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Postby Bombadil » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:25 am

Here we go..

Imagine standing in a line for lunch. The customer in front you pays $12 for his food box but when you go to pay for the same product, the chef asks if you’re willing to shell out $30 instead.

Why? Because you’re white.


That's ridiculous you say, just another example of the all out attack on white people in America!

Nearly 80% of white customers agreed to pay the inflated price for a pre-fixed Nigerian food box lunch at Wey’s Saartje food stand – after he explained that the request was meant to shine a light on New Orleans’ dramatic and widening income gap.

Wait what? The fools, why not just stand in the firing line. Don't they see what's happening?

Median net income for white families in New Orleans is more than $63,000. For black families, it is just below $26,000. Wey’s $18 food price gap was intended to approximate this earnings gap, which has been growing since cataclysmic flooding after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 radically reshaped the city.

“First I introduce the facts and as a white person, you are now an antagonist in this framework,” Wey said. “But I offer you an easy out. You can pay $12 or you can pay $30. What are you going to do?”


Pay the equal price as we live in an equal choice society of course. What next, are we going to make allowances for women too?

Trends still emerged. For example, white patrons who decided to pay the $30 were more likely to be female: 91% of white women did so compared with just 55% of white men.

Men are clearly vastly more attuned to free market philosophy.

“I don’t think it’s as difficult to talk to a woman and tell her, ‘There’s something about my personhood that I have nothing to do with and it’s affecting my income and affecting what I can achieve in life,’” said Anjali Prasertong, a nutritionist and writer who was enlisted by Wey to collect data.

“Pretty much every woman has experienced that herself.”


Yeah yeah, the old white men are advantaged, show me any evidence.. other than ratio of presidents.. or CEOs.. or upper management.. or..

Wey, who was born in Nigeria, said he was responding to the “Eurocentric perspective of popular food culture”. Inspired by the Black Lives Matter movement, he is planning to mount his next culinary social experiment in Detroit in late April.

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Still, the point of the experiment was not to redistribute wealth. It was to start a conversation.

“This isn’t going to change the racial wealth disparities in the city,” Wey said. “It was meant to show, in principle, what the burden of cost looks like for people who have less resources.”


Is this a welcome choice to give to society to make them think or just another means of attacking the endangered species?
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Postby Anime North America » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:27 am

Pure ideology.

I take that back, actually. I can sympathize with their goals, but I'd reckon this is a ham-fisted way of going about it.
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Postby Kavagrad » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:31 am

Isn't this just your typical free-market price discrimination?

That being said, inb4 white ancaps and neoliberals flood this thread to oppose this, I guess.
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Postby Idzequitch » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:33 am

It raises awareness of a real problem without actually being discriminatory. How effective will it actually be? I don't know. Will it lead to anything actually being done about the problem? Probably not. But he has a voice, and he's using it. I'm okay with this.
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Postby Auphelia » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:34 am

Doesn't this simply turn into a case of punishing people for the colour of their skin? Many may receive systemic advantages, but should they be treated differently because of the circumstances to which they were born?
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:34 am

Anime North America wrote:Pure ideology.

I take that back, actually. I can sympathize with their goals, but I'd reckon this is a ham-fisted way of going about it.


I was going to question whether you'd read it given your response time. Let's be fair, it's a choice but another quote in the article notes..

“It made it more of a personal decision. I think it’s a little bit of both, and it’s a little bit of white guilt. I’m like, ‘Yeah, yeah, what else am I going to say? There’s not much!’”

Given the stark facts of the economic disparity, and note this was in a relatively wealthy district.. it can be accused of somewhat forcing the choice. Not that everyone took it.

However, other than it being a food pun, why ham-fisted - not challenging, just asking.
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:38 am

I don't like this intersectional moralizing. Props to them for at least making the extra payment optional... I do not believe in 'affirmative action', governmental or private, and while this business of course has the right to sell its products however it wants, I personally think that it's not even a smidgeon better than asking a black person to pay more instead. Will not perform a voluntary exchange with these people, for sure.
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Postby Kavagrad » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:39 am

Auphelia wrote:Doesn't this simply turn into a case of punishing people for the colour of their skin? Many may receive systemic advantages, but should they be treated differently because of the circumstances to which they were born?

No, they're being given a choice. It's not a punishment by any description, only the option to pay what some may see as a more moral price, given their circumstances.
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Postby Idzequitch » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:39 am

Auphelia wrote:Doesn't this simply turn into a case of punishing people for the colour of their skin? Many may receive systemic advantages, but should they be treated differently because of the circumstances to which they were born?

I think the point is that people already are treated differently because of the circumstances to which they were born.
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:39 am

Kavagrad wrote:Isn't this just your typical free-market price discrimination?

That being said, inb4 white ancaps and neoliberals flood this thread to oppose this, I guess.

This is [edit]mildly[edit] racist, but a free market should correct these trends, reducing Mr. Wey’s customer base, forcing him to lower prices. Of course, we will see how that works out.
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Postby Zipangese Star Empire » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:40 am

I'd be completely against paying more just because I'm white. I'm poor myself in the UK, stuck raising two kids because a certain member of my family decided to put their drug addiction first then leave their kids with me. I don't care if the guy who just happens to be of another skin colour gets paid less then me. That's not my problem. My problem is what immediately concerns me. The kids concern me, having money left over for other meals concerns me. Not paying more because I'm white. That doesn't concern me. And it will never concern me.
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Postby Idzequitch » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:41 am

Kavagrad wrote:
Auphelia wrote:Doesn't this simply turn into a case of punishing people for the colour of their skin? Many may receive systemic advantages, but should they be treated differently because of the circumstances to which they were born?

No, they're being given a choice. It's not a punishment by any description, only the option to pay what some may see as a more moral price, given their circumstances.

Plus the effect of this action lies mostly in the asking. Ought to get people thinkng a little, even if they opt out as they're able to do.
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Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:Isn't this just your typical free-market price discrimination?

That being said, inb4 white ancaps and neoliberals flood this thread to oppose this, I guess.

This is racist, but a free market should correct these trends, reducing Mr. Wey’s customer base, forcing him to lower prices. Of course, we will see how that works out.


it's a bit more complicated than that; Mr. Wey will probably have more than enough customers of color, especially now that he's been given publicity. In Dublin, there is a cafe dubbed 'The White Moose', paired up with a hotel. They have alienated vegans, the gluten-free and the entire nations of Brazil, but their tables are still always full.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:42 am

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:Isn't this just your typical free-market price discrimination?

That being said, inb4 white ancaps and neoliberals flood this thread to oppose this, I guess.

This is [edit]mildly[edit] racist, but a free market should correct these trends, reducing Mr. Wey’s customer base, forcing him to lower prices. Of course, we will see how that works out.


Why? Anyone and everyone can choose to pay $12.
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Postby Kavagrad » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:45 am

Zipangese Star Empire wrote:I'd be completely against paying more just because I'm white. I'm poor myself in the UK, stuck raising two kids because a certain member of my family decided to put their drug addiction first then leave their kids with me. I don't care if the guy who just happens to be of another skin colour gets paid less then me. That's not my problem. My problem is what immediately concerns me. The kids concern me, having money left over for other meals concerns me. Not paying more because I'm white. That doesn't concern me. And it will never concern me.

And that's where the choice aspect comes in. This doesn't force anyone to pay more, only suggests that they can if the wish, and setting out the reasons why they are allowed to do so. Nobody reasonably expects poor whites to pay far higher prices that they can't afford, and that isn't what this pushes for. It raises awareness for the income gap in the area.
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Postby Idzequitch » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:48 am

Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:Isn't this just your typical free-market price discrimination?

That being said, inb4 white ancaps and neoliberals flood this thread to oppose this, I guess.

This is [edit]mildly[edit] racist, but a free market should correct these trends, reducing Mr. Wey’s customer base, forcing him to lower prices. Of course, we will see how that works out.

Might not optional reverse racism be warranted to bring awareness to actual racism that exists in the economic system?

In doing so, white people aren't actually being punished, but are being given occasion to think about an actual issue that many of their fellow Americans face.
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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:49 am

Bombadil wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:This is [edit]mildly[edit] racist, but a free market should correct these trends, reducing Mr. Wey’s customer base, forcing him to lower prices. Of course, we will see how that works out.


Why? Anyone and everyone can choose to pay $12.

I would be annoyed if I got lectured on the sins that are not my own every time I went to the shop. (As I am white)

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Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:This is racist, but a free market should correct these trends, reducing Mr. Wey’s customer base, forcing him to lower prices. Of course, we will see how that works out.


it's a bit more complicated than that; Mr. Wey will probably have more than enough customers of color, especially now that he's been given publicity. In Dublin, there is a cafe dubbed 'The White Moose', paired up with a hotel. They have alienated vegans, the gluten-free and the entire nations of Brazil, but their tables are still always full.

Indeed, it is more complicated than I made it out. Hence I said, we will see how this works out.
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Postby Auphelia » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:49 am

Idzequitch wrote:I think the point is that people already are treated differently because of the circumstances to which they were born.


This is often true, but it is often on the basis of wealth rather than race. I am not very well-versed in American racial politics, but aren't most people wealthy or poor based off of racist economic policies from the last century whose effects can still be felt due to America's unwillingness to help those in need? Because of this I believe it is more of a general concept rather than a hard and fast rule that white people in America are rich and the black people in America are poor. Money can get you anywhere, regardless of race.
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Postby Novowarsawianka » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:50 am

Kavagrad wrote:Isn't this just your typical free-market price discrimination?

That being said, inb4 white ancaps and neoliberals flood this thread to oppose this, I guess.


No, it is not, the free market does not mold it's prices to things like race. It is why it is called the FREE market. The same service provided by the same operator in the same area has the same price for all customers, because profit does not see race.

Instead of raising prices for whites, why doesn't this guy just lower the prices for black customers? Oh right, I forgot, doing something actually cheritable ain't as much a sensation as race-baiting.

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Postby The South Falls » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:51 am

If everyone can choose, well I'm fine with this. Maybe if they donated some of that extra money to a charity made to fix the income gap, then this might be better.
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Postby Kavagrad » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:52 am

Novowarsawianka wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:Isn't this just your typical free-market price discrimination?

That being said, inb4 white ancaps and neoliberals flood this thread to oppose this, I guess.


No, it is not, the free market does not mold it's prices to things like race. It is why it is called the FREE market. The same service provided by the same operator in the same area has the same price for all customers, because profit does not see race.

Instead of raising prices for whites, why doesn't this guy just lower the prices for black customers? Oh right, I forgot, doing something actually cheritable ain't as much a sensation as race-baiting.


Or because businesses require profit to survive?

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Postby Bombadil » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:52 am

Novowarsawianka wrote:Instead of raising prices for whites, why doesn't this guy just lower the prices for black customers?


Wey offered to redistribute the extra money back to black patrons, the majority of whom did not take him up on the offer. Some, he said, asked if they could pay $30 too.

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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:53 am

Idzequitch wrote:
Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:This is [edit]mildly[edit] racist, but a free market should correct these trends, reducing Mr. Wey’s customer base, forcing him to lower prices. Of course, we will see how that works out.

Might not optional reverse racism be warranted to bring awareness to actual racism that exists in the economic system?

In doing so, white people aren't actually being punished, but are being given occasion to think about an actual issue that many of their fellow Americans face.

And an occasion to enrich the shop owner. It would seem more transparent to put a doantion box on the counter for Black Lives Matter, rather than giving a fellow eighteen dollars more, only because makes you think about a problem in which he probably bares similar relation to you.

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Postby Jackania yugo » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:54 am

Bombadil wrote:
Novowarsawianka wrote:Instead of raising prices for whites, why doesn't this guy just lower the prices for black customers?


Wey offered to redistribute the extra money back to black patrons, the majority of whom did not take him up on the offer. Some, he said, asked if they could pay $30 too.

Oops..


It's still racism.

Racism=bad.
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