actually trying to move the conversation a little. Adults do dumb thinks with firearms. Adults do the same things with firearms and it's considered okay. In the video being discussed the pistol was unloaded and the magazine was being held in the hand of the person having the pistol put to their head. It might have looked stupid but the two guys knew what they were doing.

But I notice you've still not answered the question. Are you okay with children buying firearms after you accepted that they have issues understanding cause and effect?


Knowingly committing a stupid act doesn't make it not stupid.

Define 'children'


So you consider military training stupid?

The point at which the human brain fully connects cause and consequence is in the early 20's. I would say it's about then.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:04 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I'm confused, was the above situation a military exercise and not people being fucking idiots?

Strangest military exercise I've ever seen...

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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:04 pm

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I don't see the relevance here...


During training one constantly points rifles at other people. Section attack drills, things like that. And your rifle is usually not unloaded, blanks make the situation much more realistic.

The adults in the video knew the pistol was unloaded. It was very poor gun control but suggestion that no one should ever point a gun at another person is just silly.


That might fly In the UK perhaps, not in the USMC. Muzzle awareness is stressed considerably, even when the weapon is unloaded. You do not fuck around like those guys were.

Yes, we do simmunition training with simmunition rounds, but those are fired from special rifle platforms. And even then, we stress muzzle awareness when not in the actual motions of the excercise.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:07 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Knowingly committing a stupid act doesn't make it not stupid.

Define 'children'


So you consider military training stupid?

The point at which the human brain fully connects cause and consequence is in the early 20's. I would say it's about then.

That is some Gauth-level strawmanning there...
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:09 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you consider military training stupid?

The point at which the human brain fully connects cause and consequence is in the early 20's. I would say it's about then.

That is some Gauth-level strawmanning there...


How so?

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:11 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:That is some Gauth-level strawmanning there...


How so?

Because Telconi said nothing about military training being stupid, and you damn well know it.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:11 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Knowingly committing a stupid act doesn't make it not stupid.

Define 'children'


So you consider military training stupid?

The point at which the human brain fully connects cause and consequence is in the early 20's. I would say it's about then.


Men taking selfies at a shooting range while pointing a gun at one another's heads is not "military training"

Then yes.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:12 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
During training one constantly points rifles at other people. Section attack drills, things like that. And your rifle is usually not unloaded, blanks make the situation much more realistic.

The adults in the video knew the pistol was unloaded. It was very poor gun control but suggestion that no one should ever point a gun at another person is just silly.


That might fly In the UK perhaps, not in the USMC. Muzzle awareness is stressed considerably, even when the weapon is unloaded. You do not fuck around like those guys were.

Yes, we do simmunition training with simmunition rounds, but those are fired from special rifle platforms. And even then, we stress muzzle awareness when not in the actual motions of the excercise.

Relevant Weapon safety rules: 1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. 2. Never point the weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot.


I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:14 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
How so?

Because Telconi said nothing about military training being stupid, and you damn well know it.


Context is a thing.

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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
That might fly In the UK perhaps, not in the USMC. Muzzle awareness is stressed considerably, even when the weapon is unloaded. You do not fuck around like those guys were.

Yes, we do simmunition training with simmunition rounds, but those are fired from special rifle platforms. And even then, we stress muzzle awareness when not in the actual motions of the excercise.

Relevant Weapon safety rules: 1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. 2. Never point the weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot.


I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.


There’s also BFA’s which allow the conversion of a weapon to fire blanks, which gets integrated into MILES gear. It sucks to use, (weighs like 30 pounds) but good for maneuvers over considerable distance. But for MOUT we use simmunition, 9mm paint rounds.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
That might fly In the UK perhaps, not in the USMC. Muzzle awareness is stressed considerably, even when the weapon is unloaded. You do not fuck around like those guys were.

Yes, we do simmunition training with simmunition rounds, but those are fired from special rifle platforms. And even then, we stress muzzle awareness when not in the actual motions of the excercise.

Relevant Weapon safety rules: 1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. 2. Never point the weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot.


I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.


So it's okay to point a weapon at someone if you have a BFA but otherwise it's insane and dangerous?

It's almost like there is a double standard and sometimes it's okay to point a weapon at people.......

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:17 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Because Telconi said nothing about military training being stupid, and you damn well know it.


Context is a thing.

Is the context here a military exercise and not being a fucking idiot?
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:21 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
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I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.


So it's okay to point a weapon at someone if you have a BFA but otherwise it's insane and dangerous?

It's almost like there is a double standard and sometimes it's okay to point a weapon at people.......


Are all Brits this bad, or are you specifically bad at comprehending written words?

>Separate
>Blank Firing
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:21 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Context is a thing.

Is the context here a military exercise and not being a fucking idiot?


No. The context here is whether children should be allowed to buy firearms.

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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:22 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.


So it's okay to point a weapon at someone if you have a BFA but otherwise it's insane and dangerous?

It's almost like there is a double standard and sometimes it's okay to point a weapon at people.......


You can keep ignoring me, but you’re wrong. A weapon should only, and I mean ONLY be pointed at a person when you’re prepared to shoot said person. I.e combat or in combat training maneuvers with MILES/Simmuntion. If you are not in the middle of said things you do not point the weapon at some one, and you definitely don’t fuck around with it like they were. That’s how people get killed.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:22 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Is the context here a military exercise and not being a fucking idiot?


No. The context here is whether children should be allowed to buy firearms.

And what the fuck do military exercises and pointing guns at people have to do with that?
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Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So it's okay to point a weapon at someone if you have a BFA but otherwise it's insane and dangerous?

It's almost like there is a double standard and sometimes it's okay to point a weapon at people.......


Are all bits this bad, or are you specifically bad at comprehending written words?

>Separate
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The only reason the British Army uses BFAs is that they won't cycle properly using blanks without. You know that? Right?

And getting "shot" with a blank at close range fucking sucks?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:27 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
No. The context here is whether children should be allowed to buy firearms.

And what the fuck do military exercises and pointing guns at people have to do with that?


You should ask The Two Jerseys about that. He brought it up....

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:29 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I was going to say, I've always had separate blank firing weapons for simulated fire training.


So it's okay to point a weapon at someone if you have a BFA but otherwise it's insane and dangerous?

It's almost like there is a double standard and sometimes it's okay to point a weapon at people.......

That's as retarded as saying that allowing people to drive fast on racetracks and banning them from driving fast on public roads is a double standard.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:29 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:And what the fuck do military exercises and pointing guns at people have to do with that?


You should ask The Two Jerseys about that. He brought it up....

No, you brought up the military exercises in some inane attempt at shooting down a general statement.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:30 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:And what the fuck do military exercises and pointing guns at people have to do with that?


You should ask The Two Jerseys about that. He brought it up....

Actually, you're the one who brought up that children can't be trusted with guns because 15-year old you fucked up once...
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:30 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Are all bits this bad, or are you specifically bad at comprehending written words?

>Separate
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>Weapons


The only reason the British Army uses BFAs is that they won't cycle properly using blanks without. You know that? Right?

And getting "shot" with a blank at close range fucking sucks?


Sure, doesn't change the fact that you don't need to use live capable arms.

Not with a blank gun.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:33 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You should ask The Two Jerseys about that. He brought it up....

No, you brought up the military exercises in some inane attempt at shooting down a general statement.


No you.

I was talking about children being allowed to buy firearms. The Two Jerseys brought up the adults in Texas.

I'm still of the opinion that children shouldn't be allowed to buy guns. What is your opinion on that?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:34 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:No, you brought up the military exercises in some inane attempt at shooting down a general statement.


No you.

I was talking about children being allowed to buy firearms. The Two Jerseys brought up the adults in Texas.

I'm still of the opinion that children shouldn't be allowed to buy guns. What is your opinion on that?

Only if they are in the militia.
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