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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:03 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Galloism wrote:You know, Ifreann is right. My example wasn't good. Let me do a better one:

How about a business owner who asks every woman, and only women, to take a punch in the face by the person behind them, so women can understand the threat of violence that men live under, being disproportionately victimized by nearly all types of violent crime. No one is forced - purely voluntary.

Sexist or kosher?

Because I'd call it sexist.

Was that meant to be the other way around? Because women experience more domestic violence than men.
So I think it should be like this:

"How about a business owner who asks every man, and only men, to take a punch in the face by the person behind them, so men can understand the threat of violence that women live under, being disproportionately victimized by nearly all types of violent crime. No one is forced - purely voluntary."

Which, although a lot more harsh and brutal than the experiment Wey was doing, it is comparable.
To which I'd say "sheesh", but also "what data is the business owner trying to get?" and "is this a social experiment, or is the owner just crazy?"


1. Women don't experience more domestic violence than men.
2. Gallo is specifically pointing out that men face more violence overall, and so to raise womens awareness of this, they should be asked if they want to get punched in the face. It can be by a woman if you like.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:03 am

Galloism wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Was that meant to be the other way around? Because women experience more domestic violence than men.


No, men experience more violence than women by a wide margin. First, notice I said "violence", not " domestic violence". Men are 78% of murder victims in the United States. They're between 45-55% of domestic violence victims in the United States (depending on your survey methodology). Somewhere around 50-60% for rape (if one uses a nonsexist definition of rape), and somewhere around 35-45% for sexual assault. They're also a majority of those suffering assault, aggravated assault, attempted murder, armed robberies, and many many other crimes.

So, with that in mind, and that i said "violence" not "DOMESTIC violence", is it ok to keep the original scenario, or is it sexist?

Galloism wrote:You know, Ifreann is right. My example wasn't good. Let me do a better one:

How about a business owner who asks every woman, and only women, to take a punch in the face by the person behind them, so women can understand the threat of violence that men live under, being disproportionately victimized by nearly all types of violent crime. No one is forced - purely voluntary.

Sexist or kosher?

Because I'd call it sexist.

Oh wow....
In that case, idk. Idk if it's sexist, but it's not halal either.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:06 am

I reread the link.
Idk what data Wey was trying to find. It looks like he was just trying to see reactions to this, which doesn't really solve anything.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:56 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Galloism wrote:
No, men experience more violence than women by a wide margin. First, notice I said "violence", not " domestic violence". Men are 78% of murder victims in the United States. They're between 45-55% of domestic violence victims in the United States (depending on your survey methodology). Somewhere around 50-60% for rape (if one uses a nonsexist definition of rape), and somewhere around 35-45% for sexual assault. They're also a majority of those suffering assault, aggravated assault, attempted murder, armed robberies, and many many other crimes.

So, with that in mind, and that i said "violence" not "DOMESTIC violence", is it ok to keep the original scenario, or is it sexist?


Oh wow....
In that case, idk. Idk if it's sexist, but it's not halal either.

You're not sure if asking women, and only women, if they would consent to being punched in the face on the basis of their gender "so they would understand the threat of violence men face", is sexist? You're not sure?

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Postby Puldania » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:18 pm

Why are people so upset by this? The guy is just giving white people a choice to pay more.

Racism is defined by the discrimination based on race. There is no discrimination here, just stereotyping.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:56 pm

Puldania wrote:Why are people so upset by this? The guy is just giving white people a choice to pay more.

Racism is defined by the discrimination based on race. There is no discrimination here, just stereotyping.

Same question to you good chap:

Galloism wrote:You know, Ifreann is right. My example wasn't good. Let me do a better one:

How about a business owner who asks every woman, and only women, to take a punch in the face by the person behind them, so women can understand the threat of violence that men live under, being disproportionately victimized by nearly all types of violent crime. No one is forced - purely voluntary.

Sexist or kosher?

Because I'd call it sexist.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:00 pm

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Srianna Gestane wrote:People spend $45 for a movie ticket, and all that is, is sitting in a box to get your emotions torqued. I think a lot of those people thought of this as a service, and chose to pay because they liked the experience, not just because it took advantage of their neuroses. (Though, maybe that's what action films do, too. I'm not a psychoanalyst.)

I'd probably have paid the $30, not because I'm above the poverty line (I'm not), not because I'm guilty (I'm worse off than they are, on average) but because I appreciate what the guy is doing and how he's doing it. This 'experiment' he did is almost like a work of art, and if I can't pay someone for something thought provoking like this, I have no business spending money on video games or spaghetti and meatballs.

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