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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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50%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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Postby Telconi » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:38 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
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To be fair there is a distinction with eminent domain. Eminent domain requires the .gov to have a legitimate need for the property for some purpose important enough to justify the eminent domain seizure.

There is no legitimate reason the government needs my guns, it has plenty of it's own.

Let's just say that seizing property with eminent domain powers is bad, especially when it's for the interests of some random company. In the UK, property was seized so Tottenham could build a new football stadium.


Sure, but there are at least some regulations in place.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:26 am

Telconi wrote:
Galloism wrote:I didn’t say it was a good thing, or even reasonable, but taking your property forcefully then giving you some money for it sounds a lot more like how eminent domain works instead of how buying something back works.


To be fair there is a distinction with eminent domain. Eminent domain requires the .gov to have a legitimate need for the property for some purpose important enough to justify the eminent domain seizure.

There is no legitimate reason the government needs my guns, it has plenty of it's own.

You don't want uncle sam to be short on guns do you?
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:50 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Let's just make this a thing. Should blind people be able to own firearms?

What you actually mean when you say this, but are scared to phrase it as, "Should the police go to a blind person's house, knock down his door, brutalize him in front of his family, ruin his life with a criminal record, and throw him in prison for owning a gun", and no, I don't support that.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:57 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Let's just make this a thing. Should blind people be able to own firearms?


Has this hypothtical blind person misused firearms, or have a criminal record? If yes, then they shouldn't own firearms. If no, then why shouldn't they be allowed to own firearms?
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Postby Aclion » Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:10 am

Telconi wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Let's just say that seizing property with eminent domain powers is bad, especially when it's for the interests of some random company. In the UK, property was seized so Tottenham could build a new football stadium.


Sure, but there are at least some regulations in place.

Not really. Since Kelo v. City of New London all they've needed is some argument that the seizure would benefit the public.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:19 am

Aclion wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Sure, but there are at least some regulations in place.

Not really. Since Kelo v. City of New London all they've needed is some argument that the seizure would benefit the public.


Yeah, some benefit. That land in New London still stands vacant.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

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Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:14 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Aclion wrote:Not really. Since Kelo v. City of New London all they've needed is some argument that the seizure would benefit the public.


Yeah, some benefit. That land in New London still stands vacant.

And that "benefit" is usually for some rich company to build a new strip mall or whatever.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:32 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Yeah, some benefit. That land in New London still stands vacant.

And that "benefit" is usually for some rich company to build a new strip mall or whatever.

speaking of benefits the only benefit to the supposed oath of Beto is more violence and death of innocent officers

plus I found this quite fitting of this thread and how the Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot again
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In addition, co-host Jesse Watters cautioned that O'Rourke's rhetoric could lead to people "fake-ratting on" conservative gun owners to "weaponize the red flag laws."
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Postby Novus America » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:45 pm

https://news.yahoo.com/coming-ar-15-oro ... 12589.html

So many Democrats are unhappy with Beto for being truthful, that the Democrats do want to seize guns from law abiding gun owners.

Of course they do not seem to care about punishing gang violence.

Going soft on urban gangsters while taking guns from the law abiding.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:49 pm

Novus America wrote:https://news.yahoo.com/coming-ar-15-orourke-scrambles-223012589.html

So many Democrats are unhappy with Beto for being truthful, that the Democrats do want to seize guns from law abiding gun owners.

Of course they do not seem to care about punishing gang violence.

Going soft on urban gangsters while taking guns from the law abiding.

I'm picturing Tom Perez sitting at the head of the conference table with his face obscured by shadows and stroking a cat while shouting "You fool! You've given away our plan!"...
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Postby Telconi » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:51 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Novus America wrote:https://news.yahoo.com/coming-ar-15-orourke-scrambles-223012589.html

So many Democrats are unhappy with Beto for being truthful, that the Democrats do want to seize guns from law abiding gun owners.

Of course they do not seem to care about punishing gang violence.

Going soft on urban gangsters while taking guns from the law abiding.

I'm picturing Tom Perez sitting at the head of the conference table with his face obscured by shadows and stroking a cat while shouting "You fool! You've given away our plan!"...


Their desire for gun bans are hardly a secret.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:52 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I'm picturing Tom Perez sitting at the head of the conference table with his face obscured by shadows and stroking a cat while shouting "You fool! You've given away our plan!"...


Their desire for gun bans are hardly a secret.

That doesn't mean that they want to admit it though.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I'm picturing Tom Perez sitting at the head of the conference table with his face obscured by shadows and stroking a cat while shouting "You fool! You've given away our plan!"...


Their desire for gun bans are hardly a secret.


True, but they try to disingenuously deny it.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:56 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Their desire for gun bans are hardly a secret.

That doesn't mean that they want to admit it though.


At this point everyone who says Democrats aren't pushing gun bans is either illiterate or purposefully lying.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:That doesn't mean that they want to admit it though.


At this point everyone who says Democrats aren't pushing gun bans is either illiterate or purposefully lying.


True, but it is not like Democratic politicians do not lie constantly.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:02 pm

Novus America wrote:
Telconi wrote:
At this point everyone who says Democrats aren't pushing gun bans is either illiterate or purposefully lying.


True, but it is not like Democratic politicians do not lie constantly.

All I know is that Robert O'Rourke better watch what he says if he doesn't want Number One to make him commit suicide in the shark pool...
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:37 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Novus America wrote:
True, but it is not like Democratic politicians do not lie constantly.

All I know is that Robert O'Rourke better watch what he says if he doesn't want Number One to make him commit suicide in the shark pool...

just give him to Gordon Ramsey or send him on tour with a marine patrol or a police officer on his shift and see what actual gun violence looks like
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Postby Aclion » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:45 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Their desire for gun bans are hardly a secret.

That doesn't mean that they want to admit it though.

It's hard to keep a secret when people keep blabbing, and when someone tries to pull off an illegal mass confiscation very decade or so
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Jesus Christ...


Looks like he also is doubling down on being stupid. Didn't know it was possible, but hey, you learn something new every day.

But hey, nobody is coming for them guns, right? At least that's what I keep being told by the uneducated leftists repeatedly.

Liberals. Not leftists. Marx himself advocated arming workers for fucks sake.
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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Looks like he also is doubling down on being stupid. Didn't know it was possible, but hey, you learn something new every day.

But hey, nobody is coming for them guns, right? At least that's what I keep being told by the uneducated leftists repeatedly.

Liberals. Not leftists. Marx himself advocated arming workers for fucks sake.

Which is the one thing I could agree with a communist on.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:47 am

On the radio this morning, whilst on my way to work. Played a short sound bite of beto the beta boy proclaiming that he has heard from Texan's that they want to give up their AR platform rifles.
That those rifles where fun range toys but aren't used for hunting or self defense, etc. Why does beto have to lie like a rejected mother fucker? Trying to make himself look cool?

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:53 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:On the radio this morning, whilst on my way to work. Played a short sound bite of beto the beta boy proclaiming that he has heard from Texan's that they want to give up their AR platform rifles.
That those rifles where fun range toys but aren't used for hunting or self defense, etc. Why does beto have to lie like a rejected mother fucker? Trying to make himself look cool?

I keep hearing the radio spouting something about how gun owners want red flag laws, or something stupid like that. They don't even give a proper source for me to laugh at.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:57 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:On the radio this morning, whilst on my way to work. Played a short sound bite of beto the beta boy proclaiming that he has heard from Texan's that they want to give up their AR platform rifles.
That those rifles where fun range toys but aren't used for hunting or self defense, etc. Why does beto have to lie like a rejected mother fucker? Trying to make himself look cool?

I keep hearing the radio spouting something about how gun owners want red flag laws, or something stupid like that. They don't even give a proper source for me to laugh at.

Same here and yet I haven't found one person who agrees with red flag laws.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:09 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I keep hearing the radio spouting something about how gun owners want red flag laws, or something stupid like that. They don't even give a proper source for me to laugh at.

Same here and yet I haven't found one person who agrees with red flag laws.

Same. I wish we could fix the media.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:18 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:On the radio this morning, whilst on my way to work. Played a short sound bite of beto the beta boy proclaiming that he has heard from Texan's that they want to give up their AR platform rifles.
That those rifles where fun range toys but aren't used for hunting or self defense, etc. Why does beto have to lie like a rejected mother fucker? Trying to make himself look cool?

I keep hearing the radio spouting something about how gun owners want red flag laws, or something stupid like that. They don't even give a proper source for me to laugh at.


Some guy in a T-shirt with the slogan "God hates fags" told me that gays actually want their sinful marriages annulled. :roll:
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-Labor Unions
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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