White? Why not pay more?

[Reblibre]

Who knew this would become about white men..

I have to say, that's a pretty great one-liner.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Y'all.....
This was a social experiment, not something someone was actually doing to discriminate against white people! OP, you shoulda read the article before making this thread.

[Ostroeuropa]

I would not pay the $12. I would probably just leave. This may be a social experiment but seeing as I am a white male who makes less than $25,000 a year I am not paying more money for 'supposedly' having a higher income by the benefit of being white.

I get that this is a social experiment, but I doubt it applies to me.

True, it was based on the average monetary amount that Euro-American people in New Orleans make compared to Afro-Americans.
And that's not supposed, that's fact.
Was there a better way to do this? Yes. But that doesn't mean what Wey did was racist in intent. In fact, I don't see this as racist that much.

Intent is irrelevant. It was racist.

[Kubumba Tribe]

True, it was based on the average monetary amount that Euro-American people in New Orleans make compared to Afro-Americans.
And that's not supposed, that's fact.
Was there a better way to do this? Yes. But that doesn't mean what Wey did was racist in intent. In fact, I don't see this as racist that much.

Intent is irrelevant. It was racist.

Not really. It's not like Wey made a baseless assumption about European-Americans.

[Liriena]

Explain.

Essentially you said that 'White Fragility' is when someone (specifically a white person) becomes dismissive of a usually less obvious example of racism normally because they simply don't want to deal with the big issues it implies. Since I and obviously many others feel that the term is racially demeaning then it is 'White Fragility' to use it and dismiss the whole issue since white fragility is to do just that.

This is galaxy brain meme material... but seriously, though, I kind of see your point, but I think you're stretching it a bit there.

[The Rebel Alliances]

I would not pay the $12. I would probably just leave. This may be a social experiment but seeing as I am a white male who makes less than $25,000 a year I am not paying more money for 'supposedly' having a higher income by the benefit of being white.

I get that this is a social experiment, but I doubt it applies to me.

True, it was based on the average monetary amount that Euro-American people in New Orleans make compared to Afro-Americans.
And that's not supposed, that's fact.
Was there a better way to do this? Yes. But that doesn't mean what Wey did was racist in intent. In fact, I don't see this as racist that much.

I don't believe I accused it of being racist. I do not live in New Orleans either. So, yeah I am not in that control group. I forget, were the customers informed that this was a social experiment?

[Bombadil]

Y'all.....
This was a social experiment, not something someone was actually doing to discriminate against white people! OP, you shoulda read the article before making this thread.

Can you stop constantly reposting this if only because it demonstrates a lack of reading comprehension on the posters part - reread the OP and subsequent posts by the OP before accusing people of not reading..

In fact most people seem to have a grasp on the goals and issues of the article.

I just don't want you to repeatedly look stupid..

[El-Amin Caliphate]

True, it was based on the average monetary amount that Euro-American people in New Orleans make compared to Afro-Americans.
And that's not supposed, that's fact.
Was there a better way to do this? Yes. But that doesn't mean what Wey did was racist in intent. In fact, I don't see this as racist that much.

I don't believe I accused it of being racist.

Oh, no, I wasn't saying you were.

I do not live in New Orleans either. So, yeah I am not in that control group. I forget, were the customers informed that this was a social experiment?

Iirc, yes.

[Ostroeuropa]

Intent is irrelevant. It was racist.

Not really. It's not like Wey made a baseless assumption about European-Americans.

He used statistics to treat all whites like they were the norm.
If I were to treat every Arab I saw as someone who didn't speak english based on statistics showing most didn't, that would be racism.

Similarly, if I were to treat every black person like they were poor, that would be racism. (As an example, if I were to "Just ask!" black people if they were sure they had the money to frequent my shop, and "give them the choice" of going elsewhere, because black people earn less, and my shop is expensive.)
That's using the same statistics he did here, in a similar way.

It's racism, straight up.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Can you stop constantly reposting this if only because it demonstrates a lack of reading comprehension on the posters part - reread the OP and subsequent posts by the OP before accusing people of not reading..

In fact most people seem to have a grasp on the goals and issues of the article.

Ok, I'll take out the "OP reread!" part. But Imma still post the rest until everyone understands that this is a social experiment to document racial economic differences, and not a racist, anti-white action by a restaurant.

[Reblibre]

Essentially you said that 'White Fragility' is when someone (specifically a white person) becomes dismissive of a usually less obvious example of racism normally because they simply don't want to deal with the big issues it implies. Since I and obviously many others feel that the term is racially demeaning then it is 'White Fragility' to use it and dismiss the whole issue since white fragility is to do just that.

This is galaxy brain meme material... but seriously, though, I kind of see your point, but I think you're stretching it a bit there.

Alright well thank you for listening and being open minded about what I said.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Not really. It's not like Wey made a baseless assumption about European-Americans.

He used statistics to treat all whites like they were the norm.
If I were to treat every Arab I saw as someone who didn't speak english based on statistics showing most didn't, that would be racism.

You do it with Muslims.

Similarly, if I were to treat every black person like they were poor, that would be racism. (As an example, if I were to "Just ask!" black people if they were sure they had the money to frequent my shop, and "give them the choice" of going elsewhere, because black people earn less, and my shop is expensive.)
That's using the same statistics he did here, in a similar way.

No, that's not the same. You are not conducting an experiment, whereas Wey was.

Gotta go to bed, g'night y'all.

[Ostroeuropa]

He used statistics to treat all whites like they were the norm.
If I were to treat every Arab I saw as someone who didn't speak english based on statistics showing most didn't, that would be racism.

You do it with Muslims.

Similarly, if I were to treat every black person like they were poor, that would be racism. (As an example, if I were to "Just ask!" black people if they were sure they had the money to frequent my shop, and "give them the choice" of going elsewhere, because black people earn less, and my shop is expensive.)
That's using the same statistics he did here, in a similar way.

No, that's not the same. You are not conducting an experiment, whereas Wey was.

Gotta go to bed, g'night y'all.

No, I don't do it to Muslims.

An experiment can be racist, this argument of yours is nonsense. And given that he reaped monetary reward directly from it, rather than it's results, it isn't an experiment anyway. It wouldn't change if it was an experiment either. Treating Black people like they are poor and asking those things would be racism, just like treating whites like they are rich was here.

[Praeceptorria]

Here's an easy way to tell if something you say is racist. If replacing whatever race you are referencing in what you say with any other makes what your saying sound bad that's a good indication it's racist, because you should never be putting one race above or below another no matter which it is.

[The American Corporate Hegemony]

Here's an easy way to tell if something you say is racist. If replacing whatever race you are referencing in what you say with any other makes what your saying sound bad that's a good indication it's racist, because you should never be putting one race above or below another no matter which it is.

This. So much this.

[Bombadil]

Here's an easy way to tell if something you say is racist. If replacing whatever race you are referencing in what you say with any other makes what your saying sound bad that's a good indication it's racist, because you should never be putting one race above or below another no matter which it is.

So this experiment is not racist because asking if people might think about the fact that black families earn twice as much as white families on average is nonsensical.

[Praeceptorria]

Here's an easy way to tell if something you say is racist. If replacing whatever race you are referencing in what you say with any other makes what your saying sound bad that's a good indication it's racist, because you should never be putting one race above or below another no matter which it is.

This. So much this.

Of course, non Praeceptorrians are evil, baby-killers and weaklings with no moral standing and a disgusting fascination with freedom and individual rights. You can make slurs about non Praeceptorrians all you want

[Praeceptorria]

Here's an easy way to tell if something you say is racist. If replacing whatever race you are referencing in what you say with any other makes what your saying sound bad that's a good indication it's racist, because you should never be putting one race above or below another no matter which it is.

So this experiment is not racist because asking if people might think about the fact that black families earn twice as much as white families on average is nonsensical.

Cashier at counter: Hey, you look Muslim. Want to pay 18$ extra? After all your race was responsible for bombing the twin towers and imagine how much the victims and their families lost?

Hispanic man mistaken for a Muslim: What? That's just racist!

Cashier at counter: I'm just trying to make people realize how unjust it is that your race killed men, women and children just for the sake of some crazy fanatical ideology.

Hispanic man mistaken for a Muslim: I'm not even Muslim!


Cashier at counter: Hey, your black! Want to eat your meal in handcuffs to represent the increased rate of crime among African Americans? Imagine how many upstanding citizens have suffered from your race's lack of respect for the law?

Indian man whose been spending time at the beach: What? That's just racist!

Cashier at counter: I'm just trying to make people realize how unjust it is that your race has statistically been responsible for many more crimes than others.

Indian man whose been spending time at the beach: Im not even black!


Both of these are ridiculous. They take a fact and turn it into a disgusting miscarriage of justice wherein which someone is judged by association with thier race. Every race has good people and bad people, like everyone else, and discriminating a person because of what other's of thier race have done is asinine and unacceptable.

[Ostroeuropa]

Here's an easy way to tell if something you say is racist. If replacing whatever race you are referencing in what you say with any other makes what your saying sound bad that's a good indication it's racist, because you should never be putting one race above or below another no matter which it is.

So this experiment is not racist because asking if people might think about the fact that black families earn twice as much as white families on average is nonsensical.

Using these statistics to treat white people like they are all rich is functionally the same as using it to treat all black people like they are poor.
If someone were to use the statistics to "Ask" black people if they know black people are on average poor and "Give them the choice" of shopping elsewhere because they probably can't afford it here, would that be racism?
Every single black person who walks in to the shop.

Ofcourse it would be.

The fact is, this study was racist against both groups involved. It treated black people like they were poor, and whites like they were rich.
In doing so, it discriminated against rich black persons and poor white persons who fell outside its model.

Denying Black people the acknowledgement of their accomplishment, and putting white people into a situation where they are socially pressured to spend more money on the basis of their skin color, not their income, disadvantaging poor whites compared to poor blacks in the situation, especially those with social anxiety and shit.

It was racism, pure and simple.

[Reblibre]

So this experiment is not racist because asking if people might think about the fact that black families earn twice as much as white families on average is nonsensical.

Using these statistics to treat white people like they are all rich is functionally the same as using it to treat all black people like they are poor.
If someone were to use the statistics to "Ask" black people if they know black people are on average poor and "Give them the choice" of shopping elsewhere because they probably can't afford it here, would that be racism?
Every single black person who walks in to the shop.

Ofcourse it would be.

The fact is, this study was racist against both groups involved. It treated black people like they were poor, and whites like they were rich.
In doing so, it discriminated against rich black persons and poor white persons who fell outside its model.

Denying Black people the acknowledgement of their accomplishment, and putting white people into a situation where they are socially pressured to spend more money on the basis of their skin color, not their income, disadvantaging poor whites compared to poor blacks in the situation, especially those with social anxiety and shit.

It was racism, pure and simple.

Racism is racism, no excuses

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Who knew this would become about white men..

Become?

[Albrenia]

Technically from the title, it's about white women too. I think they fall between the cracks though in this case, what with the general outlook of both sides of The Outrage.

[Radiatia]

I'm not usually an emotional person, so it's rare for me to become as disgusted, angry and depressed as I am over a news article, and yet that's exactly the reaction I have had to this story.

I never fully understood the true meaning of the phrase "useful idiot" until I saw this - Mr. Wey perfectly fits that description.

There's a reason moves like this are going to be, if not already, supported by the establishment (i.e. the media, academia, Hollywood, etc.) and that reason is that by reframing the debate over economic inequality as a debate over racial inequality, you succeed in dividing the working class.

While thankfully this poorly conceived idea is optional, the fact remains that this and similar ideas fuel resentment among the white working class, and pits them against the black working class - and the reason rich white people support this is not guilt, but the knowledge that the more the working class fight amongst each other over racial and gender lines, the less they are fighting against the establishment and their true economic oppressors.

Also for the record: This is dictionary definition racism. It's simultaneously bias in favour of one race or alternatively a belief that one race is inferior and therefore should be treated as such.

[Srianna Gestane]

I wouldn't call this 'racism'. He's raising awareness about income inequality. Yes, he's bringing it to peoples' attention that it runs starkly along racial lines, but that's not surprising. What's surprising is how stark it is, and what's useful is that he demonstrates exactly how stark it is by charging 150% more to the group that earns 150% more on average. The data he gathered is very illuminating.

People calling this 'racist' seem to be doing it just because calling things 'racist' is something they've learned is an effective way to shut down anything they want to be shut down. If you're concerned that someone pointing out a serious problem to a few dozen people makes things worse instead of helping us achieve a more equal and fair society, all I can do is assure you that's not the case.

Specifically regarding how it 'divides the working class'--if there were more 'black' people in leadership positions, I think people in leadership positions would be less likely to treat working class people as subhuman peons, regardless of race. Race-based fear also helps keep white working-class people in line, and there'd be less of that if they weren't afraid they might fail to prevent some mythical 'replacement'.

[The Alma Mater]

I wouldn't call this 'racism'. He's raising awareness about income inequality. Yes, he's bringing it to peoples' attention that it runs starkly along racial lines, but that's not surprising. What's surprising is how stark it is, and what's useful is that he demonstrates exactly how stark it is by charging 150% more to the group that earns 150% more on average. The data he gathered is very illuminating.

People calling this 'racist' seem to be doing it just because calling things 'racist' is something they've learned is an effective way to shut down anything they want to be shut down. If you're concerned that someone pointing out a serious problem to a few dozen people makes things worse instead of helping us achieve a more equal and fair society, all I can do is assure you that's not the case.

You know, when the police uses this exact same line of reasoning to pull over a car with random black people "because blacks are statistically more likely to be involved in crime" it is called "racial profiling" and people get very upset.

The guy could also just have asked EVERYONE if they wanted to pay extra (or less) - like all the restaurants with this "pay it forward" system do.
Or asked the people that arrived in a porsche wearing an Armani suit. Or - heck - a million things not related to ones skincolour.