Is St. Patrick's Day "Cultural Appropriation"?

[Vassenor]

Can't people just enjoy this relatively minor holiday without bringing identity politics into it? Why is the left sour about literally anything remotely enjoyable?

Yes, how dare people have a problem with negative stereotypes about them.

[Post War America]

I mean, think about it. The left considers white people wearing braids or folks having their children dress up as some sort of other cultural icon as Cultural Appropriation, yet when an Irish holiday, may I mention commemerating a saint, is celebrated by non-irish or slightly irish people in USA by drinking themselves silly, partying hard, and then having a one night stand. This seems like a pretty heavy double standard to me.

I'd just like to clarify that i'm not saying that St. Paddy's day should be deemed a bad or insensitive holiday, just that the fact that Social Justice isn't all over it shows how much of a double standard they got against white folks

Saint Patrick's Day (as it is celebrated in the United States at least), is an Irish-American holiday eagerly endorsed and celebrated by Irish-Americans. That is not the same as putting on, for example, black face, dressing like a gangster and parading around on Halloween being "black". It is also worth noting that while Irish-Americans did historically face oppression, that is not common knowledge thanks in large part to the efforts of Irish-Americans themselves to "Americanize" and distance themselves from their much more oppressed forbears.

[Liriena]

Can't people just enjoy this relatively minor holiday without bringing identity politics into it? Why is the left sour about literally anything remotely enjoyable?

Getting drunk with lots of other people is fun. But that doesn't mean we can't ask ourselves what the implications are of a traditional Irish holiday being transformed into a day of corporate-sponsored public drunkenness. Hell, we can do both things at once! Drunk hot takes, I call them. :3

[Teuthania]

Cultural appropriation isn't a bad thing. And of course, the SJW's don't really care, they're only trying to win brownie points with the "pee oh cee's".

[Post War America]

Can't people just enjoy this relatively minor holiday without bringing identity politics into it? Why is the left sour about literally anything remotely enjoyable?

Liberals are not the left mate, I should like to enjoy Saint Patrick's Day. I won't but that's because I live in Massachusetts, one of the cultural centers of Irish-Americans, and will be trapped inside for fear of running into drunken mobs, which really do show up in droves on that day.

[Liriena]

Cultural appropriation isn't a bad thing. And of course, the SJW's don't really care, they're only trying to win brownie points with the "pee oh cee's".

Overgeneralizations make me hot. :3

[The Grene Knyght]

Can't people just enjoy this relatively minor holiday without bringing identity politics into it? Why is the left sour about literally anything remotely enjoyable?

Cultural appropriation isn't a bad thing. And of course, the SJW's don't really care, they're only trying to win brownie points with the "pee oh cee's".

Its really interesting to me how you, and other people who posted earlier, are so ready to believe that there's a ravenous horde of evil SJWs trying to ban paddy's day. If you'd only engage with a dialogue with people you disagree with rather than assume you know what their beliefs are, you'd learn a lot more about the world. The OP should remove the clickbait title so we don't get quite so much of this nonsense.

[Teuthania]

Can't people just enjoy this relatively minor holiday without bringing identity politics into it? Why is the left sour about literally anything remotely enjoyable?

Cultural appropriation isn't a bad thing. And of course, the SJW's don't really care, they're only trying to win brownie points with the "pee oh cee's".

Its really interesting to me how you, and other people who posted earlier, are so ready to believe that there's a ravenous horde of evil SJWs trying to ban paddy's day. If you'd only engage with a dialogue with people you disagree with rather than assume you know what their beliefs are, you'd learn a lot more about the world. The OP should remove the clickbait title so we don't get quite so much of this nonsense.

My point was more that I don't think we'll be seeing any SJW's trying to ban saint patrick's day any time soon

[Cekoviu]

Can't people just enjoy this relatively minor holiday without bringing identity politics into it? Why is the left sour about literally anything remotely enjoyable?

Yes, the left is the one who is making this about cultural appropriation. Definitely. It's not like a rightist made the thread to discuss how terrible the left is for things that leftists aren't actually doing.

[Cekoviu]

Its really interesting to me how you, and other people who posted earlier, are so ready to believe that there's a ravenous horde of evil SJWs trying to ban paddy's day. If you'd only engage with a dialogue with people you disagree with rather than assume you know what their beliefs are, you'd learn a lot more about the world. The OP should remove the clickbait title so we don't get quite so much of this nonsense.

My point was more that I don't think we'll be seeing any SJW's trying to ban saint patrick's day any time soon

Please don't use apostrophes to pluralize initialisms.

[The Grene Knyght]

Its really interesting to me how you, and other people who posted earlier, are so ready to believe that there's a ravenous horde of evil SJWs trying to ban paddy's day. If you'd only engage with a dialogue with people you disagree with rather than assume you know what their beliefs are, you'd learn a lot more about the world. The OP should remove the clickbait title so we don't get quite so much of this nonsense.

My point was more that I don't think we'll be seeing any SJW's trying to ban saint patrick's day any time soon

Thats not what it looks like. You were using present tense. You said "the SJW's don't really care, they're only trying to win brownie points with the 'pee oh cee's'". Seems to me that you believe that there's a number of people (who you'd term as 'SJW's), who are trying (albeit, you admit, not because they actually care), to have st patrick's day be classified as appropriation. Am I misinterpreting you here? There's nothing in that post that would even begin to imply, as far as I can tell, that your point was that you "don't think we'll be seeing any SJW's trying to ban saint patrick's day"

[Teuthania]

My point was more that I don't think we'll be seeing any SJW's trying to ban saint patrick's day any time soon

Thats not what it looks like. You were using present tense. You said "the SJW's don't really care, they're only trying to win brownie points with the 'pee oh cee's'". Seems to me that you believe that there's a number of people (who you'd term as 'SJW's), who are trying (albeit, you admit, not because they actually care), to have st patrick's day be classified as appropriation. Am I misinterpreting you here? There's nothing in that post that would even begin to imply, as far as I can tell, that your point was that you "don't think we'll be seeing any SJW's trying to ban saint patrick's day"

I should have been more clear, given the context. I was referring to the fact that SJWs don't seem to care about cultural appropriation between white people.

And for that matter, I haven't seen anyone get upset over cultural appropriation between non-white people either. And so I have observed SJWs only really care, for example, when it's white people wearing synthetic dreadlocks or braiding yarn into their hair (despite the fact that historically white people have dreaded their hair just as much as anyone else) but don't really care if someone from any other ethnicity that isn't largely known for dreading their hair or other does, just as long as they're not white.

[Cekoviu]

Thats not what it looks like. You were using present tense. You said "the SJW's don't really care, they're only trying to win brownie points with the 'pee oh cee's'". Seems to me that you believe that there's a number of people (who you'd term as 'SJW's), who are trying (albeit, you admit, not because they actually care), to have st patrick's day be classified as appropriation. Am I misinterpreting you here? There's nothing in that post that would even begin to imply, as far as I can tell, that your point was that you "don't think we'll be seeing any SJW's trying to ban saint patrick's day"

I should have been more clear, given the context. I was referring to the fact that SJWs don't seem to care about cultural appropriation between white people.

I'm an SJW and don't care about cultural appropriation at all, so there goes your point.

[Serrono]

Here we go.

Cultural appropriation is not necessary a bad thing. It refers to the use of one element of a culture by another. This is not a bad thing. It is a facet of globalization and an interconnected world. Like most things, the term takes on positive or negative connotations dependent on how it is applied. Cultural appropriation that respects the culture or tries to bring a positive light to it is good cultural appropriation. Moana, for example, was created by two white directors and majority-white producers, but it was diligent and steadfast in ensuring proper representation of the natives and the setting it was trying to represent, whereas Pocahontas, while it tried to be respectful, dissolved into stereotypes and led to more misinformation.

Celebrating Saint Patrick's day if you are not Irish is not a bad thing if you respect Irish culture and the meaning of St. Patrick. That having been said, Most Americans do not do this. It annoys me as a religious person and a person who respects St. Patrick that people use a day to commemorate a great saint to run afoul and bathe in decadence, but oh well.

[The Grene Knyght]

Thats not what it looks like. You were using present tense. You said "the SJW's don't really care, they're only trying to win brownie points with the 'pee oh cee's'". Seems to me that you believe that there's a number of people (who you'd term as 'SJW's), who are trying (albeit, you admit, not because they actually care), to have st patrick's day be classified as appropriation. Am I misinterpreting you here? There's nothing in that post that would even begin to imply, as far as I can tell, that your point was that you "don't think we'll be seeing any SJW's trying to ban saint patrick's day"

I should have been more clear, given the context. I was referring to the fact that SJWs don't seem to care about cultural appropriation between white people.

Fair enough, my mistake. But it still seems like this thread is an echo chamber between the OP and the posters - The OP is making a statement about what SJWs beleive, and people are chiming in agreement, without actually talking to the people whose beliefs they are discussing.

[The Burke Islands]

Cultural appropriation is stupid in most, if not all, cases.

I have heavy Irish ancestry, and don’t give a shit if you wear green, drink yourself under the table, and use an incredibly offensive Irish accent, who gives a shit, just enjoy yourself.

[Teuthania]

I should have been more clear, given the context. I was referring to the fact that SJWs don't seem to care about cultural appropriation between white people.

I'm an SJW and don't care about cultural appropriation at all, so there goes your point.

Well, good for you. I'm mostly referring to the vocal majority and people I've actually talked to.

[Teuthania]

I should have been more clear, given the context. I was referring to the fact that SJWs don't seem to care about cultural appropriation between white people.

Fair enough, my mistake. But it still seems like this thread is an echo chamber between the OP and the posters - The OP is making a statement about what SJWs beleive, and people are chiming in agreement, without actually talking to the people whose beliefs they are discussing.

Yeah, that is pretty redundant

[Ethel mermania]

Can't people just enjoy this relatively minor holiday without bringing identity politics into it? Why is the left sour about literally anything remotely enjoyable?

Yes, how dare people have a problem with negative stereotypes about them.

The weird thing is that in this specific instance, it's the Irish who are perpetuating the stereotype, and the cultural appropriations, "On st. Patrick's day, everybody is irish" isn't something a Brit said.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I mean, think about it. The left considers white people wearing braids or folks having their children dress up as some sort of other cultural icon as Cultural Appropriation, yet when an Irish holiday, may I mention commemerating a saint, is celebrated by non-irish or slightly irish people in USA by drinking themselves silly, partying hard, and then having a one night stand. This seems like a pretty heavy double standard to me.

I'd just like to clarify that i'm not saying that St. Paddy's day should be deemed a bad or insensitive holiday, just that the fact that Social Justice isn't all over it shows how much of a double standard they got against white folks

You are confusing the "Left" for a tiny miniscule fringe minority. Personally I couldn't give two fucks about a white person with dreadlocks or cornrows listening to rap or something and I also don't give half a shit if a black person gets drunk on Saint Patrick's day. This is America and in my country you can celebrate st patricks day, kwanza, and cinco de mayo and if anyone starts crying then they may suck your little Chinese firecracker. American isn't a race it is a collection culture.

BTW if you want to see something funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_6V0HbSjzA

[Cupofchar]

A bit of cultural appropriation can be ok in my books - a good night out on paddy's day, carribean carnivals, melas, bring it on- it makes life more interesting and you have a good time.

[Cill Airne]

The weird thing is that in this specific instance, it's the Irish who are perpetuating the stereotype, and the cultural appropriations, "On st. Patrick's day, everybody is irish" isn't something a Brit said.

It's not something the Irish said either. It tends to be something Irish-Americans, or at least something people who perceive themselves to be Irish American say. It tends to be said by the same people who say St. Patty's instead of St. Paddy, which does spark a some discussion in Ireland every year about (some) Americans not even being able to get the spelling right. And to be fair, the spelling gets more attention than "cultural appropriation".

[Ethel mermania]

The weird thing is that in this specific instance, it's the Irish who are perpetuating the stereotype, and the cultural appropriations, "On st. Patrick's day, everybody is irish" isn't something a Brit said.

It's not something the Irish said either. It tends to be something Irish-Americans, or at least something people who perceive themselves to be Irish American say. It tends to be said by the same people who say St. Patty's instead of St. Paddy, which does spark a some discussion in Ireland every year about (some) Americans not even being able to get the spelling right. And to be fair, the spelling gets more attention than "cultural appropriation".

It is what the off the boat folks say. That said, I can not argue that 8t seems we, especially in NYC, pay more att3ntion to the holiday than the folks in Ireland do.

[Ifreann]

Can't people just enjoy this relatively minor holiday without bringing identity politics into it? Why is the left sour about literally anything remotely enjoyable?

Cultural appropriation isn't a bad thing. And of course, the SJW's don't really care, they're only trying to win brownie points with the "pee oh cee's".

Its really interesting to me how you, and other people who posted earlier, are so ready to believe that there's a ravenous horde of evil SJWs trying to ban paddy's day. If you'd only engage with a dialogue with people you disagree with rather than assume you know what their beliefs are, you'd learn a lot more about the world. The OP should remove the clickbait title so we don't get quite so much of this nonsense.

A thread without thoughtless liberal bashing? You're talking crazy.

[Cill Airne]

It's not something the Irish said either. It tends to be something Irish-Americans, or at least something people who perceive themselves to be Irish American say. It tends to be said by the same people who say St. Patty's instead of St. Paddy, which does spark a some discussion in Ireland every year about (some) Americans not even being able to get the spelling right. And to be fair, the spelling gets more attention than "cultural appropriation".

It is what the off the boat folks say. That said, I can not argue that 8t seems we, especially in NYC, pay more att3ntion to the holiday than the folks in Ireland do.

Well, I can't speak for what those who emigrate say but I've never heard anyone say it here. As for American's paying more attention to the holiday than we do here... Do you really, though?