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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:59 pm

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Kowani wrote:How old are these children? I wouldn’t trust 5 year old me with a big stick, much less a firearm.


I started shooting around five or so.

I started around 8.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:05 pm

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I started shooting around five or so.

I started around 8.

The fact that neither of you started shooting while in the womb brings shame to gun owners everywhere
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:06 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
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I started shooting around five or so.

I started around 8.


I started around age 33. :(
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:08 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I started around 8.

The fact that neither of you started shooting while in the womb brings shame to gun owners everywhere

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Northern Davincia wrote:I started around 8.


I started around age 33. :(

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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:09 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Kowani wrote:How old are these children? I wouldn’t trust 5 year old me with a big stick, much less a firearm.


I started shooting around five or so.


Same. I also think trust is more specific to the individual, there was nothing wrong with five year old me operating a firearm, and yet there are grown ass adults I wouldn't trust with one.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:19 pm

Telconi wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I started shooting around five or so.


Same. I also think trust is more specific to the individual, there was nothing wrong with five year old me operating a firearm, and yet there are grown ass adults I wouldn't trust with one.


I started at age 12. At age 15 I had a negligent discharge while on a range and under command. I was distracted thinking about exams and I fired an aimed round before the order to fire was given.

People fuck up. Children fuck up far more frequently than adults. Their brain doesn't fully link action and consequence. It's why we don't tend to leave children alone without adult supervision.

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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:14 pm

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Telconi wrote:
Same. I also think trust is more specific to the individual, there was nothing wrong with five year old me operating a firearm, and yet there are grown ass adults I wouldn't trust with one.


I started at age 12. At age 15 I had a negligent discharge while on a range and under command. I was distracted thinking about exams and I fired an aimed round before the order to fire was given.

People fuck up. Children fuck up far more frequently than adults. Their brain doesn't fully link action and consequence. It's why we don't tend to leave children alone without adult supervision.


Okay? I am not you, neither is my child, or any other young shooter I'll be supervising.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I started at age 12. At age 15 I had a negligent discharge while on a range and under command. I was distracted thinking about exams and I fired an aimed round before the order to fire was given.

People fuck up. Children fuck up far more frequently than adults. Their brain doesn't fully link action and consequence. It's why we don't tend to leave children alone without adult supervision.


Okay? I am not you, neither is my child, or any other young shooter I'll be supervising.


People fuck up. Children fuck up far more frequently than adults. Their brain doesn't fully link action and consequence. It's why we don't tend to leave children alone without adult supervision.

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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:17 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Okay? I am not you, neither is my child, or any other young shooter I'll be supervising.


People fuck up. Children fuck up far more frequently than adults. Their brain doesn't fully link action and consequence. It's why we don't tend to leave children alone without adult supervision.


Okay?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:20 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Same. I also think trust is more specific to the individual, there was nothing wrong with five year old me operating a firearm, and yet there are grown ass adults I wouldn't trust with one.


I started at age 12. At age 15 I had a negligent discharge while on a range and under command. I was distracted thinking about exams and I fired an aimed round before the order to fire was given.

People fuck up. Children fuck up far more frequently than adults. Their brain doesn't fully link action and consequence. It's why we don't tend to leave children alone without adult supervision.

And judging by that fuckwad who got banned from a gun range in Texas because he thought it would be hilarious to take a selfie of him pointing a handgun at his friend's head, the adult brain doesn't fully link action and consequence, and it's a good thing that they had an instructor supervising them to stop him before something bad happened.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:


Okay?


Given that you accept that children don't process information in the same way adults do. Should children be able to purchase firearms?

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:25 pm

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Given that you accept that children don't process information in the same way adults do. Should children be able to purchase firearms?

Well, I believe one is no longer a child at 18.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:28 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
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I started at age 12. At age 15 I had a negligent discharge while on a range and under command. I was distracted thinking about exams and I fired an aimed round before the order to fire was given.

People fuck up. Children fuck up far more frequently than adults. Their brain doesn't fully link action and consequence. It's why we don't tend to leave children alone without adult supervision.

And judging by that fuckwad who got banned from a gun range in Texas because he thought it would be hilarious to take a selfie of him pointing a handgun at his friend's head, the adult brain doesn't fully link action and consequence, and it's a good thing that they had an instructor supervising them to stop him before something bad happened.


Have you ever served in the military?

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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:30 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:And judging by that fuckwad who got banned from a gun range in Texas because he thought it would be hilarious to take a selfie of him pointing a handgun at his friend's head, the adult brain doesn't fully link action and consequence, and it's a good thing that they had an instructor supervising them to stop him before something bad happened.


Have you ever served in the military?


I don't see the relevance here...
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:32 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:And judging by that fuckwad who got banned from a gun range in Texas because he thought it would be hilarious to take a selfie of him pointing a handgun at his friend's head, the adult brain doesn't fully link action and consequence, and it's a good thing that they had an instructor supervising them to stop him before something bad happened.


Have you ever served in the military?

Objection, relevance.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:34 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:And judging by that fuckwad who got banned from a gun range in Texas because he thought it would be hilarious to take a selfie of him pointing a handgun at his friend's head, the adult brain doesn't fully link action and consequence, and it's a good thing that they had an instructor supervising them to stop him before something bad happened.



Have you ever served in the military?


I was a weapons trainer for the USMC. What’s the question?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:35 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Have you ever served in the military?


I don't see the relevance here...


During training one constantly points rifles at other people. Section attack drills, things like that. And your rifle is usually not unloaded, blanks make the situation much more realistic.

The adults in the video knew the pistol was unloaded. It was very poor gun control but suggestion that no one should ever point a gun at another person is just silly.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:41 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't see the relevance here...


During training one constantly points rifles at other people. Section attack drills, things like that. And your rifle is usually not unloaded, blanks make the situation much more realistic.

The adults in the video knew the pistol was unloaded. It was very poor gun control but suggestion that no one should ever point a gun at another person is just silly.

I'm confused, was the above situation a military exercise and not people being fucking idiots?
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:41 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't see the relevance here...


During training one constantly points rifles at other people. Section attack drills, things like that. And your rifle is usually not unloaded, blanks make the situation much more realistic.

The adults in the video knew the pistol was unloaded. It was very poor gun control but suggestion that no one should ever point a gun at another person is just silly.


And it would be a relevant objection when someone made such a suggestion.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
During training one constantly points rifles at other people. Section attack drills, things like that. And your rifle is usually not unloaded, blanks make the situation much more realistic.

The adults in the video knew the pistol was unloaded. It was very poor gun control but suggestion that no one should ever point a gun at another person is just silly.


And it would be a relevant objection when someone made such a suggestion.


Okay?

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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:46 pm

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Telconi wrote:
And it would be a relevant objection when someone made such a suggestion.


Okay?


So perhaps counter actual points people made instead of beating up straw men?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:48 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
During training one constantly points rifles at other people. Section attack drills, things like that. And your rifle is usually not unloaded, blanks make the situation much more realistic.

The adults in the video knew the pistol was unloaded. It was very poor gun control but suggestion that no one should ever point a gun at another person is just silly.

I'm confused, was the above situation a military exercise and not people being fucking idiots?

Strangest military exercise I've ever seen...
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:54 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Okay?


So perhaps counter actual points people made instead of beating up straw men?


I was actually trying to move the conversation a little. Adults do dumb thinks with firearms. Adults do the same things with firearms and it's considered okay. In the video being discussed the pistol was unloaded and the magazine was being held in the hand of the person having the pistol put to their head. It might have looked stupid but the two guys knew what they were doing.

But I notice you've still not answered the question. Are you okay with children buying firearms after you accepted that they have issues understanding cause and effect?

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:58 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So perhaps counter actual points people made instead of beating up straw men?


I was actually trying to move the conversation a little. Adults do dumb thinks with firearms. Adults do the same things with firearms and it's considered okay. In the video being discussed the pistol was unloaded and the magazine was being held in the hand of the person having the pistol put to their head. It might have looked stupid but the two guys knew what they were doing.

But I notice you've still not answered the question. Are you okay with children buying firearms after you accepted that they have issues understanding cause and effect?

Clearly the didn't know what they were doing if they got banned from the range...
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:00 pm

I shot a gun in 6th grade middle school.

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