Merkel admits to existance of no go zones.

[Puldania]

It would seem they are actively trying to avoid the germans and migrants from intermingling.

Trying to avoid Germans and immigrants mingling sounds like Nick Griffin shit. Never knew Merkel could stoop this low...

Merkelreich may have new connotations...

[Petrolheadia]

Your problem isn't that you bring up the topic of Muslim rapists, it's that you bring it up for no reason.

In a thread about no-go zones in Germany you have to be utterly unfamiliar with the crime situation to say "for no reason".

You brought up just rape, not other crimes, and just rape in general, not in "no-go zones".

You're discussing Muslim rape in general, not Muslim crime in no-go zones, which would more to the thread's aim.

[Blasted Craigs]

False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two completely opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.

From the article
Asked about Jamel, Mr Koester described it as "quite a normal little village". He added: "Many of the occupants have their own views, and don't want to pretend about what views they have."
Is there crime? Yep, some property damage and hurt feelings.
Birgit Lohmeyer, an author, moved from Hamburg to Jamel with her husband 10 years ago. When the Lohmeyers bought their house, they were told that a "notorious neo-Nazi" lived here. They thought they could cope with that. But since then, they have become the minority.

"It's very tense," she said. "My husband and I are the outlaws here. We are insulted, we are threatened, we are sabotaged in various ways. People drive their cars in front of ours and force us to brake. There is damage to property, our garden shed has been broken into. Our postbox has been labelled with Nazi stickers – it has been stolen.
Is it a place police will not go, aka a no go zone? Nope.

You had me thinking a town had been ransacked and attacked by Neo Nazis. Good bait, I guess.

I never stated Neo-Nazis attacked anything.

Just like any other terrorising group in the West, they just moved in.

So, although I disagree with their views personally, your claiming having Nazi views automatically makes one a terrorist? If not for their views, on what grounds do you label them terrorists?

[Rojava Free State]

Anyone who denies no go zones or claims the crime rate isn't going up in places with refugees flooding in is delusional and out of touch with reality. These refugees aren't even Syrians and most are young men between 17 and 25 years old. Why isn't Europe closing the god damn border? No one else would allow this catastrophe. This has got to cease.

[Alvecia]

Err...@OP, your link's broken all of a sudden. Did the article get yanked?

[Gravlen]

With Merkel not explaining her own words any further, it's a bit difficult to know what she means.

Tiny blip of an article, copy pasted in spoiler, for easy perusal..
[spoiler]German officials have been left speechless by Chancellor Angela Merkel's comment that there are "no-go areas" in the country.

The notion there are places in Germany outsiders — including police — can't visit has previously been dismissed by officials.

The thing is, she didn't say "including the police". So did she mean areas where ordinary people are afraid to go, or areas where even the police don't dare go? In context of the interview, it seems more like the former, but it's unclear.

Das heißt, dass es zum Beispiel keine No-Go-Areas gibt. Dass es keine Räume geben kann, wo sich niemand hin traut. Und solche Räume gibt es und das muss man dann auch beim Namen nennen und man muss etwas dagegen tun. Und ich finde, dass Thomas de Maizière das als Innenminister sehr, sehr gut gemacht hat. Wir haben aber jetzt auch gesagt, wir wollen ein Muster-Polizeigesetz. Wir können nicht zusehen, dass in verschiedenen Bundesländern unterschiedliche Sicherheitsstandards sind und das muss möglichst vereinheitlicht werden.

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/7847/3877548

So...for all those that said claims of violence by refugees was fear mongering and an attempt to spread racism, I guess it wasn't as far fetched as it seemed.

The only one mentioning refugees or linking them to violence... is you.

[Alvecia]

Anyone who denies no go zones or claims the crime rate isn't going up in places with refugees flooding in is delusional and out of touch with reality. These refugees aren't even Syrians and most are young men between 17 and 25 years old. Why isn't Europe closing the god damn border? No one else would allow this catastrophe. This has got to cease.

If we're defining no-go zones as "areas where nobody dares to go" then they've been around for far longer than the refugee crisis.

[Otira]

In a thread about no-go zones in Germany you have to be utterly unfamiliar with the crime situation to say "for no reason".

You brought up just rape, not other crimes, and just rape in general, not in "no-go zones".

You're discussing Muslim rape in general, not Muslim crime in no-go zones, which would more to the thread's aim.

It would be rape in particular, and not in general, and... yes? It's a particularly egregious example of why the no-go zones began to arise in the first place. I've also pointed out transphobic attacks by some of the migrants.
So there is both a reason and another type of crime I've mentioned, you have for some reason simply chosen to mindlessly call me Islamophobic and focus on my observation on the rape epidemic.

Do you want to discuss the transphobic crime?

[Puldania]

I mean, the rape epidemic doesnt apply to countries who have been continuously expanding the legal definition of rape.

[Liriena]

I guess Merkel really wants to get some of that sweet, sweet AfD vote the next time?

Asked to name the areas, Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters Wednesday that “the chancellor’s words speak for themselves.”

Interior Ministry spokesman Johannes Dimroth likewise declined to identify no-go areas

Now that's useful.

"Hey, we lowkey wanna confirm this far right talking point... but we're not giving y'all any information you can, in fact, corroborate."

[Rojava Free State]

Anyone who denies no go zones or claims the crime rate isn't going up in places with refugees flooding in is delusional and out of touch with reality. These refugees aren't even Syrians and most are young men between 17 and 25 years old. Why isn't Europe closing the god damn border? No one else would allow this catastrophe. This has got to cease.

If we're defining no-go zones as "areas where nobody dares to go" then they've been around for far longer than the refugee crisis.

And guess who makes up a large portion of the population in those areas. Immigrants who will not assimilate into Europe. Don't kid yourself, Europe right now is having major issues with the descendants of its middle eastern and african immigrants.

[Gravlen]

If we’re adhering sctrivly to the linked article then OP is the only one that mentions refugees from what I can see.

I want to believe your stance, but how much of a mass sexual assault issue did Germany have before the migrant crisis?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/

I'm sorry, but your attitude is extremely toxic towards the victims. Acting disingenuous towards the cause of increased sexual attacks on women in Germany will not solve them, you only enable the rapists.

Is There Truth To Refugee Rape Reports?

[Otira]

I guess Merkel really wants to get some of that sweet, sweet AfD vote the next time?

Asked to name the areas, Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters Wednesday that “the chancellor’s words speak for themselves.”

Interior Ministry spokesman Johannes Dimroth likewise declined to identify no-go areas

Now that's useful.

"Hey, we lowkey wanna confirm this far right talking point... but we're not giving y'all any information you can, in fact, corroborate."

Is it a far right talking point? The police have been talking about them for a while and they're not far right.

[Alvecia]

If we're defining no-go zones as "areas where nobody dares to go" then they've been around for far longer than the refugee crisis.

And guess who makes up a large portion of the population in those areas. Immigrants who will not assimilate into Europe. Don't kid yourself, Europe right now is having major issues with the descendants of its middle eastern and african immigrants.

That's an extraordinary claim for having so little evidence

[The South Falls]

Trying to avoid Germans and immigrants mingling sounds like Nick Griffin shit. Never knew Merkel could stoop this low...

Merkelreich may have new connotations...

The Fourth Reich... WOW! *becomes woke*

[Republic of the Cristo]

What else could it be? The neo-Nazis? Maybe the monarchists?

Uh, literally anyone. This may come as a surprise to you, but Germans can and do commit crimes.

Though there can be no go zones anywhere from any group of people, these areas are generally thought of as more immigrant and refugee areas. If a definitive survey were to be taken then the matter could be better understood.

[Ifreann]

With Merkel not explaining her own words any further, it's a bit difficult to know what she means.

Tiny blip of an article, copy pasted in spoiler, for easy perusal..
[spoiler]German officials have been left speechless by Chancellor Angela Merkel's comment that there are "no-go areas" in the country.

The notion there are places in Germany outsiders — including police — can't visit has previously been dismissed by officials.

The thing is, she didn't say "including the police". So did she mean areas where ordinary people are afraid to go, or areas where even the police don't dare go? In context of the interview, it seems more like the former, but it's unclear.

Das heißt, dass es zum Beispiel keine No-Go-Areas gibt. Dass es keine Räume geben kann, wo sich niemand hin traut. Und solche Räume gibt es und das muss man dann auch beim Namen nennen und man muss etwas dagegen tun. Und ich finde, dass Thomas de Maizière das als Innenminister sehr, sehr gut gemacht hat. Wir haben aber jetzt auch gesagt, wir wollen ein Muster-Polizeigesetz. Wir können nicht zusehen, dass in verschiedenen Bundesländern unterschiedliche Sicherheitsstandards sind und das muss möglichst vereinheitlicht werden.

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/7847/3877548

They actually call them "No-Go-Areas" auf Deutsch? That's weird. I feel like there are thing we can infer here.

[Gravlen]

It's a trivially true thing.
It's true of any nation, and this might be just them calming down from hysterical denials that any such thing exists. (Which, if you needed further evidence that criticism of Islam is met with outright denial of reality, is good evidence.)

Ofcourse there will be areas, of particular sizes, where people are afraid to go because of violent or abusive nutters.

She didn't say shit like "You can't go in Berlin it's a total write off."

Just acknowledged that there is such a thing as no go areas, thereby addressing the concerns of the public. There are streets, houses etc, where people don't go because of the people living there being a problem.

That this was ever denied is astounding, and like I said, pretty good evidence of the level of denial going on.

The scale and extent of these areas need not be city wide. Patches of no go areas can exist, because, you know, sometimes, people are scary and other people don't want to have to deal with them.

When such areas are prevalent and seem to surround you, you can be forgiven for saying shit like "Berlin is a no go area." because you're living in fear and to you it must seem absolutely pervasive.
But this was lost on the kneejerk Islamophiles, who decided to hurl abuse and denials at people expressing concerns rather than think;
"Why would a person think that? They must be in a hell of a situation."

"My town is full of rapists." -> Absolute media shitfit denying there's any rapists.
-> Later emerges person was living on a street with three people who raped them.
-> No admission of wrongdoing.

Admitting there's such a thing as people who are scary should not be news. Unfortunately, it is.

Yes, every Nation has dark, dangerous, shadowy areas that everyday citizens are afraid to go to.
This is true. But this refers to areas police refuse to go to, for fear of the danger they will face.

That's an interpretation you've made, and not her direct words, however.

[Liriena]

I guess Merkel really wants to get some of that sweet, sweet AfD vote the next time?

Asked to name the areas, Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters Wednesday that “the chancellor’s words speak for themselves.”

Interior Ministry spokesman Johannes Dimroth likewise declined to identify no-go areas

Now that's useful.

"Hey, we lowkey wanna confirm this far right talking point... but we're not giving y'all any information you can, in fact, corroborate."

Is it a far right talking point? The police have been talking about them for a while and they're not far right.

Since when does being in law enforcement preclude you from being far right?

Joe Arpaio is basically a nazi, and he was a sheriff.

[Liriena]

I guess Merkel really wants to get some of that sweet, sweet AfD vote the next time?

Asked to name the areas, Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters Wednesday that “the chancellor’s words speak for themselves.”

Interior Ministry spokesman Johannes Dimroth likewise declined to identify no-go areas

Now that's useful.

"Hey, we lowkey wanna confirm this far right talking point... but we're not giving y'all any information you can, in fact, corroborate."

Is it a far right talking point? The police have been talking about them for a while and they're not far right.

Since when does being in law enforcement preclude you from being far right?

Joe Arpaio is basically a nazi, and he was a sheriff.

[Blasted Craigs]

And the virtue signaling starts.
The only reason to discuss this issue is because I must be racist, right?
This, right here, is why I tried my best to keep religion out of it. I specifically said it is about how the government officials refused to admit to the crimes because of fear they would be labeled racist or Islamophobic. And now, the highest German public official, Merkel, admitted these zones exist.
But....really? What else do no go zones refer to? Areas that German Neo Nazis have taken over, preparing for a new Reich? Pro American 2nd amendment forces making a new homeland? Russian mobsters taking over Saints row style? (Everything bad is Russians)
But yes, in an attempt to make this about the public officials and their reaction to this issue, and not about Islam, I must be racist.
Nope, I reject that narrative, and reject that label. No agenda here. Just a discussion about German officials and their failures to defend their own constituents.

Yeah, it definitely looks like you're projecting your own distaste for refugees onto this. You seriously think refugees are the only people who commit crimes in Germany?

Nope, but, like any other creed of people, they aren't all perfect either. There are members of this creed that are violent, and pretending they aren't is a falsehood.
Like any other group of people, the truth is in shades of grey. Some bad, some good. Honestly, anytime someone calls out another for their actions, if the person you call out is non white, you automatically get either outright called -ist of some kind or it is insinuated. But hey, do you feel good with the virtue signaling insinuating I "must have a dislike of refugees?"
Actually, I think the current system is unfair. What about all those left behind? Are they not people too? Why not...let's suppose, we...
Try to fix the problems in the refugees countries of origin, and make the quality of life better for all? Is that a novel idea? Or am I racist for thinking that?

Hate to break it to ya, but honestly, I see people as individuals. And individuals...Ghasp....are varied. Some bad, some good. And so, yes, there are some refugees who are scum. And some who are good people. Unfortunately, humanity has more scum overall than good people, which is why we have things like governments, police, etc. Police are a tool for making the scum of humanity, which there are more of, follow the rules. And when you don't use this tool to keep scum in line, then the scum start becoming violent. You see, the scum of humanity that is of German descent...aka white...they are not a problem as much, because police are allowed to do their job with this scum of society and make them follow the rules. But with the scum of humanity that are of other than white descent...aka refugee scum....they become violent because forcing them to follow the rules, ie prosecuting them is racist. Again, not all are scum, just like not all of any creed, race or sex is scum. But there are scum in any race, creed, or sex.

Are there good refugees? Of course. Are there bad refugees? Of course.
Are there good whites? Of course. Are there bad whites? Of course.
Admit to these two points, and the truth becomes clear. It's about individual responsibility, and not giving criminals a free pass because they are refugees.

[Blasted Craigs]

Err...@OP, your link's broken all of a sudden. Did the article get yanked?

I went to pull it up, wow...I'll see if I can archive retrieve it....
Alright...an archive of it....weird they pulled it like that.
http://web.archive.org/web/20180309120758/http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/merkel-germany-areas-govt-53416102

[Blasted Craigs]

These are not no-go zones, according to the article. It says "those areas where nobody dares to go", which doesn't even mention the presence (or lack of presence) of refugees in these areas or whether police actually don't go there. Fox News's article doesn't help clarify it at all, and I can't find the original comments -- even if I did, I don't speak German. This does not seem like nearly as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.

From the (Now Archived) article
The notion there are places in Germany outsiders — including police — can't visit has previously been dismissed by officials.

[Gravlen]

These are not no-go zones, according to the article. It says "those areas where nobody dares to go", which doesn't even mention the presence (or lack of presence) of refugees in these areas or whether police actually don't go there. Fox News's article doesn't help clarify it at all, and I can't find the original comments -- even if I did, I don't speak German. This does not seem like nearly as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.

From the (Now Archived) article
The notion there are places in Germany outsiders — including police — can't visit has previously been dismissed by officials.

"Und solche Räume gibt es und das muss man dann auch beim Namen nennen und man muss etwas dagegen tun."

Die Polizei wird nicht erwähnt.

[Caracasus]

The existence of small pockets of towns and cities that are frankly dangerous to enter even for locals is one that kind of predates the refugee "crisis". The common factors in these areas seem to be extreme relative poverty, lack of education and/or means to get a decent education, lack of funding, lack of access to basic amenities and in some cases even decent quality food, lack of transport links and a general feeling of being forgotten about by the outside world. There were, I believe, housing estates over here where the ambulance services would wait for a police escort to some addresses due to violence they'd received previously.

It's not that surprising that many refugees wind up living in these deprived areas. Rent is cheap and short term, low quality tenancies tends to be the norm, not the exception. Refugees tend not to have a great deal of money and usually face language barriers and difficulty in getting qualifications they hold certified by their host country. In some countries, they may even be barred from working while their applications are being considered.

This is more an issue about the growing gap between different social classes, and the development of a new underclass characterized by lack of job and housing security than it is about refugees.