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Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:43 pm**

Fartsniffage wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:I don't really have the time and inclination to dig into the details of the proposals, but the broader concept of providing housing to homeless people is solid. In some cases, the cost of the housing is less than the cost of hospital stays, police intervention, etc. that occur because people are left out on the street. Being out on the street makes people more vulnerable to getting robbed, getting in fights, developing medical problems, etc. which then require intervention. If they were housed somewhere, they would not bother other people as much or get sick as often.

Also: Holy crap, LA. 57,000 homeless???? The whole state of Massachusetts doesn't even have that many, and I still see friggin' panhandlers all the time. That is way too many.

Homeless isn't always people living on the streets. There are people living out of their cars, couch surfing, cheap motels, etc.

A lot of them do live on the street, though, and it comes with costs because of the added strain on emergency services. Getting those people off the street, even just into a motel room or a bed in a homeless shelter, would help with those problems.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:14 pm**

Good, but LA should also consider reforming zoning laws and other deregulations in that regard.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:15 pm**

I'm gucci for this.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:21 pm**

It's interesting to see just how broad the political spectrum is among the posters supporting this, I'm actually pleasantly surprised so many right-wingers support this.
I think this thread needs a poll honestly.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:24 pm**

Genivaria wrote:It's interesting to see just how broad the political spectrum is among the posters supporting this, I'm actually pleasantly surprised so many right-wingers support this.
I think this thread needs a poll honestly.

Most on both sides of politics want to do good by humanity, it's just the methods we usually disagree on.

Needless to say I support helping the homeless.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:31 pm**

Housing first is a method that has been proven to work. Just the simple fact of having a home is incredibly important psychologically. It is incredibly difficult for a person to get thier life togather without one, but if you just give them a home *first* then the other stuff (getting sober, etc.) does tend to follow in alot of cases.

I think it's a great idea.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:36 pm**

This sounds like a swell idea, but we shouldnt just stop at that. We need to continue to create jobs, and help these folks get jobs, let them become contributing members of society once more.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:39 pm**

California is full of commies

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:41 pm**

AlHamdulillah :clap:

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:41 pm**

Archvenland wrote:This sounds like a swell idea, but we shouldnt just stop at that. We need to continue to create jobs, and help these folks get jobs, let them become contributing members of society once more.

Agreed.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:43 pm**

I'm in favor of this, provided the most cost efficient forms of housing are pursued. The housing given doesn't necessarily have to be of nice quality. I recommend shipping containers or military style barracks that hold 200+ or so in one room, with 3 story high bunk beds in grid formation in this one huge building.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:48 pm**

Krienger wrote:California is full of commies

I wish.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:54 pm**

This sounds like the dangerous kind of socialism. If the homeless have homes then they be homeless and that'll upend the whole social order!

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:55 pm**

Albrenia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It's interesting to see just how broad the political spectrum is among the posters supporting this, I'm actually pleasantly surprised so many right-wingers support this.
I think this thread needs a poll honestly.

Most on both sides of politics want to do good by humanity, it's just the methods we usually disagree on.

Needless to say I support helping the homeless.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:55 pm**

Hopefully this works but I'm less than optimistic about the plan being carried out successfully. I know Utah got something like this to work but LA's homelessness problem is on a whole different scale.

USS Monitor wrote:
Also: Holy crap, LA. 57,000 homeless???? The whole state of Massachusetts doesn't even have that many, and I still see friggin' panhandlers all the time. That is way too many.

The high cost of housing puts a lot of people from here on the streets and the low risk of freezing to death every night brings lot of homeless people from out of state to the region. Couple these with past incompetence in dealing with the problem by City Hall and it's not that surprising that it's gotten this bad.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:57 pm**

Arlenton wrote:Didn't they do this in Utah? And didn't it work pretty well? It seems to be an ok idea.

Huh, do you have any links where I can read up on that? Sounds interesting.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:59 pm**

Finally. Good for them. I hope the motion passes.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:11 pm**

Quick question: if LA decides to prove homes for the homeless, what's to stop more homeless from coming to LA? Wouldn't it be smarter to address the causes of homelessness, and homielessness, on a state wide level?

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:13 pm**

Shofercia wrote:Quick question: if LA decides to prove homes for the homeless, what's to stop more homeless from coming to LA? Wouldn't it be smarter to address the causes of homelessness, and homielessness, on a state wide level?

How would they know about it and have the means to get to LA?

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:16 pm**

Improved werpland wrote:Good, but LA should also consider reforming zoning laws and other deregulations in that regard.

This giving home to the homeless is all well and good but it's a bitter pill to swallow when the city is in a perpetual housing crisis.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:22 pm**

Petrasylvania wrote:Great idea, but will they be decent housing or bare bones roach motels with burgeoning bed bug civilizations?

For 57,000 people, while the budget is being tightened? Take a guess.

Chan Island wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:I don't really have the time and inclination to dig into the details of the proposals, but the broader concept of providing housing to homeless people is solid. In some cases, the cost of the housing is less than the cost of hospital stays, police intervention, etc. that occur because people are left out on the street. Being out on the street makes people more vulnerable to getting robbed, getting in fights, developing medical problems, etc. which then require intervention. If they were housed somewhere, they would not bother other people as much or get sick as often.

Also: Holy crap, LA. 57,000 homeless???? The whole state of Massachusetts doesn't even have that many, and I still see friggin' panhandlers all the time. That is way too many.

The entire state of California has a very high homelessness rate. Partly that's the large general population, and I've heard (can't confirm) that it's mostly to do with how they are more decent with homelessness there than in their neighbours, so homeless people from AZ, OR or NV travel there.

As a state we proudly import homeless people. Homieless people can come too.

Improved werpland wrote:Good, but LA should also consider reforming zoning laws and other deregulations in that regard.

Yes, let's deregulate zoning laws as well as gathering more homeless - great idea! And let's keep our prison system rules the same. I see absolutely no drawback to this policy, I mean it's not like it'll greatly deflate home values, get homeless blamed for a degradation of said values, perpetuate violence against homeless by the property owners who just had their values deflated, have our current pro-rich prison system throw the homeless in jail for others being violent against them, have their deceases spread throughout the jail, where quite a few minority gangmembers are interned, have these minorities infect other minorities when they leave jail, allow the crazy racists actual proof of minorities spreading disease causing race value and further property value degradation in California, which in turn leads to more violence... Werpland for Mayor of LA! /sarcasm

Why is it that the people who are most ignorant about our zoning laws, which are "only" responsible for 14% of our GSP, that's $385 billion per year in State Revenue, are quick to attack our zoning laws? Guys, they work. It's one of the few parts of California that works. Let's not fuck with it. $385 billion is good. Let's keep that.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:29 pm**

Saiwania wrote: I recommend shipping containers or military style barracks that hold 200+ or so in one room, with 3 story high bunk beds in grid formation in this one huge building.

Why, though? :blink:

The Corparation wrote:The high cost of housing puts a lot of people from here on the streets and the low risk of freezing to death every night brings lot of homeless people from out of state to the region. Couple these with past incompetence in dealing with the problem by City Hall and it's not that surprising that it's gotten this bad.

I'm comparing with Massachusetts that also has a high cost of living and high population density, making it difficult to manage housing. We have a problem with homelessness. LA just needs to get their shit together.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:29 pm**

The Black Forrest wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Quick question: if LA decides to prove homes for the homeless, what's to stop more homeless from coming to LA? Wouldn't it be smarter to address the causes of homelessness, and homielessness, on a state wide level?

How would they know about it and have the means to get to LA?

Information is very easy to find out these days. Do you know who usually hangs outside of the CNN Building in LA, and are CNN's most trusted viewers? The homeless. Not to mention that they naturally migrate to warmer climates, like LA, because they don't want to freeze to death.

Saiwania wrote:I'm in favor of this, provided the most cost efficient forms of housing are pursued. The housing given doesn't necessarily have to be of nice quality. I recommend shipping containers or military style barracks that hold 200+ or so in one room, with 3 story high bunk beds in grid formation in this one huge building.

Shipping containers during a California Summer... yeah, no problems here at all, it's not like they'll be baked or anything /sarcasm

If you want housing for the homeless, (which is the right and smart thing to do,) it should be done on a statewide level, or at least a countywide level in the case of LA County, which has 10 million people. On a city level, it'll just cause resentment. And whatever you do, do not fuck with our zoning laws - they work.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:30 pm**

Shofercia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Great idea, but will they be decent housing or bare bones roach motels with burgeoning bed bug civilizations?

For 57,000 people, while the budget is being tightened? Take a guess.

No way they actually house all of them.

Posted: **Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:33 pm**

Saiwania wrote:I'm in favor of this, provided the most cost efficient forms of housing are pursued. The housing given doesn't necessarily have to be of nice quality. I recommend shipping containers or military style barracks that hold 200+ or so in one room, with 3 story high bunk beds in grid formation in this one huge building.

Might as well put them in camps then.

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