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Postby Kasynatia » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:53 pm

Imarssia wrote:People need to call it what it is: racism. If it involved asking someone to pay more "because they're black" [or asian, arab, hispanic, etc] then there would a massive outcry about this, as there should be no matter the race targeted, but when this happens to whites the issue seems to get swept under the rug. Then you see those who attempt to justify it by saying "well whites did bad stuff in the past" as if it's somehow every white persons fault for what others did.


Another perfect example, South Africa. Another example, Europe... let that sink in.

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Postby New haven america » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:55 pm

Well, my family makes much less than the black families $26,000 figure in the source, so no, I would not pay more.
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Postby Albrenia » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:56 pm

Racism, yeah. I'm not overly worried about people trying to guilt trip people though as long as they're not forcing anyone to pay more, only asking.

People try to 'raise awareness' about all sorts of shit all the time. Free speech and all.

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Postby Krasny-Volny » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:59 pm

If they have the budget to voluntarily shell out $30 for a box lunch worth only ~$12, then the vendor is having his point proven for him.

These people probably do have more money than they know what to do with.

I would either fork over my $12 for the food or walk away, because I - and most ordinary people - don't have $30 to spend on a box lunch.

Edit: After reading the OP again, I really have to congratulate the vendor for his ingenuity. He's taking full advantage of a uniquely Western phenomenon: white collar guilt. If he tried to guilt trip wealthier people back home in Lagos the same way, they would laugh at him ("my friend, the average Igbo family only makes less than $2,500 while the average Yoruba makes twice that amount, so as I can tell by your accent you are Yoruba will you pay more for your food?"). :p

Only upper class Europeans and Americans would possibly take him seriously.
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Postby New Owca » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:01 pm

Why not pay more? Because I'm living off fucking food banks and sheltered accommodation, that's why
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:00 pm

I find the accusations of racism a little puzzling. While I understand that technically singling out asking white people is defining by race, it's a means of raising awareness across the board. All customers should be aware of what he's doing, pointing out the large discrepancy in average wages between races.

What is does is make white people feel aware of being treated differently due to their skin colour, where he feels black people feel that all the time. It's simply a cute turning of the tables with no obligation to actually pay $30. And I think that lack of obligation derives from not really caring whether you pay $30 or not but simply to be aware.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:20 pm

Bombadil wrote:I find the accusations of racism a little puzzling. While I understand that technically singling out asking white people is defining by race, it's a means of raising awareness across the board. All customers should be aware of what he's doing, pointing out the large discrepancy in average wages between races.

What is does is make white people feel aware of being treated differently due to their skin colour, where he feels black people feel that all the time. It's simply a cute turning of the tables with no obligation to actually pay $30. And I think that lack of obligation derives from not really caring whether you pay $30 or not but simply to be aware.

The problem is that he's pulling an All X are Y.

Not all white people are rich and privileged, in fact, white people make up the largest poverty demographic in the US. Me for example, my family makes <10,000 a year and we barely get by. Hell, if I were to stick an ICP sticker on my 90's Toyota, I'm pretty sure I'd be pulled over every few days by cops because they thought I was meth-head. I'm already treated like shit by society, I'm aware of how much it sucks. So why am I being lumped in with the rich white people when I'm even worse off than the black families presented in the source?

Listen, it's good that he's trying to raise awareness for poverty problems, and I don't think he had any ill will behind this, but how he's going about it is quite harmful because the problem is much more complicated than "White people are all rich, Black people are all poor, etc..."
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:23 pm

New haven america wrote:The problem is that he's pulling an All X are Y.

TIL averages are universals.
Not all white people are rich and privileged, in fact, white people make up the largest poverty demographic.

Because they make up the largest racial demographic. Percentage-wise, it's not even close.
Hell, if I were to stick an ICP sticker on my 90's Toyota, I'm pretty sure I'd be pulled over every few days by cops.

lol
So why am I being lumped in with the rich white people when I'm even worse off than the black families presented in the source?

Listen, it's good that he's trying to raise awareness for poverty problems, and I don't think he had any ill will behind this, but how he's going about it is quite harmful because the problem is much more complicated than "White people are all rich, Black people are all poor, etc..."

Then you clearly didn't understand the point being made.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:28 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
New haven america wrote:The problem is that he's pulling an All X are Y.

1. TIL averages are universals.
Not all white people are rich and privileged, in fact, white people make up the largest poverty demographic.

2. Because they make up the largest racial demographic. Percentage-wise, it's not even close.
Hell, if I were to stick an ICP sticker on my 90's Toyota, I'm pretty sure I'd be pulled over every few days by cops.

3.lol
So why am I being lumped in with the rich white people when I'm even worse off than the black families presented in the source?

Listen, it's good that he's trying to raise awareness for poverty problems, and I don't think he had any ill will behind this, but how he's going about it is quite harmful because the problem is much more complicated than "White people are all rich, Black people are all poor, etc..."

4.Then you clearly didn't understand the point being made.

1. I'm glad you learned, maybe you could share this new info with him?
2. Percentage wise it's actually closer than you think (A little under half, actually)
3. Got it, my poverty is funny to you. I also live in an ant infested rathole if you want more material.
4. Then you clearly don't understand the point I was making.
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Postby Mujahidah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:35 pm

I think he's trying to make a valid point, but he's doing it in a way that will just get drowned out in controversy and outrage culture and not achieve anything, and might actually be a violation of the Civil Rights Act to boot.
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:42 pm

Bombadil wrote:I find the accusations of racism a little puzzling. While I understand that technically singling out asking white people is defining by race, it's a means of raising awareness across the board. All customers should be aware of what he's doing, pointing out the large discrepancy in average wages between races.

What is does is make white people feel aware of being treated differently due to their skin colour, where he feels black people feel that all the time. It's simply a cute turning of the tables with no obligation to actually pay $30. And I think that lack of obligation derives from not really caring whether you pay $30 or not but simply to be aware.


Way I see it, this isn't a matter of race or social perspective.

The man is a genius who found a way to get more money from his customers without actually doing anything.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:42 pm

Krasny-Volny wrote:
Bombadil wrote:I find the accusations of racism a little puzzling. While I understand that technically singling out asking white people is defining by race, it's a means of raising awareness across the board. All customers should be aware of what he's doing, pointing out the large discrepancy in average wages between races.

What is does is make white people feel aware of being treated differently due to their skin colour, where he feels black people feel that all the time. It's simply a cute turning of the tables with no obligation to actually pay $30. And I think that lack of obligation derives from not really caring whether you pay $30 or not but simply to be aware.


Way I see it, this isn't a matter of race or social perspective.

The man is a genius who found a way to get more money from his customers without actually doing anything.

Shhh... don't share his secrets.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:45 pm

New haven america wrote:1. I'm glad you learned, maybe you could share this new info with him?
4. Then you clearly don't understand the point I was making.

The irony is palpable.
2. Percentage wise it's actually closer than you think (A little under half, actually)

10% of whites are under the poverty line

30% of blacks are

That's not even getting into higher-level wage inequality.
3. Got it, my poverty is funny to you. I also live in an ant infested rathole if you want more material.

"If I stuck a band sticker on my car I bet I'd get pulled over just as much too =^^^("

"lol"

"GLAD YOU FIND MY POVERTY FUNNY"

You got a real persecution complex going on.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:46 pm

Mujahidah wrote:I think he's trying to make a valid point, but he's doing it in a way that will just get drowned out in controversy and outrage culture and not achieve anything, and might actually be a violation of the Civil Rights Act to boot.

It's not a demand. If people want to pay the lower price, they can. How is that a violation of the CRA?
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Postby Puldania » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:52 pm

New haven america wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:1. TIL averages are universals.

2. Because they make up the largest racial demographic. Percentage-wise, it's not even close.

3.lol

4.Then you clearly didn't understand the point being made.

1. I'm glad you learned, maybe you could share this new info with him?
2. Percentage wise it's actually closer than you think (A little under half, actually)
3. Got it, my poverty is funny to you. I also live in an ant infested rathole if you want more material.
4. Then you clearly don't understand the point I was making.

You have internet, which is more than a lot of african-american families have.
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Postby Planet Beta Sigmus » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:56 pm

I think it's time the government charter a free boat back to Africa for any black american who has this much trouble getting along with white people

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Postby New haven america » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:59 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. I'm glad you learned, maybe you could share this new info with him?
4. Then you clearly don't understand the point I was making.

1. The irony is palpable.
2. Percentage wise it's actually closer than you think (A little under half, actually)

2.10% of whites are under the poverty line

30% of blacks are

That's not even getting into higher-level wage inequality.
3. Got it, my poverty is funny to you. I also live in an ant infested rathole if you want more material.

3.a."If I stuck a band sticker on my car I bet I'd get pulled over just as much too =^^^("

3b."lol"

"GLAD YOU FIND MY POVERTY FUNNY"

3c.You got a real persecution complex going on.

1. What, that you think you know what you're talking about? Cause I find it pretty funny.
2. Actually, it's 22 compared to 9, so I repeat my point: A little under half. Can you into math?
3a. I see you don't understand this point: ICP were considered a hybrid gang by the FBI and are very popular among poor white people in the US (I think they're trash, but that's just my musical opinion). Hence, it's very common for cops to pull over people who show those types of symbols on their cars as a cops think they're either using or dealing meth.
B. I was joking. Can you joke too, fellow human? Or did you not update that patch?
C. I actually don't cause that's non-constructive to getting out of poverty, but sure, have fun with your hasty generalizations.

So are you actually willing to listen now, or not?
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Postby Puldania » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:05 pm

New haven america wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:1. The irony is palpable.

2.10% of whites are under the poverty line

30% of blacks are

That's not even getting into higher-level wage inequality.

3.a."If I stuck a band sticker on my car I bet I'd get pulled over just as much too =^^^("

3b."lol"

"GLAD YOU FIND MY POVERTY FUNNY"

3c.You got a real persecution complex going on.

1. What, that you think you know what you're talking about? Cause I find it pretty funny.
2. Actually, it's 22 compared to 9, so I repeat my point: A little under half. Can you into math?
3a. I see you don't understand this point: ICP were considered a hybrid gang by the FBI and are very popular among poor white people in the US (I think they're trash, but that's just my musical opinion). Hence, it's very common for cops to pull over people who show those types of symbols on their cars as a cops think they're either using or dealing meth.
B. I was joking. Can you joke too, fellow human? Or did you not update that patch?
C. I actually don't cause that's non-constructive to getting out of poverty, but sure, have fun with your hasty generalizations.

So are you actually willing to listen now, or not?

Don't be facetious.
You weren't joking and everyone in this thread knows it too.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:08 pm

Puldania wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. What, that you think you know what you're talking about? Cause I find it pretty funny.
2. Actually, it's 22 compared to 9, so I repeat my point: A little under half. Can you into math?
3a. I see you don't understand this point: ICP were considered a hybrid gang by the FBI and are very popular among poor white people in the US (I think they're trash, but that's just my musical opinion). Hence, it's very common for cops to pull over people who show those types of symbols on their cars as a cops think they're either using or dealing meth.
B. I was joking. Can you joke too, fellow human? Or did you not update that patch?
C. I actually don't cause that's non-constructive to getting out of poverty, but sure, have fun with your hasty generalizations.

So are you actually willing to listen now, or not?

Don't be facetious.
You weren't joking and everyone in this thread knows it too.

Uh-huh.

You see, this is the issue, your point and rattling off what comes to mind. What sounds better, dividing each other by race and economics, or acknowledging the problems of people and working together to fix those?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:13 pm

Planet Beta Sigmus wrote:I think it's time the government charter a free boat back to Africa for any black american who has this much trouble getting along with white people

Instead of attacking racial inequality, let's deport US citizens! That's worked before!
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:14 pm

Kasynatia wrote:
Imarssia wrote:People need to call it what it is: racism. If it involved asking someone to pay more "because they're black" [or asian, arab, hispanic, etc] then there would a massive outcry about this, as there should be no matter the race targeted, but when this happens to whites the issue seems to get swept under the rug. Then you see those who attempt to justify it by saying "well whites did bad stuff in the past" as if it's somehow every white persons fault for what others did.


Another perfect example, South Africa. Another example, Europe... let that sink in.

What's that supposed to mean?
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Postby Puldania » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:15 pm

New haven america wrote:
Puldania wrote:Don't be facetious.
You weren't joking and everyone in this thread knows it too.

Uh-huh.

You see, this is the issue, your point and rattling off what comes to mind. What sounds better, dividing each other by race and economics, or acknowledging the problems of people and working together to fix those?

oh my god what will I do now? The brilliant New haven america has defeated me with their superior logic!
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Postby New haven america » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:18 pm

Puldania wrote:
New haven america wrote:Uh-huh.

You see, this is the issue, your point and rattling off what comes to mind. What sounds better, dividing each other by race and economics, or acknowledging the problems of people and working together to fix those?

oh my god what will I do now? The brilliant New haven america has defeated me with their superior logic!

And you've been proven incapable of making logical points, or any points for that matter, in the thread.
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