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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:59 am

Valrifell wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:You still haven't explained how the Germans, Italians, and Ethiopians are dead cultures.

The only people who say they're dead are those who believe Germany and Italy died with the migrant crisis (and those who believe the Italian invasion caused the Ethiopians to die off)


Jesus, okay, let me spell this out, the bolded was to be taken as a concession, or a workaround depending on what you're looking for.

You still haven't explained why getting upset at (certain) cultural appropriation is the wrong response.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:59 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:You still haven't explained why getting upset at (certain) cultural appropriation is the wrong response.

Because it's human nature

Even if it did exist, it is human nature to take from other cultures.


Except when it's done just to be extremely tasteless, then it's just stupid.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:59 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:White niggers, was the technical term.

It’s finny how quickly we forget
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:It’s finny how quickly we forget
I imagine one day there will be many people who don’t understand Jews were oppressed

"one day"

I've got some bad news

I mean the majority of people not the racist holocaust deniers
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:02 am

Valrifell wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Because it's human nature

Even if it did exist, it is human nature to take from other cultures.


Except when it's done just to be extremely tasteless, then it's just stupid.

Then it's not "Cultural Appropriation" and is just being an ass.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:03 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:White niggers, was the technical term.

It’s finny how quickly we forget
I imagine one day there will be many people who don’t understand Jews were oppressed

That day is a lot sooner than you think. Unfortunately oppression is one of the things we humans are pretty good at.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:03 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
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Except when it's done just to be extremely tasteless, then it's just stupid.

Then it's not "Cultural Appropriation" and is just being an ass.


That is actually what most people mean when they say "cultural appropriation."
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:05 am

Valrifell wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Then it's not "Cultural Appropriation" and is just being an ass.


That is actually what most people mean when they say "cultural appropriation."

Then why don't they call it what it is instead of making up some word so they won't look as bad when they call a cowboy an asshole for wearing Mexican hats?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:09 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
That is actually what most people mean when they say "cultural appropriation."

Then why don't they call it what it is instead of making up some word so they won't look as bad when they call a cowboy an asshole for wearing Mexican hats?


Except if you are going to cowboy, Mexican hats are a good alternative, they breath better than traditional cowboy hats
, so you stay cooler, and give more protection against the sun.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:12 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Then why don't they call it what it is instead of making up some word so they won't look as bad when they call a cowboy an asshole for wearing Mexican hats?


Except if you are going to cowboy, Mexican hats are a good alternative, they breath better than traditional cowboy hats
, so you stay cooler, and give more protection against the sun.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:41 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:I commemorate the day of the saint. As for Irish in my country, if they don't like it, they can get out


Right, just randomly force people to leave a country they were born in because they don't like the idea of having stereotypes about them flaunted on a day that's meant to be culturally significant to them.

They better decide if they are Irish, or American.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:49 am

Greed and Death wrote:Judgement is final it is cultural Appropriation. Alcohol is now banned at all Saint Patrick's days events.

Sounds good to me.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:52 am

Those Irish, insensitively culturally appropriating the Romano-British scion of good Romano-British stock from (possibly) Cumbria as a national symbol. What's even worse is that he only made it to Ireland because he was captured and enslaved by cruel and barbarous Irish pirates.

Unless the Irish start speaking Common Brittonic, and can demonstrate some sort of socio-political connection with 5th-century sub-Roman Britain, then they need to drop Saint Patrick and start venerating a proper Irish saint.

May I suggest Saint Elvis?

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Postby The Grene Knyght » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:54 am

Cultural appropriation is an issue, but not nearly as much as it is sometimes made out to be. Often things that people consider to be 'cultural appropriation' are just plain ol' racism. That being said, I don't think St. Patrick's day being celebrated in the US are an example of either - and this comming from someone who is both Irish and is often accused of being an 'SJW.'
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:57 am

Nah.

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Postby Great Kauthar » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:58 am

Yes it is. Americans stop pretending to be European please thank you.

Octuagesimo wrote:It's not because the Irish aren't oppressed.

16.7% of Ireland is still occupied and 41.5% of those living in that 16.7% are persecuted by the PSNI (RUC/RIC with a different name)
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Postby Nerovia » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:02 am

It's 50/50 on this matter. Sometimes it's a celebration of Irish culture, other times it's people going a bit overboard with going green to celebrate the holiday.

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Postby Len Hyet » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:05 am

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I mean the majority of people not the racist holocaust deniers

The number of people who don't know that Jews are the most persecuted religious minority in America is staggering
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:06 am

I always thought cultural appropriation was making a mockery of a culture.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Right, just randomly force people to leave a country they were born in because they don't like the idea of having stereotypes about them flaunted on a day that's meant to be culturally significant to them.

They better decide if they are Irish, or American.

Time to deprot Afro-Americans back to Africa for disliking blackface, huh?
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Postby Hatterleigh » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:10 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hatterleigh wrote:Neither are blacks, mexicans, Indians, East Asians, or Native Americans. Sure, say what you want about history, but the Irish have had a pretty unfortunate history themselves.

White niggers, was the technical term.

In many areas people saw the Irish as worse than negroes for the time.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:They better decide if they are Irish, or American.

Time to deprot Afro-Americans back to Africa for disliking blackface, huh?

Uhh... What?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:14 am

Hatterleigh wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Time to deprot Afro-Americans back to Africa for disliking blackface, huh?

Uhh... What?


Apparently the solution to Irish-American people not liking stereotypical depictions of their culture is to leave America. We're just trying to find how deep that rabbit hole goes.
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Postby Cill Airne » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:17 am

Octuagesimo wrote:It's not because the Irish aren't oppressed.

Well, I'm personally of the mind that until the six counties are free the Irish aren't free, and I am by no means the only person who holds this opinion.

That being said, is St. Paddy's Day "Cultural Appropriation"? No.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:18 am

uhm...no it isn't?
Ireland makes a lot of money out of people with very little connection going over for st. pattricks day, and if they didn't want certain elements of their culture to be on show all the time then the people who open up the irish pubs all around the world would be public enemy number one over their.
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