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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:26 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Liriena wrote:"This demographic in this region, on average, earns far less than this other one," is not a stereotype.


Neither is "this demographic in this region, on average, commits far more crimes than this other one."

Indeed. It's a statistical statement of fact that can be refuted or corroborated.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:28 am

Liriena wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Neither is "this demographic in this region, on average, commits far more crimes than this other one."

Indeed. It's a statistical statement of fact that can be refuted or corroborated.

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Oh, were you trying to get a gotcha at a strawman of me or something?

What matters when you make either statement is what you follow those statements with. How are you going to explain the phenomena? What are you going to propose as a solution?
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:35 am

Liriena wrote:Indeed. It's a statistical statement of fact that can be refuted or corroborated.

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Oh, were you trying to get a gotcha at a strawman of me or something?


No I was highlighting the fact that a focus on the statistical differences between races is far more likely to be divisive than unifying.
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Postby Firaxin » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:40 am

This is racist. It isn't racist in the same way N****** is, that's way more extreme. But it is racist, in the asshole kind of way. Not only that, I'm not sure the reason for it is even solid.

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Postby Risottia » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:51 am

Idzequitch wrote:It raises awareness of a real problem without actually being discriminatory.

Exactly how is it non-discriminatory to adjust prices according to the customers' skin hue?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:53 am

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Idzequitch wrote:It raises awareness of a real problem without actually being discriminatory.

Exactly how is it non-discriminatory to adjust prices according to the customers' skin hue?

The bit where the prices aren't adjusted. People are given the option to pay extra.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:54 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Liriena wrote:Indeed. It's a statistical statement of fact that can be refuted or corroborated.

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Oh, were you trying to get a gotcha at a strawman of me or something?


No I was highlighting the fact that a focus on the statistical differences between races is far more likely to be divisive than unifying.

So?
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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:01 am

Liriena wrote:So?


So the logical position of someone who prefers racial harmony to racial conflict is "stop it."
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:08 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Liriena wrote:So?


So the logical position of someone who prefers racial harmony to racial conflict is "stop it."

Stop pointing out the problems racism has caused and is causing, that just creates racial conflict. We need to ignore these problems so we can have racial harmony.

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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:14 am

Ifreann wrote:Stop pointing out the problems racism has caused and is causing, that just creates racial conflict. We need to ignore these problems so we can have racial harmony.


Or, we should view people as individuals and diverging from that path does nothing but incite racial hostility. Is it fun? No, but it's the exact same line we give to shopkeepers whose personal experience has ingrained in them a hostility and a prejudice to black and hispanic customers that is backed by hard data.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:20 am

Ifreann wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
So the logical position of someone who prefers racial harmony to racial conflict is "stop it."

Stop pointing out the problems racism has caused and is causing, that just creates racial conflict. We need to ignore these problems so we can have racial harmony.


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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:36 am

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Doesn't matter, the excuse died when they used it to death.

Ok, when they used it, not when Wey was actually doing it.


The excuse was long dead when Wey used it.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:46 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Ok, when they used it, not when Wey was actually doing it.


The excuse was long dead when Wey used it.

No it wasn't. Not only is it not dead, Wey really was conducting a social experiment from the start.
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Postby Kramanica » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:49 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Because the only purpose it actually serves is to make this douche bag more money.

Even if that's true, and I don't think it is, this is clearly meant as a gesture. Something to make the income disparity more real for people, not just numbers on a screen.

A "gesture" that he profits off of.

"You belong to racial group X which makes more. Therefore, you should pay more."

He doesn't tell anyone they should pay more. He gives them the option to pay more.

He is quite clearly trying to get them to pay more.

Even if you're dirt poor you're still asked to pay more.

Yes. Because the idea is to raise awareness.

I don't see how that refutes anything that I've said.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:51 pm

Kramanica wrote:He is quite clearly trying to get them to pay more.

If he was, he wouldn't've given the whites a choice.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kramanica » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:57 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Kramanica wrote:He is quite clearly trying to get them to pay more.

If he was, he wouldn't've given the whites a choice.

He legally can't require them to pay more, but he is obviously trying to put pressure on them to do so.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:59 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:If he was, he wouldn't've given the whites a choice.

He legally can't require them to pay more, but he is obviously trying to put pressure on them to do so.

No he's not, if they were given a choice.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:01 pm

This is a classic case of ideals not translating into results. This is very well intentioned, but I feel like its effects are closer to antagonizing white customers and not doing much to fix the underlying issues at hand than they are to equalizing pay while providing relief.
I approve of what they are doing, but I'd go about it in a different way (charge everyone $30 and give black customers two boxes, for example).

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:39 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:This is a classic case of ideals not translating into results. This is very well intentioned, but I feel like its effects are closer to antagonizing white customers and not doing much to fix the underlying issues at hand than they are to equalizing pay while providing relief.
I approve of what they are doing, but I'd go about it in a different way (charge everyone $30 and give black customers two boxes, for example).

Good, someone else understands!
And I agree with you, this shoulda been done a different way.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:43 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Kramanica wrote:He is quite clearly trying to get them to pay more.

If he was, he wouldn't've given the whites a choice.

If he didn't give whites a choice, he would be shut down. You can't discriminate on the basis of race in this country. Forcing whites to pay more would be racial discrimination.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:03 pm

Hmm, so women were less likely to be rational consumers?

Hmm. Maybe we need to take steps to correct this problem. This could also be a driver in the price difference between men’s and women’s personal goods. Education is probably the key to fixing this economic problem.

Also, $12 for lunch? Who do they think I am, Donald Trump?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:43 pm

Galloism wrote:Hmm, so women were less likely to be rational consumers?

Hmm. Maybe we need to take steps to correct this problem. This could also be a driver in the price difference between men’s and women’s personal problems. Education is probably the key to fixing this economic problem.

Also, $12 for lunch? Who do they think I am, Donald Trump?

$12 is cheap, man. Come to Australia, you can't even get two large McDonald's value meals for less than $20
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:44 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
Galloism wrote:Hmm, so women were less likely to be rational consumers?

Hmm. Maybe we need to take steps to correct this problem. This could also be a driver in the price difference between men’s and women’s personal problems. Education is probably the key to fixing this economic problem.

Also, $12 for lunch? Who do they think I am, Donald Trump?

$12 is cheap, man. Come to Australia, you can't even get two large McDonald's value meals for less than $20

Yeah, but $1 AUD is a lot less than $1 USD.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:46 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:$12 is cheap, man. Come to Australia, you can't even get two large McDonald's value meals for less than $20

Yeah, but $1 AUD is a lot less than $1 USD.

True. Plus tax is included in the bill (that's something I don't get about North America, why is tax not included?), plus you're not obligated to tip
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:46 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
Galloism wrote:Hmm, so women were less likely to be rational consumers?

Hmm. Maybe we need to take steps to correct this problem. This could also be a driver in the price difference between men’s and women’s personal problems. Education is probably the key to fixing this economic problem.

Also, $12 for lunch? Who do they think I am, Donald Trump?

$12 is cheap, man. Come to Australia, you can't even get two large McDonald's value meals for less than $20


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