Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Grinning Dragon]

Oh look! Congressional dems aren't really about safety after all, just want to fuck over anybody who dares exercise an enumerated right.
Congressional Dems: Red Flag Confiscations Are Good for Joe Sixpack, but Not for Gang Members

Colorado Republican Ken Buck offered up an amendment designed to disarm known criminals.

Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member.

Buck said,

My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.

But Democrats couldn’t quite stomach the thought of grabbing guns from people known to commit a significant percentage of America’s violent crimes and most of the criminal instances of “gun violence.”

Just to recap the Democrats’ logic here, governmental agencies are competent enough empower them to violate the due process rights of people suspected of possibly committing a crime in the future…but they’re not nearly proficient enough to finger known gang members and grab their guns. - Dan Zimmerman.

[Galloism]

Oh look! Congressional dems aren't really about safety after all, just want to fuck over anybody who dares exercise an enumerated right.
Congressional Dems: Red Flag Confiscations Are Good for Joe Sixpack, but Not for Gang Members

Colorado Republican Ken Buck offered up an amendment designed to disarm known criminals.

Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member.

Buck said,

My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.

But Democrats couldn’t quite stomach the thought of grabbing guns from people known to commit a significant percentage of America’s violent crimes and most of the criminal instances of “gun violence.”

Just to recap the Democrats’ logic here, governmental agencies are competent enough empower them to violate the due process rights of people suspected of possibly committing a crime in the future…but they’re not nearly proficient enough to finger known gang members and grab their guns. - Dan Zimmerman.

I don't like red flag laws even for gang members, but... what the fuck?

[Telconi]

Oh look! Congressional dems aren't really about safety after all, just want to fuck over anybody who dares exercise an enumerated right.
Congressional Dems: Red Flag Confiscations Are Good for Joe Sixpack, but Not for Gang Members


Just to recap the Democrats’ logic here, governmental agencies are competent enough empower them to violate the due process rights of people suspected of possibly committing a crime in the future…but they’re not nearly proficient enough to finger known gang members and grab their guns. - Dan Zimmerman.

I don't like red flag laws even for gang members, but... what the fuck?

Gang members are more likely to vote Democrat?

[Pax Nerdvana]

Oh look! Congressional dems aren't really about safety after all, just want to fuck over anybody who dares exercise an enumerated right.
Congressional Dems: Red Flag Confiscations Are Good for Joe Sixpack, but Not for Gang Members

Colorado Republican Ken Buck offered up an amendment designed to disarm known criminals.

Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member.

Buck said,

My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.

But Democrats couldn’t quite stomach the thought of grabbing guns from people known to commit a significant percentage of America’s violent crimes and most of the criminal instances of “gun violence.”

Just to recap the Democrats’ logic here, governmental agencies are competent enough empower them to violate the due process rights of people suspected of possibly committing a crime in the future…but they’re not nearly proficient enough to finger known gang members and grab their guns. - Dan Zimmerman.

This is completely illogical. It's like getting rid of the guard dog, who guards the chickenhouse, but leaving the fox alone.

[Grinning Dragon]

Oh look! Congressional dems aren't really about safety after all, just want to fuck over anybody who dares exercise an enumerated right.
Congressional Dems: Red Flag Confiscations Are Good for Joe Sixpack, but Not for Gang Members


Just to recap the Democrats’ logic here, governmental agencies are competent enough empower them to violate the due process rights of people suspected of possibly committing a crime in the future…but they’re not nearly proficient enough to finger known gang members and grab their guns. - Dan Zimmerman.

I don't like red flag laws even for gang members, but... what the fuck?

Agreed.
I find it telling the dems use the same argument that most use against the "No fly-No Buy"

[Telconi]

Oh look! Congressional dems aren't really about safety after all, just want to fuck over anybody who dares exercise an enumerated right.
Congressional Dems: Red Flag Confiscations Are Good for Joe Sixpack, but Not for Gang Members


Just to recap the Democrats’ logic here, governmental agencies are competent enough empower them to violate the due process rights of people suspected of possibly committing a crime in the future…but they’re not nearly proficient enough to finger known gang members and grab their guns. - Dan Zimmerman.

I don't like red flag laws even for gang members, but... what the fuck?

Gang members are more likely to vote Democrat?

[Grinning Dragon]

I don't like red flag laws even for gang members, but... what the fuck?

Gang members are more likely to vote Democrat?

Most likely, dems wouldn't want some of their voting bloc stuck in prison or made defenseless and would mean less votes.
Take that dipshit nadler for instance, if he found himself to be out of a congressional job, he'd be lost since he's never done anything meaningful in life.

[Diopolis]

I don't like red flag laws even for gang members, but... what the fuck?

Gang members are more likely to vote Democrat?

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

[Grinning Dragon]

Gang members are more likely to vote Democrat?

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

The strike through parts would be more in line with US gun control. Never about safety, always about control.

[Diopolis]

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

The strike through parts would be more in line with US gun control. Never about safety, always about control.

Party lines seem to be a pretty significant part of it.

[Major-Tom]

Gang members are more likely to vote Democrat?

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

[Telconi]

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

Fines aren't punishment?

[Grinning Dragon]

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

Fines aren't punishment?

Just the cost of doing business with the state, thank you for your support citizen.

[Grinning Dragon]

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

What gun show loophole?
Any and all FFL dealers that attended gun shows and sell firearms at said show, have to conduct a bgc.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

More adequate background checks? Exactly what is it that they're checking for that doesn't already come up?

[Grinning Dragon]

...Not really? I mean - take the gun buyback concept, that's ludicrous and will spell doom for my party if they ever adopt that into their platform. But to have sensible gun control with more adequate background checks, elimination of the gun-show loophole, etc etc, that doesn't punish anybody with the exception of would be criminals. Law-abiding citizens from all parties and walks of life would still be able to buy plenty of guns and ammunition.

More adequate background checks? Exactly what is it that they're checking for that doesn't already come up?

What about the fact that a majority those who reportedly lied on a 4473 knowing full well they were a prohibited person are rarely prosecuted. Seems that there is a selective enforcement of said law in regards to lying on a federal document.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

More adequate background checks? Exactly what is it that they're checking for that doesn't already come up?

What about the fact that a majority those who reportedly lied on a 4473 knowing full well they were a prohibited person are rarely prosecuted. Seems that there is a selective enforcement of said law in regards to lying on a federal document.

I know a good way of getting rid of that issue.

[Grinning Dragon]

What about the fact that a majority those who reportedly lied on a 4473 knowing full well they were a prohibited person are rarely prosecuted. Seems that there is a selective enforcement of said law in regards to lying on a federal document.

I know a good way of getting rid of that issue.

Yeah, getting rid of "we're really not using it as a registry but gonna use it as a registry 4473."

[Pax Nerdvana]

I’ve always said, the whole gun control issue in the US is more about punishing rural people for voting GOP than anything else.

The strike through parts would be more in line with US gun control. Never about safety, always about control.

Agreed. They just want to protect government power, not our rights.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I know a good way of getting rid of that issue.

Yeah, getting rid of the not using it as a registry but gonna use it as a registry 4473.

Get rid of the idea of a 'prohibited person.' Unless you are on probation I don't see any reason not to allow an adult who isn't in a prison or mental institution access to firearms

[Grinning Dragon]

The strike through parts would be more in line with US gun control. Never about safety, always about control.

Agreed. They just want to protect government power, not our rights.

As my grandpappy once said " if govt tells you, you don't need a gun, you definitely need a gun"

[Astokie]

The Dems want to take a way our god given right to own a firearm, they claim that it will keep them off the streets and will lower to death rate from guns.But in all fairness if somebody wants a gun they'll get it one way or another.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Agreed. They just want to protect government power, not our rights.

As my grandpappy once said " if govt tells you, you don't need a gun, you definitely need a gun"

Now that's a quote. Your grandpa had the right idea.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The Demonazis want to take a way our god given right to own a firearm, they claim that it will keep them off the streets and will lower to death rate from guns.But in all fairness if somebody wants a gun they'll get it one way or another.

Careful, political nicknaming is against the rules here.

[Grinning Dragon]

Yeah, getting rid of the not using it as a registry but gonna use it as a registry 4473.

Get rid of the idea of a 'prohibited person.' Unless you are on probation I don't see any reason not to allow an adult who isn't in a prison or mental institution access to firearms

I'm of the same thought. If a person has been released from prison and carried out their sentence, that person should get their full rights back, otherwise, why is said dangerous person being allowed to walk around like a free person. Same with those who are released from mental institutions.