Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Get rid of the idea of a 'prohibited person.' Unless you are on probation I don't see any reason not to allow an adult who isn't in a prison or mental institution access to firearms

I'm of the same thought. If a person has been released from prison and carried out their sentence, that person should get their full rights back, otherwise, why is said dangerous person being allowed to walk around like a free person. Same with those who are released from mental institutions.

How is it constitutional to restrict the rights of people who aren't in custody anyway?

[Astokie]

And to say that guns are not needed anymore is foolish they american people will not give those aholes their guns just because the dems said so. If you mess with the average american just trying to live his/her life who works hard to feed their families, and only come home just to people look through their home to take what is rightfully theirs there will be bloodshed.

[Grinning Dragon]

I'm of the same thought. If a person has been released from prison and carried out their sentence, that person should get their full rights back, otherwise, why is said dangerous person being allowed to walk around like a free person. Same with those who are released from mental institutions.

How is it constitutional to restrict the rights of people who aren't in custody anyway?

If I remember correctly, I believe it was explained to me that it is in the 14th Amendment.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF LAW; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Since said person was afforded their due process then served out said sentence, those rights that were restricted can remain restricted until said person asks for a hearing to have more rights restored.
I've always been of the theory that a person's rights were suspended until the sentence is completed.

[Astokie]

The dems want america disarmed and weakend

[Crockerland]

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

There is no "gun show loophole" and it's laughable to suggest otherwise. It's like saying me owning a bolt action rifle is a loophole in the anti-machine gun law.

[Telconi]

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

There is no "gun show loophole" and it's laughable to suggest otherwise. It's like saying me owning a bolt action rifle is a loophole in the anti-machine gun law.

Dishonesty and gun grabbing go hand in hand.

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Gang members are more likely to vote Democrat?

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

That is an incredibly silly delusion of persecution.

[Telconi]

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

That is an incredibly silly delusion of persecution.

Delusions by definition are false.

[Diopolis]

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

Then why does the main thrust of gun control in this country seem to be about banning a specific kind of rifle no different than any other semiautomatic rifle?

[Grinning Dragon]

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

Then why does the main thrust of gun control in this country seem to be about banning a specific kind of rifle no different than any other semiautomatic rifle?

Apparently, the looks of an item determine lethality, not function, not caliber size and the belief that firearms are suppose to look and remain the same design they did 100yrs ago

[Chan Island]

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

Then why does the main thrust of gun control in this country seem to be about banning a specific kind of rifle no different than any other semiautomatic rifle?

Because that specific model was used in multiple very high profile mass shootings?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Liberals. Not leftists. Marx himself advocated arming workers for fucks sake.

Which is the one thing I could agree with a communist on.

So I suppose we both have a common enemy with the gun-grabbers.

[Grinning Dragon]

Then why does the main thrust of gun control in this country seem to be about banning a specific kind of rifle no different than any other semiautomatic rifle?

Because that specific model was used in multiple very high profile mass shootings?

Well, morons did throw the MCX into the same category as an AR platform rifle.
Also those specific models are owned by how many people that haven't been used in a criminal act? Is it really logical to get rid of something based on an insignificant percentage?

[Diopolis]

Then why does the main thrust of gun controlR in this country seem to be about banning a specific kind of rifle no different than any other semiautomatic rifle?

Because that specific model was y in a house multiple very high profile mass shootings?

And it’s generally agreed event by pro-gun control academics that the copycat effect is the main reason for that? And everyone who knows anything about the topic will point out that although a quality design, the ar-15 is particularly different from every other semiautomatic rifle out there but gets called pro-child murder by regulators who know nothing about the topic and don’t want to learn anything about what they’re trying to regulate?

[Telconi]

Then why does the main thrust of gun control in this country seem to be about banning a specific kind of rifle no different than any other semiautomatic rifle?

Because that specific model was used in multiple very high profile mass shootings?

And a Dodge Challenger was used in a very high profile mass vehicle ramming. When is Beto going to confiscate all the Challengers?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Because that specific model was used in multiple very high profile mass shootings?

And a Dodge Challenger was used in a very high profile mass vehicle ramming. When is Beto going to confiscate all the Challengers?

We gotta ban high-capacity Challengers!

[Diopolis]

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

Ok. Even though the gun show loophole isn’t a thing, I know what you’re trying to get at here and probably it’s something that both sides could compromise on if the dems wanted to. I’m not sure what you’re getting at with adequate background checks though- do you think the current regime of using nics isn’t thorough enough? And what do you want to replace it with?

[Chan Island]

Because that specific model was used in multiple very high profile mass shootings?

Well, morons did throw the MCX into the same category as an AR platform rifle.
Also those specific models are owned by how many people that haven't been used in a criminal act? Is it really logical to get rid of something based on an insignificant percentage?

Expecting some rando writer to know their stuff about firearms? Come on, pull the other one.

Well, yes to the logical argument. We do that all the time. On machine guns, with what line of work you can do, on drugs... a negligibly small percentage of people using items to commit crimes that do a lot of damage is in fact a valid reason to question continuing to let everyone else have access to it.

[Telconi]

And a Dodge Challenger was used in a very high profile mass vehicle ramming. When is Beto going to confiscate all the Challengers?

We gotta ban high-capacity Challengers!

Assault challengers.

[Chan Island]

Because that specific model was used in multiple very high profile mass shootings?

And a Dodge Challenger was used in a very high profile mass vehicle ramming. When is Beto going to confiscate all the Challengers?

A lot of cities have installed barriers in pedestrian zones to prevent exactly such a thing from happening. And also, what are talking about? Car designs get sent back to the drawing board for failing safety standards or regulations all the time, and you have to go through a pretty thorough process to get a license to own them.

Also, Beto is an idiot.

[Diopolis]

And a Dodge Challenger was used in a very high profile mass vehicle ramming. When is Beto going to confiscate all the Challengers?

A lot of cities have installed barriers in pedestrian zones to prevent exactly such a thing from happening. And also, what are talking about? Car designs get sent back to the drawing board for failing safety standards or regulations all the time, and you have to go through a pretty thorough process to get a license to own them.

Also, Beto is an idiot.

You do not need a license to own a car, only to drive one on public roads- which makes the situation similar to legal concealed carry.

[Chan Island]

A lot of cities have installed barriers in pedestrian zones to prevent exactly such a thing from happening. And also, what are talking about? Car designs get sent back to the drawing board for failing safety standards or regulations all the time, and you have to go through a pretty thorough process to get a license to own them.

Also, Beto is an idiot.

You do not need a license to own a car, only to drive one on public roads- which makes the situation similar to legal concealed carry.

And since driving on public roads is the vast, vast majority of car usage in the US, I think we can safely say it's near enough to synonymous to proceed without critiquing semantics.

[Telconi]

And a Dodge Challenger was used in a very high profile mass vehicle ramming. When is Beto going to confiscate all the Challengers?

A lot of cities have installed barriers in pedestrian zones to prevent exactly such a thing from happening. And also, what are talking about? Car designs get sent back to the drawing board for failing safety standards or regulations all the time, and you have to go through a pretty thorough process to get a license to own them.

Also, Beto is an idiot.

Car barriers are pretty far from model based bans of cars aren't they? Like, not even relevant. Almost as irrelevant as design flaws, since, y'know, it wasn't a design flaw in the Dodge Challenger that killed that woman and hurt her friends.

This is just patently false, there is no license to own a car.

Alas, a decent opinion.

[Diopolis]

You do not need a license to own a car, only to drive one on public roads- which makes the situation similar to legal concealed carry.

And since driving on public roads is the vast, vast majority of car usage in the US, I think we can safely say it's near enough to synonymous to proceed with semantic word games.

The vast majority of public firearms use in the United States is licensed carry or hunting(which also requires a license including education requirements).

[Telconi]

You do not need a license to own a car, only to drive one on public roads- which makes the situation similar to legal concealed carry.

And since driving on public roads is the vast, vast majority of car usage in the US, I think we can safely say it's near enough to synonymous to proceed without critiquing semantics.

It's not even remotely similar.