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by Srianna Gestane » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:20 pm
by Neanderthaland » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:30 pm
Herskerstad wrote:Neanderthaland wrote:This is going to happen more often as self-driving cars become more common, simply as an inescapable matter of statistics.
It doesn't mean that self-driving cars are intrinsically unsafe, or a bad idea; human drivers hit pedestrians too.
So long as self-driving cars continue to improve and outperform human drivers on average, society will be making a net benefit.
Problem is that humans can face criminal prosecutions for those accidents however unintended, whereas companies can face, short of incredible malfeasance at best civil suits. I am rather of the opinion the companies should be at least as responsible as a human on said roads and, depending on the nature of the accident, could face extraordinary fines that would cover the life-worth or damages they cause if not more as to encourage the strictest safety precautions. .
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:31 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Albrenia » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:56 am
by Petrolheadia » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:28 am
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:27 pm
Police say a video from the Uber self-driving car that struck and killed a woman Sunday shows her moving in front of it suddenly, a factor that investigators are likely to focus on as they assess the performance of the technology in the first pedestrian fatality involving an autonomous vehicle.
The Uber had a forward-facing video recorder, which showed the woman was walking a bike at about 10 p.m. and moved into traffic from a dark center median. "It’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode,” Sylvia Moir, police chief in Tempe, Arizona, told the San Francisco Chronicle.
"The driver said it was like a flash, the person walked out in front of them," Moir said, referring to the backup driver who was behind the wheel but not operating the vehicle. "His first alert to the collision was the sound of the collision."
It’s too soon to draw any conclusions from the preliminary information that has emerged, said Brian Walker Smith, a law professor at the University of South Carolina who has studied autonomous vehicle liability.
“It’s possible that Uber’s automated driving system did not detect the pedestrian, did not classify her as a pedestrian, or did not predict her departure from the median,” Smith said in an email. “I don’t know whether these steps occurred too late to prevent or lessen the collision or whether they never occurred at all, but the lack of braking or swerving whatsoever is alarming and suggests that the system never anticipated the collision.”
by Datlofff » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:20 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Apparently the pedestrian stepped in front of the car suddenly-Police say a video from the Uber self-driving car that struck and killed a woman Sunday shows her moving in front of it suddenly, a factor that investigators are likely to focus on as they assess the performance of the technology in the first pedestrian fatality involving an autonomous vehicle.
The Uber had a forward-facing video recorder, which showed the woman was walking a bike at about 10 p.m. and moved into traffic from a dark center median. "It’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode,” Sylvia Moir, police chief in Tempe, Arizona, told the San Francisco Chronicle.
"The driver said it was like a flash, the person walked out in front of them," Moir said, referring to the backup driver who was behind the wheel but not operating the vehicle. "His first alert to the collision was the sound of the collision."
To further quote the article since I reflexively would say the same thing anyway:It’s too soon to draw any conclusions from the preliminary information that has emerged, said Brian Walker Smith, a law professor at the University of South Carolina who has studied autonomous vehicle liability.
So the chick suddenly stepped out into the road infront of a speeding car? Sounds like natural selection got her, not the car.
“It’s possible that Uber’s automated driving system did not detect the pedestrian, did not classify her as a pedestrian, or did not predict her departure from the median,” Smith said in an email. “I don’t know whether these steps occurred too late to prevent or lessen the collision or whether they never occurred at all, but the lack of braking or swerving whatsoever is alarming and suggests that the system never anticipated the collision.”
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by Victoriaans Nederlands » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:02 pm
A puppet of Valentine Z.
The Herrlich Opperheerschappij of Victoriaans Nederlands - Scandinavian and European paradise. Seen as a combination of Netherlands, Germany and Russia. Civil and Political Rights are plenty, but with limits.
Okstovskaya wrote:Not a flag, -10/10
Using an image sourced from a cartoon, intended for the young, for a country's flag is a close approximation of using anime photos as PfP's on YouTube. Seriously, you need to learn vexillology, kid.
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Easy, Samantha-Higgs. The others are crap, but [Victoriaans Nederlands] is the shit king.
by Bombadil » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:10 pm
Victoriaans Nederlands wrote:Is it because of the fact that she jaywalked? I mean, she was not using the crosswalk, so... poor car's probably confused that a person was crossing in where she wasn't supposed to cross.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/19/self-driv ... d-7400145/
by Albrenia » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:12 pm
Bombadil wrote:Victoriaans Nederlands wrote:Is it because of the fact that she jaywalked? I mean, she was not using the crosswalk, so... poor car's probably confused that a person was crossing in where she wasn't supposed to cross.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/19/self-driv ... d-7400145/
It's really hard to tell.. as I read it she was simply walking her bicycle along in the dark. I guess one good point of driverless cars is that everything will be completely recorded as opposed to someone's word.
Given there's any fault, even if no real fault either way.. it will come out.
More is just the reaction, the family have called for Uber to close down.. the overall news and outcries. Even prior to this people were beating driverless cars on the street. A lot of people really don't like the idea of driverless cars.
by Des-Bal » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:39 pm
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by Victoriaans Nederlands » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:41 pm
Bombadil wrote:
It's really hard to tell.. as I read it she was simply walking her bicycle along in the dark. I guess one good point of driverless cars is that everything will be completely recorded as opposed to someone's word.
Given there's any fault, even if no real fault either way.. it will come out.
More is just the reaction, the family have called for Uber to close down.. the overall news and outcries. Even prior to this people were beating driverless cars on the street. A lot of people really don't like the idea of driverless cars.
A puppet of Valentine Z.
The Herrlich Opperheerschappij of Victoriaans Nederlands - Scandinavian and European paradise. Seen as a combination of Netherlands, Germany and Russia. Civil and Political Rights are plenty, but with limits.
Okstovskaya wrote:Not a flag, -10/10
Using an image sourced from a cartoon, intended for the young, for a country's flag is a close approximation of using anime photos as PfP's on YouTube. Seriously, you need to learn vexillology, kid.
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Easy, Samantha-Higgs. The others are crap, but [Victoriaans Nederlands] is the shit king.
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:54 pm
Victoriaans Nederlands wrote:Is it because of the fact that she jaywalked? I mean, she was not using the crosswalk, so... poor car's probably confused that a person was crossing in where she wasn't supposed to cross.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/19/self-driv ... d-7400145/
by Victoriaans Nederlands » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:58 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Victoriaans Nederlands wrote:Is it because of the fact that she jaywalked? I mean, she was not using the crosswalk, so... poor car's probably confused that a person was crossing in where she wasn't supposed to cross.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/19/self-driv ... d-7400145/
Well, just like real drivers, driverless cars need to be able to react to things happening like someone crossing not in a crosswalk. In this instance she might have stepped out with not enough time for the car to react regardless of whether the driver was a robot or a person. Or maybe the person would have seen the woman on the curb and been aware enough of them to prevent it (that the 'back up driver' in the car didn't notice she was there until there was a hit doesn't mean as much since he was letting the car drive and maybe not paying as much attention as he would have if he was actually driving), but this is the kind of thing we have to sort out before these things become 'normal.'
This isn't Google Glass, we can't just Luddite our heads off until it quietly goes away. (though that shit will come back around eventually.)
A puppet of Valentine Z.
The Herrlich Opperheerschappij of Victoriaans Nederlands - Scandinavian and European paradise. Seen as a combination of Netherlands, Germany and Russia. Civil and Political Rights are plenty, but with limits.
Okstovskaya wrote:Not a flag, -10/10
Using an image sourced from a cartoon, intended for the young, for a country's flag is a close approximation of using anime photos as PfP's on YouTube. Seriously, you need to learn vexillology, kid.
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Easy, Samantha-Higgs. The others are crap, but [Victoriaans Nederlands] is the shit king.
by Neanderthaland » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:15 pm
Victoriaans Nederlands wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, just like real drivers, driverless cars need to be able to react to things happening like someone crossing not in a crosswalk. In this instance she might have stepped out with not enough time for the car to react regardless of whether the driver was a robot or a person. Or maybe the person would have seen the woman on the curb and been aware enough of them to prevent it (that the 'back up driver' in the car didn't notice she was there until there was a hit doesn't mean as much since he was letting the car drive and maybe not paying as much attention as he would have if he was actually driving), but this is the kind of thing we have to sort out before these things become 'normal.'
This isn't Google Glass, we can't just Luddite our heads off until it quietly goes away. (though that shit will come back around eventually.)
Perhaps something like Tesla cars, I suppose? They can predict an accident that was just about to happen, so maybe a similar thing for people running across. Say, if they have an infrared beam that would be cut when someone suddenly cut through.
I'm just a guy behind a computer, so I definitely don't know much about these cars. With that said, perhaps more enclosed trials needs to be done? Phrasing out self-driving cars completely would be a waste of past researches and time.
by Cannot think of a name » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:22 pm
Neanderthaland wrote:Victoriaans Nederlands wrote:
Perhaps something like Tesla cars, I suppose? They can predict an accident that was just about to happen, so maybe a similar thing for people running across. Say, if they have an infrared beam that would be cut when someone suddenly cut through.
I'm just a guy behind a computer, so I definitely don't know much about these cars. With that said, perhaps more enclosed trials needs to be done? Phrasing out self-driving cars completely would be a waste of past researches and time.
Keep in mind that this happened once. Ever. I'm sure that the safety of these vehicles can be improved, and I'm sure it will be, but the occasional accident will always happen no matter how good the technology is.
Meanwhile human drivers continue to hit a non-zero number of pedestrians every day.
by Petrasylvania » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:28 pm
Albrenia wrote:So even this one incident was a human's fault, and not the car's. Who could have guessed?
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